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The Perry Implosion
Townhall ^ | November 10, 2011 | Carol Platt Liebau

Posted on 11/10/2011 11:34:39 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

Covering Rick Perry's devastating inability to recall which third agency of government he'd eliminate, Guy hits it on head in observing that it's so damaging because it crystallizes every negative meme about the Perry candidacy.

But even aside from style and/or political appearance points, the gaffe is profoundly worrisome on substance. Having done live TV, I can sympathize with a glitch. But the kind of stumble Perry made last night seems symptomatic of a candidate who is trying to memorize points for debate prep, rather than an off-moment for someone trying to expound on well-integrated personal knowledge or a deeply-held philosophy.

To put it plainly, a gaffe as prolonged and as painful as Perry's implies a certain disconnect between what he's saying and what he's actually thought about. It suggests that Perry's debate problems aren't just a stylistic problem -- that they indicate a distinct lack of comfort with the underlying substance of the answers. After all, it's not like his point was one that required a deep, exhaustive knowledge of the intricacies of the federal tax code or legislative regulations; if eliminating three agencies is something in which one passionately believes (and if it's Energy, a key theme of his campaign!), it's hard to imagine forgetting one of the agencies.

It's sad. I had high hopes for Perry. But it's evidently not his time. One shudders to think of something like this happening in a late-October 2012 debate with President Obama.


TOPICS: Texas; Campaign News; Issues; Parties
KEYWORDS: 2012; 53seconds; heartless; idiot; perry; rickperry; toast

1 posted on 11/10/2011 11:34:39 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Come on let not go overboard. With millions of dollars and supporters Perry is not done. He had a bad day. So will all the candidates from time to time.

Absurd to think he will quit before even 1 vote is cast.


2 posted on 11/10/2011 11:36:51 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: MNJohnnie

Can he pass that money on to someone else under FEC rules?


3 posted on 11/10/2011 11:39:38 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.~Admiral Yamamoto)
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To: MNJohnnie

This was not one off event. Seems to happen every second debate and given the fact he refused to debate in tx (now we know why) it paints a picture. Not ready for prime time, would be utterly crushed by teleprompter or cbs “news’ staff.

He could not avoid debates or interviews like in texas.

Anyway, given he is pro-amnesty, not a loss. Newt is similarly pro-illegal, but at least he would win debates and argue for our side.


4 posted on 11/10/2011 11:43:42 AM PST by heiss (heartless)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Cain needs to send Perry a thank you note. Not a peep about Cain anywhere on the news today. It is ALL PERRY.....well and Penn State.


5 posted on 11/10/2011 11:43:49 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Cain got it right. You just have to remember just one thing to answer all questions 999.


6 posted on 11/10/2011 11:45:52 AM PST by ex-snook ("above all things, truth beareth away the victory")
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To: MNJohnnie

With millions of dollars and supporters Perry is not done.

millions of dollars yes.....millions of supporters? I have my doubts. You can’t be a 4 percenter and have millions of supporters. He might have 30,000 supporters at most. Plus the money situation has to be getting tight. 12 million on a campaign goes FAST.


7 posted on 11/10/2011 11:46:02 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What a joke Perry is. What’s worse is that the best the Republicans can seem to come up with is a columnist/radio host with an otherwise impressive technical background.


8 posted on 11/10/2011 11:47:45 AM PST by bkepley
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Well, maybe. Grants made by the Department of Education to Texas institutions of higher education certainly allow them to keep In State tuition rates as low as possible.

What that means is Perry is probably much more adroit in this particular question than the doufous' at Townhall gives him credit ~ and that's for not digging in a little deeper to see exactly what it is about the Department of Education that could leave Perry NOT agreeing with the rest of us.

He knows what's going to happen to that instate tuition when the DOE subsidies are cut off, and they're not small at all ~ $78 billion a year in grants of all sorts. If Texas gets its proportionate share that's about $6.5 billion per annum and them ain't peanut clusters on a jellyroll!

Oh, yeah, and then there are those illegal aliens getting that heavily subsidized instate tuition ~ they will have to do some heavy lifting in a future without DOE. There goes Perry's next Texas gubernatorial election.

