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Breaking: Michele Bachmann Iowa campaign co-chair endorses Ron Paul
Iowa Caucues | 12/28/2011 | JASON NOBLE

Posted on 12/28/2011 6:18:33 PM PST by TBBT

Breaking: Michele Bachmann Iowa campaign co-chair endorses Ron Paul


TOPICS: Iowa; Campaign News
KEYWORDS: bachmann; iowa2012; iowacaucus; kentsorenson; michelebachmann
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To: PENANCE
I put the paragraph in the wrong place.

It should have read:

The point is this, many great conservatives of far greater cred than you consider Newt an effective

DUDE! THAT is an appeal to authority.

101 posted on 12/28/2011 7:42:28 PM PST by PENANCE
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To: C. Edmund Wright
Let's recap:

Your rant against Newt is the kind of rant that Thomas Sowell makes fun of. That kind of rant would infuriate Reagan

Straw man .... check.(more like "no man", but who's counting)

Appeal to Authority ... check, and check (that's two, I guess I'm counting)

102 posted on 12/28/2011 7:47:27 PM PST by PENANCE
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To: C. Edmund Wright

I’ll use smaller words next time. I promise, nothing over three syllables.


103 posted on 12/28/2011 7:48:20 PM PST by PENANCE
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To: potlatch

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Good point potlatch -

“Says the wrong thing -”

Like constantly beating Rick Perry to death over something few people were - or would - know about - and that certainly would not decide who the winner would be

That one-trick pony stuff is not enough - and she repeats her personal history to compensate for her lack of experience elsewhere

It’s like Michelle Obama’s clothes - Pretty soon it ceases to be convincing - and it becomes either funny or irritating

It’s too late to set records doing Jumping Jacks now - Even if you don’t break the floorboards

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104 posted on 12/28/2011 7:48:38 PM PST by devolve (- - - - - - - - - - - SHIP OF FOOLS - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -)
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To: TBBT

I have been turned off by MB for months now, but no candidate deserves this treatment. The co-chair could have waited till after the caucuses on Tuesday, then stepped down. She won’t be in the race for long thereafter (as I see it), and he’s not showing any trustworthiness or honor IMO.

How is it all these R candidates have the worst people on earth serving their campaigns? Newt’s and Perry’s failed horribly in VA; Newt’s early team left him and went to Perry (at least early in the contest) but seem to have done no better by Perry.


105 posted on 12/28/2011 7:49:07 PM PST by EDINVA
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To: C. Edmund Wright
Therefore your shallow sound bytes and talking points are meaningless. .

Again (and I swear I do not say it often), DUDE!

What the heck "sound bytes" or "talking points" are you talking about?

Really?

Can you copy and paste one of these "sound bytes" or "talking points"? Who's comments are you reading when you respond to mine?

106 posted on 12/28/2011 7:53:05 PM PST by PENANCE
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To: potlatch

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Ed Rollins fame comes from his loose mouth in New Jersey when he worked for Whitman -

I cannot imagine why anyone would even consider hiring a jerk like Rollins

They love him at MSNBC

Relax - Pretend you are in a $10,000 a day hotel in some exotic tropical locale - sipping on a cool adult beverage

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107 posted on 12/28/2011 7:58:54 PM PST by devolve (- - - - - - - - - - - SHIP OF FOOLS - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -)
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To: EDINVA
How is it all these R candidates have the worst people on earth serving their campaigns? Newt’s and Perry’s failed horribly in VA; Newt’s early team left him and went to Perry (at least early in the contest) but seem to have done no better by Perry.

$700 million laundered through Solyndra (among others)buys a lot of chaos.

108 posted on 12/28/2011 7:59:13 PM PST by ez (When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail.)
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To: devolve

Yes, she beat on Perry over a Gardasil story a woman supposedly told her. I think she takes ‘snippets’ of information and inflates them. But she is sharp as a tack with her quick replies.

Hope you saw my correction. You brought up Rollins and I then confused him with the other, lol.


109 posted on 12/28/2011 8:00:20 PM PST by potlatch (*snip*~ Having the right to be angry does not give one the right to be cruel. ~*snip*)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
And I'm not appealing to you, I am appealing to those perusing the debate and using you as a mere foil

What language do you speak?

Me speekum english.

There are several (keeping words small) "things".

These "things" are called "logical fallacies".

There are many of these "things". Each of them has a "name".

