Skip to comments.Rick Perry betrays the right, stays in
Posted on 01/04/2012 11:56:32 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
If Rick Perry was a legitimate conservative (which I always warned he was not) he would have dropped out of the campaign today and endorsed Rick Santorum, Ron Paul or Newt Gingrich. Yet "Pay-for-Play" Perry stays in, and heads for South Carolina. So what's the deal?
The big winner of Perry staying in, by far, is Mitt Romney. The big loser is the conservative movement and the candidates who appeal to that movement. Keeping in mind my long-held view that Perry is not conservative, just a "pay-for-play" guy, what is in it for Perry?
1. Perhaps Romney offered Perry a position in his administration, such as undersecretary of Agriculture.
2. Perhaps Romney offered Perry a diplomatic post suited to his talents, such as United States Ambassador to Bolivia.
3. Perhaps Perry spent more of his money than we realize, and Romney offered to go to his 1 percent wealthy fundraisers and raise for Perry a little more dough to sweeten the pie.
Who knows? I would suggest that by staying in and helping Romney, and hurting Santorum and Gingrich, Perry is to the conservative movement what Benedict Arnold was to the colonists. Or, since Rick Perry likes analogies from the Bible, perhaps a gentleman whose first name begins with "J" and ends with "-udas" fairly describes what Perry is doing to the real conservatives today.
This article is just plain silly. The author is making assumptions based on his wishes, and these wishes have no connection with facts. Rick Perry has no obligation to drop out of the race. Only a small number of people voted yesterday, and no candidate got anywhere near a majority. I think yesterday’s vote is much ado about nothing. We are in the early stages of the campaign, and no one know who will get the nomination in the end.
Essie, I agree. Iowa is WAAY overrated.
Rick Perry is a TRUE 10th Amendment conservative. If he dropped out, I’d have nowhere to go. Ron Paul is good on fiscal and domestic, but he has taken leave of the real world when he formulated his foreign policy. Mitt Romeny, Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum are all cut from the same big government progressive cloth that got us into this situation in the first place.
Why not ask Mitt Rimeny to drop out? Or the hapless Newt Gingrich?
Let them fight it out. The race has barely begun and the crybabies are already moaning the blues.
Learn from Iowa, Rick! Refine your limited government, 10th amendment message, deliver it more forcefully, and take the fight to Obama in the Fall.
Before Rick Perry drops out, he should call Tim Pawlenty to ask him if it’s too soon.
Paul .. another disruptive force. With him and Perry out, Romney is overtaken by an acceptable candidate. He not a Republican and should not be in the Republican primaries. People are not reading him right. This is our version of O’Bots backing him. I’ll trade some of the Paul Bots for some Blue Dogs.
Excellent opinion piece. Thanks for the link. Maybe it deserves a thread of its own.
You’re right. It’s not as though Iowa has a flawless record when it comes to picking the nominee. It doesn’t. Some of us would like the opportunity to vote for our candidates before they are written off and driven out of the race. The Iowa caucuses do not accurately represent mainstream conservative thought.
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I’ve been griping here about posts that are all assume and attack and bagging on FR’s overall quality because of them. Guess it’s become an acceptable level of discourse for 2nd rate op-ed authors as well. Perhaps I should just accept this trend, skinny jeans, and the use of the word chillax. On 2nd thought - I’ll stick with my initial values.
I say, carry on Perry - and Godspeed. I don’t care what the media or pundits have to say. I like Rick, (Santorum too) so, I’m for either one winning.
Santorum raised 1 million just today. Perry just blew 6 million for a fifth place ribbon. How much money does Perry have anymore and is anyone bothering to send him any donations? Perry is the one who will be out of gas at the side of the road before he even gets to the SC election.
Romney smiles. More split conservative votes. Just like McCain did (or rather, had done for him). Sheesh.
This article hits the nail on the head. Perry is a narcissistic traitor and his only purpose after his embarrassing 5th place Iowa finish is to help Romney.
A vote for Perry is now a vote for Romney. Everyone in SC/FL...please don’t be useful idiots for the establishment.
Well, I guess we’ll find out soon enough.
I am also quite curious as to how much money Perry has currently. It would be interesting if someone had (reliable) numbers of how much powder Perry has. He went into Iowa with quite the powder keg, but yesterday there was a comment from someone in his camp that money is no longer an afterthought. I hope someone knows where he stands on funds, because from now on things will be getting more expensive. And not just for Perry.