9 posted on 11/10/2011 11:48:30 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: MNJohnnie
I just saw Perry interviewed on FOX. I have to say, he did quite good at explaining his position. He is very good in interviews like the one I just saw. When Megan asked him about what he feels about the gaffe last night, he pointed out that if the public is looking to elect a “Debater in Chief” that they should not vote for him. He also pointed out that the President is a great debater, but what good has that done for the country?

He used that to go on with some of his great ideas for the economy and the security of the USA. And he also reiterated that he is not at all for open borders and that they need to be strongly and meaningfully secured.

It's time to give the man a fair shake and listen to what he is actually trying to say. He is only human like all of us and is the first to humbly admit it. I can deal with that in a candidate who does not try to deny or make excuses. It says a lot about him.

10 posted on 11/10/2011 11:49:37 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It was one of the most embarrassing things I have ever seen from a candidate.

If the allegations dodge Cain into dropping out, I will obviously have to find another person. It was going to reluctantly be Perry.

No more. This was awful.

Just hope Cain keeps it going because otherwise I only have Newt.


11 posted on 11/10/2011 11:51:30 AM PST by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: napscoordinator; 2ndDivisionVet
Gov Perry raised $17 Million in 49 days.

Daily Beast Writer: Perry Gaffe 'Human Equivalent of Shuttle Challenger' "Mark McKinnon, a regular contributor to the liberal Daily Beast website, which owns Newsweek magazine, made a morbid gaffe as he commented on Texas Governor Rick Perry's stumble during the November 9 Republican presidential debate on CNBC. The New York Times on Wednesday quoted McKinnon labeling Perry's brain freeze as the "human equivalent of shuttle Challenger."

Times writers Jeff Zeleny and Ashley Parker cited the Democrat, who once served as an aide to former President George W. Bush, as an example of how "Republican operatives almost uniformly declared it [Perry's gaffe] as a sign of great trouble for his candidacy."

McKinnon, who co-founded the so-called No Labels organization with fellow pseudo-Republican John Avlon, has actually made a name for himself in recent years as a critic of the conservatives that the liberal media love to hate. When he worked on John McCain's presidential campaign in 2008, the "Republican consultant" lectured Rush Limbaugh for daring to speak out against his candidate. In October 2009, McKinnon bashed conservative talk show host Mark Levin on MSNBC for his supposed "jaw-dropping hate language" against President Obama (Levin replied in kind by comparing the former Bush aide to a Sham-Wow salesman)."....

12 posted on 11/10/2011 11:51:35 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
the gaffe is profoundly worrisome on substance... symptomatic of a candidate who is trying to memorize points for debate prep, rather than an off-moment for someone trying to expound on well-integrated personal knowledge or a deeply-held philosophy... implies a certain disconnect between what he's saying and what he's actually thought about

Well written. That's precisely why Perry's screw-up bothers me. I thought "throttle the EPA" was one of Perry's core principles.

13 posted on 11/10/2011 11:52:24 AM PST by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Texas Media, KLBJ AM - Austin, this morning was still giving Rick the “hall pass” that they have done for the last 12 years.


14 posted on 11/10/2011 11:54:59 AM PST by hadaclueonce ("Endeavor to persevere.")
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

It would be nice for our side to actually have a competent debater for once, however.


15 posted on 11/10/2011 11:55:07 AM PST by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
If you listen to his detractors -— and he has many -— Perry has been imploding since the get-go.

Truth is, this is a weak field of candidates.

Romney is a phony and fraud. Ronpaul is a kook. Newt has more baggage then a Samsonite convention. After a severe meltdown Bachmann can't get any traction. Cain is a neophyte and a masher. Santorum and Huntsman are still looking for their mojo. Good luck, GOP!

16 posted on 11/10/2011 11:55:38 AM PST by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Why can't Perry get one of his deadbeat advisors to sit in the front row and hold up cue cards?

Problem SOLVED!

17 posted on 11/10/2011 11:58:30 AM PST by CainConservative
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; South40; Condor51; stephenjohnbanker; org.whodat; BillyBoy; miss marmelstein; ...