The "name" of one of them is: "Appeal to Authority"

Another is called "Appeal to Popularity"

There are others, with other "names".

I even provided a "LINK" to a fairly good list of these "things" and their "names".

When I used the word "Appeal" it was as part of the "NAME" of a "THING" sometimes known as a "logical fallacy".

Just so we're clear: I was NOT hitting on you.

(I say this because I don't know what your interpretation of the phrase "appealing to you" is)

110 posted on 12/28/2011 8:03:19 PM PST by PENANCE
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Pretty much nailed it right there.

This whole thing was in Michelle’s hands. She won the straw poll, then bombed by the second debate by going all Molly Hatchet on everyone.


111 posted on 12/28/2011 8:05:01 PM PST by Free Vulcan (Election 2012 - No Prisoners. No Mercy.)
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To: devolve

Truthfully, I am not very familiar with Ed Rollins and wouldn’t recognize him. I don’t watch MSNBC either. Lol, this will bother you but I don’t care what Michelle wears either. When Jackie was FLOTUS I admired what she wore.


112 posted on 12/28/2011 8:08:01 PM PST by potlatch (*snip*~ Having the right to be angry does not give one the right to be cruel. ~*snip*)
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To: CainConservative
Why are you helping Willard? Come clean.

WHAT!?

113 posted on 12/28/2011 8:09:47 PM PST by PENANCE
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To: potlatch

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We must admire how Neut has now kept his word about not attacking other candidates like Bachmann has done - he only is-is “correcting the record” - for “history”

The time zone is getting to me -

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114 posted on 12/28/2011 8:11:36 PM PST by devolve (- - - - - - - - - - - SHIP OF FOOLS - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
OK, Bachman has disappointed in the debates, and in her "Iron Lady" self comparison; but today's reports point way more to a Paul maneuver to discredit any others who might pull in social conservative votes.

Defections, Clerical calls for both Bachman and Santorum to simply quit their efforts (!), and a looming caucus (Paul's forte) all smell of manipulation...conspiracy may not be apt, but manipulation fits inside the lines.

Reducing or discrediting the other social conservative hopefuls leaves only crazy ol' Ron to sop up that constituency..whatever you call it.

115 posted on 12/28/2011 8:11:51 PM PST by norton
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To: PENANCE

Well, because nobody but you is going to vote for him, of course.

What’s that? ... Why isn’t anyone going to vote for Newt?

Why, because he can’t win, Silly!


Kind of like the “Nobody goes there anymore because it’s too crowded” argument. Funny.


116 posted on 12/28/2011 8:13:07 PM PST by Mears (Alcohol. Tobacco. Firearms. What's not to like?)
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To: devolve

Yeah, I saw headlines on Drudge about Newt today......
My computer is so slow here but I’ve replied to 3 email while posting, lol.

Saw Perry on Fox News earlier too, and then Bachmann.


117 posted on 12/28/2011 8:17:08 PM PST by potlatch (*snip*~ Having the right to be angry does not give one the right to be cruel. ~*snip*)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

I’m just suggesting that if Newt does pooryly in IA and NH, you’ll see it in SC and FL.

If he finishes say 2nd or 3rd in IA and NH, he’ll be ok. But if he finishes 4th or 5th in IA, then 4th or 5th in NH, his poll #s in SC and FL today won’t mean anything by the time they vote.

SC doesn’t vote for another 24 days, FL for another 34. That’s a very long time.


118 posted on 12/28/2011 8:19:33 PM PST by jeltz25
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To: potlatch

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Neut is using up all his “Flip-Flop” criticisms of others

For a “historian” he seems to have neglected his own “paper trail”

He wants to claim universal credit for all kinds of things (Magna Carta, Old Testament, War and Peace, McDonalds’s new menu, etc.) - but he attempts to deflect and any criticism of himself by saying “I only edited it with my co-author....” or “It was something brought up by the Heritage Foundation at a forum....”

“Less is More” is not in Neut’s realm of thought - or thoughtlessness...

Sometimes the 3rd time is not a really charm -

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119 posted on 12/28/2011 8:31:15 PM PST by devolve (- - - - - - - - - - - SHIP OF FOOLS - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -)
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To: TBBT

First, anyone who thinks Michele is in this as a shill for Mitt is a moron.

Second, to say that a State Campaign Manager betraying her and a Campaign PAC betraying her is somehow HER fault and makes her somehow less worthy of support — is a moron.

