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RON PAUL Changes the Republican Party, or Not?
Graewoulf | January 10, 2012 | Graewoulf

Posted on 01/10/2012 10:50:31 AM PST by Graewoulf

Rep. Dr. Ron Paul is the only Candidate now running who:

1.) Has a comprehensive platform that will cut BASELINE Federal spending.

2.) Insists that all of the planks in his platform are consistent with the US Constitution.

3.) Accepts the fact that the USA can no longer financially afford to be the World’s policeman.

4.) Fully understands how to dismantle the disastrous Federal medical “entitlements” of Medicare, Medicaid, and the illegal Obama”care.”

5.) Has a comprehensive plan to abolish or dramatically shrink 5 Federal Departments, or Bureaus.

These positions set Dr. Paul apart from the rest of the Candidates who stubbornly cling to the time-honored traditions of "The Bipartisan Cave-In" by the RINO Political Party. (Democrats NEVER cave-in, but they still call it Bipartisan.)

I enjoy reading about the furor caused by Ron Paul rocking the boat. Paul offers a clear philosophical break to the leadership of the RINO Party, and thus has triggered the fear emotion of “fight or flight” among many faithful RINOs.

Four years from now, Senator Rand Paul will probably run for POTUS. Watch closely this year, and compare what you see to what Rand will be saying 4 years from now.

As usual, the “most electable” RINO will be chosen as the Party Nominee in Tampa, a failed and time-tested method of “playing not to lose,” just like the way losing teams do in football.

Nonetheless, Rep. Paul has defined a platform that the RINO Party must take some planks from to avoid going the way of the Whig Political Party.


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What will be the effect of Ron Paul's Presidential Campaign on the Republican Party? What say all of you?
1 posted on 01/10/2012 10:50:38 AM PST by Graewoulf
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To: Graewoulf

Easy: first, he won’t win, so it doesn’t matter. Second, he isn’t a Republican. Nuf said.


2 posted on 01/10/2012 10:55:28 AM PST by chilepup
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To: onyx

This should be fun.....who has the viking kitty list?


3 posted on 01/10/2012 11:01:03 AM PST by TitansAFC (Rick Santuckabee is 2012's version of Mike Huckatorum. Avoid Conservicide voting; support Newt!!)
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To: Graewoulf

Paul is neither a conservative nor a Republican.
Ron Paul is to the constitution as Fred Phelps is to the Bible.


4 posted on 01/10/2012 11:01:07 AM PST by svcw (For the new year: you better toughen up, if you are going to continue to be stupid.)
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To: Graewoulf

“Four years from now, Senator Rand Paul will probably run for POTUS. Watch closely this year, and compare what you see to what Rand will be saying 4 years from now.”

I live in Kentucky and voted for Rand Paul, but I can assure you.......no one from Kentucky is going to get elected president.


5 posted on 01/10/2012 11:01:44 AM PST by MachIV
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To: Graewoulf

Paul talks like an anti-colonist. It is one thing to question an intervention, certainly to condemn nation-building, quite another to ignore that we have a legitimate interest in the Middle East. If this causes us to clash with a resurgent Islam, we still have that interest. Paul would better serve by demanding we abandon an energy policy to requires us to import oil and maximize exploration. But our necessary connection with Europe prevents us from a concern about the dependence of that continent on the oil from the Persian Gulf. Increased North American production would allow us to lessen that dependence. North America potentially has more production than the Gulf.


6 posted on 01/10/2012 11:04:43 AM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: Graewoulf

I think you need to go back to the Ron Paul forums and get some new talking points.


7 posted on 01/10/2012 11:05:10 AM PST by rightwingintelligentsia (Be careful of believing something just because you want it to be true.)
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To: Graewoulf
The Republican party use to be the party of limited government.....

But now they believe in growing government too.

Just at a slower pace than the Democrats.

Think about it. The last time they were in charge, under Bush, the government grew the fastest since LBJ. That is outside the September 11th, 2001 response.

Mitt Romney is nothing but Obama with an “R” by his name.

So no it will not be Ron Paul, but the Republican Party itself that imploded thanks to Republicans betraying their principals of limited government.

8 posted on 01/10/2012 11:05:10 AM PST by Sprite518
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To: Graewoulf

It is a disgrace the the Republican Party would even permit such a liberal as Paul to engage others GOP candidates in debates, caucuses and polls.