Perry’s debate gaffe was a disaster b/c it reinforced his lameness when he needed to show he was better than his previous debate debacles.

He could have handled the gaffe better onstage-—instead all he came up with was “oops.”

His second act-—behaving as if it never happened-—is another indication of his vacuousness......and his fixation on his “moral superiority” over the rest of us peons.

He can well afford to stay in the race——he’s got PACs worth millions-——and b/c his Mexican and Islamic pals are financing him-—and are hellbent on getting him elected.


18 posted on 11/10/2011 11:59:39 AM PST by Liz
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To: Liz

Perry won’t bow out gracefully when the time comes and the money runs out. He has never lost and Anita won’t be denied her fantasy. He and his spin posse will be mumbling to themselves about how great and wonderful a conservative Perry is long after the primaries close.


19 posted on 11/10/2011 12:09:25 PM PST by TADSLOS (Rick needs to actually read and memorize his own book that he didn't write.)
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To: Reagan Man

Cain is a “masher” you say? Based on what proof?


20 posted on 11/10/2011 12:10:51 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.~Admiral Yamamoto)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

LOL


21 posted on 11/10/2011 12:12:07 PM PST by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: Reagan Man

That’s pretty much the answer I expected: “It’s not the proof, it’s the seriousness of the allegations” right Gloria?


22 posted on 11/10/2011 12:15:42 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.~Admiral Yamamoto)
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To: Reagan Man

At least the “neophyte and masher” has the black walnut mojo.


23 posted on 11/10/2011 12:18:57 PM PST by ReveBM
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I don't really care what you expected! LOL Unlike some folks, I'm being kind to Cain. There are 4 accusers, so far. Can't reject those facts. Does that mean Cain is gulity of sexual harassment? Can't say at this point. But this is a sexual scandal that involves Cain and I don't think we've heard the last of it either. If you want to cover for Cain, that is your right.
24 posted on 11/10/2011 12:23:08 PM PST by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: TADSLOS

True-——all true.

Perry’s using what he knows best——his Texas election MO. Too bad it doesn’t work on dry land-——outside the Rio Grande.


25 posted on 11/10/2011 12:25:05 PM PST by Liz
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Thank God Obama never lost his place... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxBX8sz3tO8


26 posted on 11/10/2011 12:29:11 PM PST by Breto (never accept the premise)
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To: Reagan Man

But you pray it’s ALL true? Right? Because if it’s not, your guy is toast.


27 posted on 11/10/2011 12:30:52 PM PST by CainConservative
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

He may have been forgetful, but I’d wager he knows the correct number of states, yet one Baraq Hussein 0bama is touted as the “smartest person ever to occupy the office”[puke!]


28 posted on 11/10/2011 12:32:02 PM PST by The Sons of Liberty (Psalm 109:8 Let his days be few and let another take his office. - Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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To: CainConservative

Its not up to me how this turns out, newbie. Its all up to Cain and how he handles it from here on out. Btw, if you look at #16 you’ll see that I think this field of GOP candidates is weak. Although Perry remains my #1 choice. This 2012 group of wannabees is on par with the 2008 cast of characters. No better, no worse. Aside from Dubya’s run on the damning heels of Clinton/Gore, the GOP hasn’t come up with a good conservative nominee since Reagan and that was 30+ years ago. This year will be no different.


29 posted on 11/10/2011 12:46:48 PM PST by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: CainConservative

Even “Larry Cable Guy” writes his joke clues on his hand.

Guess Rick did not get that memo.

That is funny, I don’t care who you are.


30 posted on 11/10/2011 3:20:52 PM PST by hadaclueonce ("Endeavor to persevere.")
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
And he also reiterated that he is not at all for open borders and that they need to be strongly and meaningfully secured.

So... he's taking Romney flip-flop lessons?

31 posted on 11/10/2011 5:05:07 PM PST by Ingtar
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To: Liz; 2ndDivisionVet; South40; Condor51; org.whodat; BillyBoy; miss marmelstein

” He can well afford to stay in the race——he’s got PACs worth millions-——and b/c his Mexican and Islamic pals are financing him-—and are hellbent on getting him elected.”

YEP


32 posted on 11/12/2011 5:21:20 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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