Michele Bachmann isn’t perfect — NONE of the candidates are. But of them ALL, she and Rick Santorum are the ONLY TWO that come close to the ideals that most FReepers claim to hold to as “Conservatives.”

The MORE LIKELY reality is that there was something IN IT for this guy to betray Michele. I have an idea who’s behind it — and it ain’t Ron Paul. And ain’t it strange Mittens picks up this PAC’s support about the same time — and they won’t answer the phone to explain themselves? COINCIDENCE?! I think not.

Someone else said, “You really don’t get it, do you?” I get it. The Republican Establishment DOES NOT want a Conservative to win the Nomination. There are only TWO real Conservatives in the race. Michele will be forced out first — then Rick Santorum. Ron Paul cannot win the Republican nomination. The others can be either dealt with or controlled to varying degrees. But along the way, they have set traps (Virginia, anyone?) to cut down the field to JUST ONE inevitable, acceptable, ESTABLISHMENT Candidate.

There are variables, and it’s not the “perfect” plan for the establishment — but, they’ve given themselves the BEST shot at their man getting the nod. And if a totally unacceptable candidate DID somehow slip through — well, they would just sabotage him/her and give the White House to Obama for 4 more years. Hey — they’re ESTABLISHMENT, right? And they’ll still have Congress.... Oh well...

I GET IT, ALRIGHT. Does anyone else?


120 posted on 12/28/2011 8:32:36 PM PST by patriot preacher
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To: mamelukesabre; C. Edmund Wright
that’s a nice story but it doesn’t help TBBT’s loony conspiracy theory any.

Honestly, at this point, I think Michelle cares only about herself and her career. She'll drag down others to her level if she thinks it will help her, and she'll support others if she thinks it will help. I've lost a lot of respect for her this year. And I think she's got some incompetent people around her.

She also seems to be too single-minded, as if she rehearses and rehearses for these attacks and then has to make them, to the point of riding them into the ground or coming away looking ridiculous - the "6 6 6" crap is probably the best example, but there are others. It's almost like somebody gave her an attack to memorize and she's eager to make them happy and she doesn't stop and think about what she's doing.

I mentioned the incompetent thing - focusing on spurious claims of retardation with the Gardasil vaccine and completely missing out on the Mike Toomey-Rick Perry connection which is a much bigger story, but there is a bigger sign of incompetence run amok in her campaign, and that is she's burned bridges with the supporters of other candidates.

Herman Cain and Rick Perry supporters are not going to flock to her. Gingrich supporters are not going to flock to her. Those are folks that she should be worried about attracting, but instead she's turning them off to her.
121 posted on 12/28/2011 8:33:33 PM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: devolve

Headlines on Drudge;

ROMNEY ON RISE...
IA POLL: Romney 25% Paul 22% Santorum 16% Gingrich 14%...
Gingrich cuts late bus tour in half...
Blames campaign worker’s ‘fraud’ for missing VA ballot...
Trades Chocolate-Covered Jabs...
COULTER: WHY IT’S ROMNEY...

Coulter has lost all credibility as a conservative lately.
But Romney can never get above 25%, he hits a ceiling leaving the other 75% among the others [too many others].


122 posted on 12/28/2011 8:39:45 PM PST by potlatch (*snip*~ Having the right to be angry does not give one the right to be cruel. ~*snip*)
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To: af_vet_rr

ok

But that doesn’t have anything to do with TBBT’s loony conspiracy theory.


123 posted on 12/28/2011 8:39:50 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: potlatch

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“Blames campaign worker’s ‘fraud’ for missing VA ballot...”

What did I just say?

“I invented the IPhone!”

But:

It is always someone else’s fault if things go wrong!

Like:

“It’s Bush’s fault!”

“I inherited this mess!”

Has the doughboy ever had some of Dr. Jackson’s skin-lightening treatments?

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124 posted on 12/28/2011 8:55:48 PM PST by devolve (- - - - - - - - - - - SCHLEP OF TOOLS - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -)
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To: Lancey Howard

Maybe in some twisted way Cain was a Romney plant because he came in as Bachmann was catching fire and took the votes away. Then he thanked on his own and left.


125 posted on 12/28/2011 8:58:23 PM PST by Mozilla
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To: devolve

Lol, time to ease off the Newt talk methinks.
Hard to believe but there is a Herman Cain thread going on!