From Paul’s racism, to his pro dope alliance with Barney Fag, to his Soros funding, to his Iran friendly policies, to his plans to gut the armed forces, to his trutherism and on and on and on....

Paul is a fraud, a liar and a nut. He hides behind the Constitution as he fools idiots into swallowing his lies.


9 posted on 01/10/2012 11:08:16 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS! This means liberals AND libertarians (same thing) NO LIBS!)
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To: Graewoulf

1st he won’t win.

2nd he will have zero effect on the Republican Party.

Lastly, I many not have him over for Thanksgiving this year.


10 posted on 01/10/2012 11:08:55 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Graewoulf

Let’s break this down item by item.

1.) Has a comprehensive platform that will cut BASELINE Federal spending.

This would be nice, however Congress is ultimately responsible for the budget, and without both houses, this won’t be easy. I will state that until the GOP congress (assuming they get the Senate) kills baseline budgeting, they are not serious about controlling the debt.

2.) Insists that all of the planks in his platform are consistent with the US Constitution.

Who’s interpretation? The Democrats are quite happy with their interpretation which lets them do anything they like. Almost half of SCOTUS agrees with the Dems. The way Paul talks, he sounds rather imperial in what he will do as president, but much of what he advocates is not in the scope of powers of that office.

3.) Accepts the fact that the USA can no longer financially afford to be the World’s policeman.

Even if the U.S. could afford it, Paul would be against it. He’s got a blame America first mentality like the Left when it comes to foreign policy, and he uses very specious arguments when he discuses the topic (referring to embassy guards as overseas military deployments- please). But say you do remove the U.S. as global hegemon, who takes over? Someone will, you can be assured. You can also bet that the successor will not be as amenable to U.S. interests.

4.) Fully understands how to dismantle the disastrous Federal medical “entitlements” of Medicare, Medicaid, and the illegal Obama”care.”

Paul is going dismantle Medicare, Medicaid and Obamacare? Well that last is possibly doable since it doesn’t have deep roots in the populace yet. However the other two are at best going to be reformed to be affordable, they are not going away any time soon. Any belief otherwise is delusional. (This is not to say I disagree they should go away, but reality says they won’t).

5.) Has a comprehensive plan to abolish or dramatically shrink 5 Federal Departments, or Bureaus.

Again, this is a matter for Congress, not the President. I appreciate having such a plan, but planning and implementation in this case is one hell of a gap.


11 posted on 01/10/2012 11:10:36 AM PST by drbuzzard (different league)
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To: Graewoulf

It amazing to many how many people do not know what a conservative is and or try to redefine it.

You know what a conservative is read about the founding fathers.


12 posted on 01/10/2012 11:11:50 AM PST by Sprite518
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To: svcw

Ron Paul is to the constitution as Fred Phelps is to the Bible.

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That is so true.

I would add that Ron Paul is to Republicans what Dennis Kucinich is to Democrats.


13 posted on 01/10/2012 11:12:41 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS! This means liberals AND libertarians (same thing) NO LIBS!)
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To: Sprite518

Yep, and it is not Ron Paul.


14 posted on 01/10/2012 11:14:41 AM PST by svcw (For the new year: you better toughen up, if you are going to continue to be stupid.)
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To: Graewoulf

Its a shame some of his better domestic ideas get lost in the sea of his foreign policy stupidity. And I say that as someone who voted for him before. More SMALL GOVERNMENT ideology, less BLAME AMERICA.


15 posted on 01/10/2012 11:16:52 AM PST by Paradox (The rich SHOULD be paying more taxes, and they WOULD, if they could make more money.)
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To: Graewoulf

IBTZ


16 posted on 01/10/2012 11:20:22 AM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: MachIV; chilepup; JakeS; hocndoc; DrDan4Congress; Jim Robinson; All

The purpose of this thread is to encourage thought on the effect Ron Paul will have on the Republican Party in this watershed National Election, and beyond.

Win, lose or draw, each Candidate has a effect on the Party, to a greater or lesser degree.

My question to all of you is:

“What effect do YOU predict will be made, temporary or permanent, by the Campaign of Ron Paul on the Republican Party?

From what I see so far, there is a lot of quiet support among the voters for Ron Paul, and a lot of emotion against Ron Paul by everybody else.