Cornholia has spoken, now drop out! / sarcasm
Perhaps. Perhaps not. But, let's allow the process to play out.
Karl Rove mentioned on Fox that he thinks Perry hs about $4 million left. And Rove reckons Perry can raise more.
At this stage of the race split votes among several candidates is the norm.
And this year, with proportional allocation of delegates, the incentive to stay in is stronger than in the past, since it will be at least next April before anyone can wrap it up, even theoretically. . Candidates with accumulated delegates may become players at the convention, especially if no one gets a first ballot majority.
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Thanks. That puts things in perspective. This race will be both a sprint and a marathon.
This thing is a long way from over, so come on, get a grip.
There has yet to be a single primary election, and you are already tearing up the wailing cloths. If your favorite candidate candidate is good, he’ll survive and thrive. Same for mine. You need not worry about Mitt as he is very unlikely to be the nominee. Although he might survive past Florida, he’ll be the Rudy Giuliani of 2012. He will fall further and further back in pack as time goes by.
I haven’t given up on Perry.
I like Perry, Santorum, and Gingrich. Any of them is far preferable to Mittens, and together they comprise the non-Romney vote. There’s still plenty of time for things to get sorted out.
Personally, I am looking forward to Romney finally getting his head handed to him. The more conservatives there are in the race, the more negative ads aimed at Romney there (hopefully) will be. Plus, we will now get to see who thinks Romney will ultimately prevail and is only in it for a shot at his VP slot. The ferocity of each candidate’s negative ads will tell that tale.
Soooo, can anyone tell me how many delegates the top three got? 7-7-7 or 13,12,0 or what?
In my opinion despite Haley's misplaced endorsement, this is a far-fetched scenario. More likely Romeny finishes fourth in South Carolina behind Santorum, Gingrich and Perry and goes into Florida as damaged goods.
No idea. A brokered convention would be cool. What a circus that would be!
Here are two joke-ies on pale ponys in this race that should be scratched but Hills tout Brent Budowski wants you to bet on them...Not in my book sould you
Palin. Palin is now a possibility with Bachman out. And Romney get actually a little less than he did in 2008 Iowa Caucus, he is very weak.
The main thing is that there are less winner-take-all states this year, meaning that it will draw out longer. Thats one reason Perry is still in it, since he is only between 6 and 12 delegates behind now. SC and Fl are winner take all, if Palin got in, claiming she need to solidify the conservative vote and won SC, she might attain that victory with just 20 percent of the vote, possibly doable with a write in?
Maybe Governor Perry will do better in the Southern States, who will favor a Texas governor over a Northern one and take votes away from Romney.
Perry spent $364 PER PERSON per VOTE in Iowa.
Just to bring up a factoid for the Perry supporters.
Fake fake fake fake fake fake fake.
Vote for the socialist of your choice!
Worked for McLame last time. He was DOA and out of $$$. And viola.... he's the nom because CBS said so.
I don’t think it has been decided yet for Iowa. All this did was determine whose supporters go on to the state level, where it weeds out again to decide who go on to the RNC. Exact numbers still not decided.
This article is a bit heavy on the drama. That said, I don’t think it’s inaccurate.
Bachmann did the right thing. She has been polling down for months. If Perry starts getting significant $$$ from Romney PACs, I think that would fully justify the article.
Is there time for Perry to make a big turnaround? Sure. Anything’s possible. But his border/illegal alien/LaRaza position is his biggest problem and he has shown no desire to change it. Putting fences around cities while leaving a thousand miles of ‘patrolled’ land open is just nuts when Democrats will just force ROEs on the border patrol more restrictive than those on Marines in Afghanistan.
I hope Santorum and Newt can get it together despite Perry staying in. Neither is my choice, but I guess I can vote for either and live with it.
I want to know who paid Mr. B to lie like this. I’m convinced he took money or was bribed some other way because he is so certain that’s how the world works.
2DV, you’re right about Paul, and the jury is still out on Gingrich’s conversion to fidelity, marital and otherwise.
I sure don’t like the way the GOP is allowing its candidates to be chosen.
Romney spent $143 per vote in Iowa.
Santorum spent 2 handshakes per vote in lieu of cash.
