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Obama: The conservative in 2012 (He's serious!)
The Washington Post ^ | December 25, 2011 | E.J. Dionne, Jr.

Posted on 12/25/2011 8:16:01 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

At a moment when the nation wonders whether politicians can agree on anything, here is something that unites the Republican presidential candidates — and all of them with President Obama: Everyone agrees that the 2012 election will be a turning point involving one of the most momentous choices in U.S. history.

True, candidates (and columnists) regularly cast an impending election as the most important ever. Campaigning last week in Pella, Iowa, Republican Rick Santorum acknowledged as much. But he insisted that this time, the choice really was that fundamental. “The debate,” he said, “is about who we are.”

Speaking not far away, in Mount Pleasant, Newt Gingrich went even further, and was more specific. “This is the most important election since 1860,” he said, “because there’s such a dramatic difference between the best food-stamp president in history and the best paycheck candidate.” Thus did Gingrich combine historic sweep with a cheap and inaccurate attack. Nonetheless, it says a great deal that Gingrich chose to reach all the way back to the election that helped spark the Civil War.

Mitt Romney was on the same page in a speech in Bedford, N.H. “This is an election not to replace a president but to save a vision of America,” he declared. “It’s a choice between two destinies.” Sounding just like Santorum, he urged voters to ask: “Who are we as Americans, and what kind of America do we want for our children?”

Obama could not agree more...

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Campaign News; Issues; Parties; U.S. Congress
KEYWORDS: gingrich; obama; romney; santorum
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1 posted on 12/25/2011 8:16:12 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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2 posted on 12/25/2011 8:19:33 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Last week I heard someone on NPR (it might have been Dionne) gushingly say that one of the top stories of the year was Obama's emergence as an international warrior president. His takedown of Osama bin Laden was epic. Bush tried, but Bush couldn't do it. Obama? He made the hard decision, made the plan, executed the plan, got the job done. Talk about machismo on the international stage! Whoooooo!

The commentator definitely needed a cigarette after that tremendous release of pent-up emotion.

3 posted on 12/25/2011 8:21:01 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (Nothing will change until after the war. It's coming.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"Speaking not far away, in Mount Pleasant, Newt Gingrich went even further, and was more specific. “This is the most important election since 1860,” he said, “because there’s such a dramatic difference between the best food-stamp president in history and the best paycheck candidate.”"

Sounds GREAT to me!

Newt/Marco '12

4 posted on 12/25/2011 8:21:30 PM PST by CainConservative (Merry CHRISTmas and a Happy Newt Year!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Well.. he did force the republicans to pass his tax cut....

/s


5 posted on 12/25/2011 8:24:08 PM PST by cableguymn
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To: ClearCase_guy

He made the hard decision, made the plan, executed the plan, got the job done.

The way I understand it went down, he cancelled the take down a couple of times and had to be dragged in from a golf outing for the photo op of a disinterested POTUS as the event occurred.


6 posted on 12/25/2011 8:26:08 PM PST by OrioleFan
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To: OrioleFan

Hey, that’s not how the NYT tells the story ...


7 posted on 12/25/2011 8:31:17 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (Nothing will change until after the war. It's coming.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The TOTUS may well be more conservative than Mittens.


8 posted on 12/25/2011 8:39:55 PM PST by cicero2k
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Sure, if you mean Obama wants to “conserve” hugely jacked-up wasteful government welfare spending on union goons and the lifelong-government-tit-suckers. Call me a crazy “liberal” (of the classical, Lockean type) who wants to liberate humanity from this slavery.


9 posted on 12/25/2011 8:41:46 PM PST by pogo101
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yeth, I am the twu conservative


10 posted on 12/25/2011 8:43:40 PM PST by Baynative (The penalty for not participating in politics is you will be governed by your inferiors.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Obama's servile, complaisant undistinguished media (SCUM)?

I wanted an insulting acronym. I had no idea that it would actually describe the MSM. But not necessarily Mr. Dionne. He expresses his feeeeeeeeeeeeelings and does not present them as objective news like the Obama SCUM do.

So to be fair, Mr. Dionne merely types in his opinions. To wit, that the Republicans all lie about his PRESIDENT! Obama (mmmm, mmmm, mmm) and "Obama will thus be the conservative in 2012, in the truest sense of that word. He is the candidate defending the modestly redistributive and regulatory government the country has relied on since the New Deal." Our savior IOW.

11 posted on 12/25/2011 8:48:45 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

Sadly, many millions of people in this country would agree with Mr. Dionne if they somehow happened upon this screed.


12 posted on 12/25/2011 8:52:59 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.~Admiral Yamamoto)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Obama will thus be the conservative in 2012, in the truest sense of that word. He is the candidate defending the modestly redistributive and regulatory government the country has relied on since the New Deal, and that neither Ronald Reagan nor George W. Bush dismantled. The rhetoric of the 2012 Republicans suggests they want to go far beyond where Reagan or Bush ever went. And here’s the irony: By raising the stakes of 2012 so high, Republicans will be playing into Obama’s hands. The GOP might well win a referendum on the state of the economy. But if this is instead a larger-scale referendum on whether government should be “inconsequential,” Republicans will find the consequences to be very disappointing.

I’m convinced that Rush’s New Castrati was modeled on E.J Dionne. Man, this guy is an idiot. The fact is, at this point, the GOP seems to be headed towards nominating Romney, a fairly moderate Republican, who isn't nearly as ambitious in his goals as the author attempts to impute to the GOP. But then again, Mr Castrati never had an original thought.

13 posted on 12/25/2011 8:54:16 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Obama: The conservative in 2012 (He's serious!)...the really astounding thing is that half the country is stupid enough to believe him.....
14 posted on 12/25/2011 8:55:41 PM PST by Intolerant in NJ
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To: Intolerant in NJ

Half the country doesn’t pay income taxes. What do they have to lose?