My intent is to set aside emotion and ponder what effect Dr. Paul will have on a truly sorry, spineless, Republican Party leadership, especially in Congress.

BTW, if the Republican Nominee wins the Presidency, but has the same ideas as Obama, then who has actually “won?”


17 posted on 01/10/2012 11:22:57 AM PST by Graewoulf (( obama"care" violates the 1890 Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND is illegal by the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: Responsibility2nd
Everytime I hear Paul speak, I think of this bit from a Dennis Miller stand-up routine. I've replaced Robert Byrd w/ Ron Paul.

"Ron Paul, the senior rep from Texas, they talk about him being statesman like, avuncular... he's neither of those. He's insane. And the reason he's insane is because he's 213 years old, for God's sake. Isn't it time for him to step down now, go back to Texas, and become a greeter at KKK-Mart? Lets face facts, if Ron Paul were your grandfather and he went off one of these demented screeds at Thanksgiving dinner everyone would sit there, looking up at him, smiling. And as soon as he left the room someone would say "What the f#@k are we going to do about Grandpa? Is he eating his own sh@t? Is anyone keeping an eye on him?"
18 posted on 01/10/2012 11:23:30 AM PST by Kaosinla (The More the Plans Fail. The More the Planners Plan.)
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To: Sprite518
"It amazing to many how many people do not know what a conservative is and or try to redefine it."

Yup the neocons, pro war democrats, have taken over the GOP. Conservativism is dead in the GOP.

19 posted on 01/10/2012 11:23:39 AM PST by jpsb
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To: Graewoulf

Rep. Dr. Ron Paul is the only Candidate now running who:

1) Has been in Congress for many years and has accomplished none of his alleged goals.


20 posted on 01/10/2012 11:24:14 AM PST by Jordo
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To: Graewoulf
All I know is that the choices we have at this moment in time will produce a candidate that will still take the United States over a cliff a little slower because the next president will not have the stones to do any different.
We are screwed.
We had this chance and we blew it.
Nothing changed and it will be too late after Obama stomps the next candidate into the dirt.
I am so depressed.
21 posted on 01/10/2012 11:25:09 AM PST by lucky american
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To: Graewoulf

It’s great to have The Soros pawn doing the lefts Bidding .

Were you involved in the Paul nutters joint venture with r
Acorn goons attacking Rick Santurom wife and
Kids in NH !

A new low from the Paul -Soros - Acorn storm troopers !

You must be very of Ronny !


22 posted on 01/10/2012 11:25:53 AM PST by ncalburt (NO MORE WIMPS need to apply to fight the Soros Funded Puppet !H)
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To: MrEdd
IBTZ indeed.
 
It's bad enough that he supports Ron Paul. But to bad mouth Ronald Reagan also?
 
How has he lasted 11 years?


23 posted on 01/10/2012 11:27:12 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS! This means liberals AND libertarians (same thing) NO LIBS!)
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To: svcw

I am so stealing that line.


24 posted on 01/10/2012 11:32:56 AM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Graewoulf
Oh lord, the asylum doors must have been slap flung wide open the past few days...
25 posted on 01/10/2012 11:37:07 AM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: Graewoulf
Oh lord, the asylum doors must have been slap flung wide open the past few days...
26 posted on 01/10/2012 11:37:07 AM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: Sprite518
By the whackadoo Paul standard the Founding Fathers were neocons...

Get a grip and join reality. You think Jefferson, the man who went after the Barbary Pirates would brown nose Iran ala Ron Paul style?

27 posted on 01/10/2012 11:41:31 AM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: Graewoulf
Simple, Ron Paul is NOT Republican, NOT Tea Party and NOT conservative. Ron Paul is a Soros-backed puppet. His support used to come from libertarian foilhats but the main constituency is white supremicists, occupy parasites, Democrats who are doing a reverse operation chaos, and code pinkos.

His lies, anti-US Constitution, isolationism, pandering to conspiracy whackos, blaming the US for 9/11, and more prove that he is nothing but a leftwing kook.

28 posted on 01/10/2012 11:42:24 AM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: Jordo

LOL...


29 posted on 01/10/2012 11:43:55 AM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: Graewoulf
Rep. LRon Paul is the only GOP candidate now running who:

LRon Paul Wants Kucinich in his Cabinet

Nader, who has recently called this progressive-liberaltarian coalition "the most exciting new political dynamic" in the US today …….. "I believe in coalitions," Rep. Paul echoed.