126 posted on 12/28/2011 9:02:10 PM PST by potlatch (*snip*~ Having the right to be angry does not give one the right to be cruel. ~*snip*)
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To: patriot preacher

It’s easy to be a ‘pure’ candidate, when you will have no responsibility in implementing your promises. I see it all the time in elections. Weak candidates will use their pure platforms to club stronger candidates, in the hopes of gaining attention and newspaper headlines.

The stronger candidates, because they may have the responsibility of actually having to keep their promises tend to be less ‘pure’ for that reason.


127 posted on 12/28/2011 9:05:05 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: potlatch

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Would you include a (former) candidate’s name as part of your screenname?

I have noticied that many sleepers tend to include “CONSERVATIVE” (or mucho conservative) in their screennames too

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128 posted on 12/28/2011 9:11:49 PM PST by devolve (- - - - - - - - - - - SCHLEP OF TOOLS - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -)
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To: devolve

No, I wouldn’t use a candidate’s name because they don’t last forever, lol. Just imagine if you had used McCain and then had to live with it!!

But I like ‘words’ better than numbers and letters and you see that some places. Very boring and nothing stands out.


129 posted on 12/28/2011 9:16:23 PM PST by potlatch (*snip*~ Having the right to be angry does not give one the right to be cruel. ~*snip*)
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To: mamelukesabre

Well I will say that she’s helping Romney. That’s not a conspiracy either - she’s focused too much effort on tearing down the non-Romney candidates.


130 posted on 12/28/2011 9:18:25 PM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: itsahoot

Supporting Paul under any circumstance is a moronic move.
I understand your thought but the man gags me.


131 posted on 12/28/2011 10:09:29 PM PST by svcw (God's Grace - thank you)
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To: TBBT

Color her gone.


132 posted on 12/29/2011 3:19:16 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: patriot preacher; All

Yes, I do. I agree with all that you said.

That’s why I will not vote for Mittens or Newt.

Republican party loyalists in all 50 states are morons who don’t understand that the Republican party selling out is just as much a reason for Americas’ rapidly approaching demise as the Democrat party machine.

Newt or Mitt will not be able to revive the economy very much. The reason is very simple: all their so-called plans and ideas are either socialist or 100% rigged to help large businesses and big capital, and they completely neglect fixing some key problems that prevent further success. If those key problems are fixed, prosperity will automatically follow. Those key problems took decades to create and will take decades to fix.

It appears that many grassroots conservatives do not know what conservative policies are, how and why they work and do not want them implemented in America. Instead, they submit to fear of losing an election and jump on the compromise bandwagon to allay their fears.

Apparently most morons need 4 more years of Obama, so I will probably be forced to vote for him in order to send my tiny little 1-vote message to the Republican party machine. When people say he is destroying America, I say America is in God’s hands. If the Lord is with us, who can stand against us ? If the Lord is against us, Newt or Mitt - or anyone as President - is not going to save us. It all starts and ends with God. It’s evident that Obama is against America. The Republican establishment - and this includes both Newt and Mitt - has not stood firmly enough, they compromise, they change politics with the wind. No one, therefore, is truly any sort of advocate for the Christian faith except a few who can’t gain much political traction. Before our finances are fixed, we will need a religious revival, one of true faith as described in Scripture.

The Feral government is involved WAY too much in the lives of people. Statism does not bring prosperity. Without prosperity there is no security. Without morality there can be no solid prosperity. Moral relativism is no morality at all; it changes with the shifting sands of politics and populism.

My vote is not for sale to some Republican that says he has all the answers and they are all about state-mandated healthcare, state-controlled mortgage markets, etc.

FR has quite a few posters who are so “in the tank” for candidates other than those who support true conservative principles that it is quite striking and disheartening. Of course, “social media” is so far advanced at this point that most people don’t realize that many forums and social media sites are haunted by paid employees and contractors for various corporations and groups. What one thinks is an “opinion” expression tool is many times a way for organizations to shape and change public opinion just as much as to allow for individuals to express their opinion. One only has to do a little web searching for this type of service, as if one was trying to purchase the service, to see all the consulting companies out there peddling very sophisticated wares that offer to sway public opinion.

I guess the only reliable advice for the reader is to take everything they read with a grain of salt, do their own research and think for themselves. I have no faith in unsaved men, I have faith in God.

IMHO.


133 posted on 12/29/2011 10:12:03 AM PST by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves.)
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