15 posted on 12/25/2011 8:57:20 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.~Admiral Yamamoto)
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To: ClearCase_guy

LOL Osama Bin Laden has been dead for many years due to kidney failure most likely. Obama had nothing to do with the demise of Osama.


16 posted on 12/25/2011 8:57:34 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Victoria Delsoul
But then again, Mr Castrati never had an original thought.

And don't expect any in the future.....

Aloha Victoria! I hope your Christmas was merry and that you'll realize that all these media monkeys seek is attention. Don't stand to close to the cage when viewing them.
17 posted on 12/25/2011 9:05:19 PM PST by BIGLOOK
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; sickoflibs; DoughtyOne; stephenjohnbanker; calcowgirl; BufordP; roamer_1; Impy; ...
Half the country doesn’t pay income taxes. What do they have to lose?

Income taxes are not the only taxes to which people are subjected.

Picking one form of taxation and suggesting (explicitly, as the Democrats do, or implicitly, as the Republicans do) that folks who don't pay that tax (yet are subject to other taxes) are somehow not paying their "fair share" is nothing short of engaging in rhetorical class warfare.

Of course, all of this discussion masks the real problems: one, our system of government has become excessively complex, convoluted, and bureaucratic that it's nearly impossible to determine exactly whether the government machinery is fulfilling its objectives at a minimal (or near minimal) cost; and, two, the average self-interested American taxpayer, seeking to minimize taxes and fees paid while maximizing benefits obtained from the government ("getting the most bang for the buck," is more than willing to elect officials who add debt - lots of debt - to the mix. In short, the complexity of government has created the illusion that a free lunch - or as my economist friends might put it, both guns and butter at the same time - is in fact possible (while in reality, it's not).

18 posted on 12/25/2011 9:13:13 PM PST by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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To: BIGLOOK
Aloha Biglook, long time no see. Merry Christmas to you as well. I had a great time as always. :-)

Nah, I know about liberals, LOL. I never get that close.

Hope you’re having a wonderful time as well.

19 posted on 12/25/2011 9:14:41 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

B.J. Dionne from WaPo-Obama continues to beat the drumbeat that The Won put out at the media summit at the White Hut a few weeks ago.


20 posted on 12/25/2011 9:15:39 PM PST by Old Sarge (RIP FReeper Skyraider (1930-2011) - You Are Missed)
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To: ClearCase_guy

The call to take Bin Laden down was made by Clinton and Panetta. Obama was a disinterested observer.


21 posted on 12/25/2011 9:59:07 PM PST by OrioleFan
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
(He's serious!)

No, he's E.J. Dionne, creating fresh manure for the ComPost.

22 posted on 12/25/2011 10:04:35 PM PST by TChad
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

In a sense, the author is right. Obama is “conservative” in one sense of that word. He wants to keep the system the way it is now, with the same ruling class continuing to rule and expand its writ in the same way it has done since the 1930’s. He is at the heart of the ruling conventional wisdom and wants to conserve the power of the class that imposes that conventional wisdom.

In the sense “conservative” is used on this FR, he is of course the anti-christ. But modern conservatives are actually revolutionaries. They want to end the beast created by progressives since the 30’s. So maybe conservative is the wrong word for us. There’s not much point in trying to conserve something that, for the most part, no longer exists.


23 posted on 12/26/2011 1:26:28 AM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: rabscuttle385; 2ndDivisionVet; sickoflibs; DoughtyOne; calcowgirl; BufordP; roamer_1; Impy

” the average self-interested American taxpayer, seeking to minimize taxes and fees paid while maximizing benefits obtained from the government (”getting the most bang for the buck,” is more than willing to elect officials who add debt - lots of debt - to the mix. In short, the complexity of government has created the illusion that a free lunch - or as my economist friends might put it, both guns and butter at the same time - is in fact possible (while in reality, it’s not). “

“Land of the spree, and home of the knave...”

Groucho Marx


24 posted on 12/26/2011 4:45:58 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker; rabscuttle385; 2ndDivisionVet; DoughtyOne; calcowgirl; BufordP; roamer_1; ...
I noticed a number of years ago that POTUS races are :
1) Popularity contests
2) A contest as to who will/can promise the most free goodies with a straight face

And Obama is definitely experienced at #2 : “You mean I can get Social Security when I retire without paying the taxes for it if I just vote for Obama? And only the rich will have to pay the taxes if he is made King? And my free college at the taxpayers expense is their investment not just me getting welfare?

I came across this last night : The US Economy is Doomed

25 posted on 12/26/2011 5:59:46 AM PST by sickoflibs (You MUST support the lesser of two RINOs or we all die!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Obama is conserving the welfare state, which is issue #1 through 10 with these MSM jokers.


26 posted on 12/26/2011 6:01:20 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: sickoflibs
'the American people have been charlie sheened'...

in a nutshell...

27 posted on 12/26/2011 6:46:07 AM PST by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Obama will thus be the conservative in 2012, in the truest sense of that word.

I knew that it would be a matter of time before the Liberals co-opt the term "conservative". If they cannot take the term they will neutralize the term with confusing and contradictory definitions.

28 posted on 12/26/2011 7:15:37 AM PST by VRW Conspirator (Neo-communist equals Neo-fascist - VRW Conspirator)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Obama should run with this. His new campaign slogan can be something like the following:

“No change. No hope. 4 more years!”


29 posted on 12/26/2011 9:21:18 AM PST by eclecticEel (Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness: 7/4/1776 - 3/21/2010)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Who’s the first quote from?


30 posted on 12/27/2011 3:56:42 AM PST by Impy (Don't call me red.)
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