Paul will give his seal of approval to four candidates: Green Party nominee Cynthia McKinney, Libertarian Party nominee Bob Barr, independent candidate Ralph Nader and Constitution Party candidate Chuck Baldwin.

Ron Paul booed during Tea Party debate after Osama bin Laden answer

30 posted on 01/10/2012 11:44:50 AM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Graewoulf

The only possible effect will take place if he runs on a third party ticket. He will help the Republican nominee by doing so, as most of his support comes from young liberals who ignore his fiscal message and support his liberal policies regarding foreign policy and drug legalization.

My read is that much of his support from the conserative side comes from people who vote third party or don’t vote anyway.

Run Doctor, run!


31 posted on 01/10/2012 11:45:51 AM PST by SaxxonWoods (....The days are long, but the years are short.....)
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To: Servant of the Cross

Now now, don’t go hitting Paulinoids with facts...


32 posted on 01/10/2012 11:48:31 AM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: Graewoulf
2.) Insists that all of the planks in his platform are consistent with the US Constitution.

3.) Accepts the fact that the USA can no longer financially afford to be the World’s policeman.

Those two points alone scuttle Ron Paul's chances of winning the Republican nomination. If there are two things that the modern Republican Party stands for it is dispensing of the Constitution when convenient - Big Government spending (TARP, Medicare Part D) eviscerating the Bill of Rights (Patriot Act, NDAA) and unending, Trillion-dollar a year Globalist military interventions. If that wasn't enough they emulate the Soviet Union in one more way. They label anyone that opposes their policies as "crazy". Ron Paul really is a RINO.

33 posted on 01/10/2012 11:55:41 AM PST by Roninf5-1
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To: Responsibility2nd

I see the latest RNC talking points has been made available to it’s followers.


34 posted on 01/10/2012 12:00:36 PM PST by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: chilepup
That's pretty much it ~ Rep. Paul is a Libertarian. They have a political party.

This makes Paul a RINO ~ a Republican In Name Only. He does that to run for office. This is an old tradition in the Souf' and Texas. Run as a Republican to bypass the demands of the Democrats, or Libertarians or whatevers.

For many years the Republican party throughout the Souf' was a SHELL. Now it's not, so this sort of behavior is far more serious.

So, let's count up how many RINOs the Republicans have using different definitions

(1) Traditional ~ (as describe above) ~ that'd give us Perry and Paul.

(2) More modern ~ ustabe a Democrat, Libertarian or some other party but didn't run as one ~ that'd give us Michelle Bachman and that Johnson guy (although Johnson tried to run as a Libertarian the other day).

(3) Ustabe a Republican but joined or allied with Democrats ~ that'd be Jon Huntsman.

This leaves Newt Gingrich, Romney and Santorum as the only real, full scale, authentic Republicans running in this primary for President.

So, 8 candidates and 5 of them arguably RINOs under very narrow interpretations of the term.

Some still want to label Romney for his mind-numbed, robot-like, knee-jerk Leftwingtard government program outlook ~ but I think we already have sufficient terms concerning such folks so there's no sense wasting a perfectly usable term like "RINO" on them.

Only Gingrich and Santorum are clear cut, down the line, traditional Republicans.

35 posted on 01/10/2012 12:02:04 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: randomhero97; Responsibility2nd

So rand, which part of Responsible’s statement is incorrect?
These statements have been shown dozens and dozens of times on FR, however tell which are untrue.


36 posted on 01/10/2012 12:03:48 PM PST by svcw (For the new year: you better toughen up, if you are going to continue to be stupid.)
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To: Graewoulf

He and mittens are the only two beating or tied with Thugbama.

RP has MASS APPEAL to independents sick to death of the GOP, as most of us are.


37 posted on 01/10/2012 12:05:33 PM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: Graewoulf
Ron Paul has become a political terrorist who uses his street thugs to harass and disrupt the other candidate's events. And if you were watching C-SPAN last night, you saw his goons, aligned with the Occupy anarchists, converge on Newt's campaign headquarters and attempt to take over a Santorum press conference.

In fact, the Occupy idiots marched on Paul's headquarters to declare their SUPPORT for him.