To win SC (say 150,000 votes in a split field) with 500,000 total votes cast, at the same spend rate as Iowa, Romney will need to budget about $24 million and Santorum about 300,000 handshakes. If Santorum gets started right away and shakes 10,000 hands a day between now and the primary, he might have a chance. I don’t care how much money Romeny spends in South Carolina, he isn’t going to achieve lift-off.
This pantsload has been debunked so many times it is getting boring. Yet here it comes again.
Perry I think is getting a TON of money to just stay in, according to the amount of votes he received vs. the campaign funds spent for them Perry spent an estimated $264 per vote compared to something like .73 per vote that Santorum spent.
Outside funds meant to split the cotes, no matter how much it takes.
A vote for Perry is just a vote for Perry.
Iowa was a show. The second and third votes for Delegates were the real policymakers, but few understand that their approval of Paulers and Romneyites negated their vote for Santorum.
The primaries begin in SC.
Sorry, but Palin jumping in now after everybody else has been doing all the heavy lifting would look lame, at least to me. That said, if Mittens begins to look like he is truly taking off, then I hope she does jump in. Screw Mittens.
There are only two things this country has ever done right, and they are the space program and our military -- both entities that this socialist administration and the Democratic Party gut at every opportunity.
Rick Perry could succeed with his policies only with a strong Tea-Party Congress, which only we can give him."....
Perry, Perry, Quite Contrary ........"Scenario B is potentially very bad news for Mr. Romney. It implies that party elites are not coalescing around him. In fact, it suggests that a subgroup of party elites are so dissatisfied with Mr. Romney that they are behaving strategically in an effort to maximize their chances of denying him the nomination..."
Iowa ethanol industry celebrates Romney-Santorum..........."Romney and Santorum (like Gingrich and Obama) both go 4-for-4 on the ethanol lobby's scorecard. Paul goes 2-for-4 because he would cut oil subsidies and allow 15-percent ethanol blends to be sold, but opposes the mandate and other subsidies. Rick Perry went 0-for-4."
Pantload? Really? Challenge accepted.
Tell you what John, You show where Perry’s polling rose after his heartless comment, pictures showing him accepting gifts from the Mexican president for his “open border” comments were published, or articles made the rounds with his smiling speeches to racist group LaRaza, AKA Stormfront Mexico, and I will retract my comments and admit I was wrong.
I have never defended Perry’s unwise (even stupid) “heartless” remark, so don’t try to hang me with that one.
Perry did speak to a La Raza group (although a far different one than the “Stormfront Mexico” aligned variants) but you don’t bother clarifying what it was he said to them.
“Gov Rick Perry spoke to La Raza about the drug cartels, shared responsibility of border security and that it is Washington’s responsibility to secure the border — that the Federal government should support the military, deliver the mail and secure the border — and they aren’t doing their job. He spoke of the money Texas spends securing the border, that it must be sealed and then we can sustain legitimate commerce...” I don’t see any pandering in there at all.
As Governor of Texas, I’m not surprised that there might be gifts exchanged with Mexican officials. so what? And this “open border” BS is really irritating to me. As far as I can tell this is an outright lie.
The caucus system is Iowa is part of why Iowa has way too much influence over national elections. Around twice as many people will vote in itty-bitty NH’s primary as caucused in Iowa, and about twice as many more again will vote in SC. SC and FL are where the rubber meets the road. Iowa and NH should be darn near irrelevant, but aren’t due to timing and the need to feed the maw of the News Cycle.
John, if you honestly don’t know, there are a number of articles , MSM and other, where he discussed his desire with MexPrez to have the kind of border we have with Canada. Perry has openly talked about it.
Mow as for Laraza. Saying there are some kind of difference between racist groups is like Whoopi claiming there rape and ‘rape-rape’ or that Al Quida is more terrorist than Hamas. Do you really want to make an argument like that? Would you find it acceptable for any patriotic American leader to address a group whose motto is “Everything for the Race?
Lastly, I’m not ‘hanging’ anything on you. you called my statement a pantload. Perry’s numbers were 30+% and tanked to single digits the very next poll, rebounding a couple points at best. That is a direct border/illegals issue as I asserted. Now I established cause and effect. You called it a pantload.
Again, prove anything I wrote here or my original post wrong and I will admit it. Otherwise, admit you are.
Edit...”Nearly single digits”