What a disgusting excuse for a politician.

38 posted on 01/10/2012 12:10:04 PM PST by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: svcw

Good luck with that...


39 posted on 01/10/2012 12:14:55 PM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: svcw
*Disclaimer* I am not a Ron Paul follower. */Disclaimer*

How is he racist? The right is as quick to throw out the race card as the left when it suits them.

Pro-dope alliance? Yeah, the War on Drugs is such a righteous war isn't it.

Soros funding? It was proven back in 2008 that McCain was funneled money from various Soros operated fronts. Republicans just put their fingers in their ears and sang lalalalala.

Iran friendly policies? What legislation has he proposed in support Iran.

Gut the military. I can tell you right now how much waste, cronyism, shadiness, etc. there is in the Department of Defense.
40 posted on 01/10/2012 12:16:08 PM PST by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: GlockThe Vote
MASS APPEAL .......... laughing Pictures, Images and Photos
41 posted on 01/10/2012 12:17:33 PM PST by svcw (For the new year: you better toughen up, if you are going to continue to be stupid.)
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To: muawiyah

I like your criteria for who’s a RINO and who’s not. I do.

That’s why I happily voted for both Bushes and against Regan.

/sarc


42 posted on 01/10/2012 12:18:31 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS! This means liberals AND libertarians (same thing) NO LIBS!)
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To: Graewoulf

43 posted on 01/10/2012 12:19:27 PM PST by Bikkuri
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To: Graewoulf

Ron Paul has been a member of Congress for decades. He is a Committee Chairman. Name a single thing he has done in all those years to help reduce the size of government.

Ron Paul is part of the Washington establishment. He goes out and runs against the government he is a part of. Some people are stupid enough to believe him.


44 posted on 01/10/2012 12:22:33 PM PST by detective
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To: Deb

I’m NOT a Paul supporter.

I think your comment too harsh. I don’t think Paul is sending the thugs, the thugs do this on their own. This is the price Paul pays for having to pander to unsavory types because the nut cases have always been a big part of his monetary support. Like any politician, he is beholden to his supporters. That’s why he coddles rather than repudiates them.

He says he’s a conservative and in some ways he is, but most of his support comes from liberals.


45 posted on 01/10/2012 12:22:48 PM PST by SaxxonWoods (....The days are long, but the years are short.....)
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To: randomhero97; svcw
Typical liberal talking points.
 
And to further add to your leftist identity, we see your contempt for SoCons.
 
Tell us. Is there ANYTHING conservative about you?


46 posted on 01/10/2012 12:29:41 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS! This means liberals AND libertarians (same thing) NO LIBS!)
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To: svcw

Again - Other than RP and Romney - who beats Obama?


47 posted on 01/10/2012 12:29:55 PM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: Deb
“you saw his goons, aligned with the Occupy anarchists, converge on Newt's campaign headquarters and attempt to take over a Santorum press conference.”

Do you notice how Ron Paul is spending millions of dollars to attack Newt and Santorum? And he sends his goons to threaten them and disrupt their events.

Do you notice how Ron Paul NEVER attacks Obama or Romney?

Do you notice how Ron Paul is working closely with the Soros funded group C.R.E.W. to spread lies about Santorum?

Ron Paul is an Obama/Soros operative working to ensure Romney's nomination and Obama’s reelection. He is also working to discredit conservatives.

Ron Paul is a Soros/

48 posted on 01/10/2012 12:30:48 PM PST by detective
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To: SaxxonWoods
BS. He calls Santorum "corrupt" to his face. He brushes off the fact he supports the lie that Bush knew about 9/11 and was "gleeful" it happened so he could invade Iraq. He knows what his people are doing and he knows the Occupy thugs are attacking the other candidates on his behalf while he grins that stupid grin.

Its not "pandering" when he's silent as his lunatic supporters scream "REVOLUTION!" and "Ron Paul doesn't hate gays!" at Santorum events. He's evil. And dangerous.

49 posted on 01/10/2012 12:32:46 PM PST by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: Graewoulf
Just like 2008 Ron Paul's 15 minutes are just about up. Too bad his supporters are too stupid to recognize that fact.
50 posted on 01/10/2012 12:33:41 PM PST by McGruff (Ron Paul and Howard Dean both finished 3rd in Iowa. Destiny?)
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