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Influence of Palin and Tea Party Wanes in Early Contests (I hope they actually believe that!)
The New York Times ^ | February 2, 2012 | Michael D. Shear

Posted on 02/04/2012 2:05:47 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

In October, Sarah Palin announced that she would not run for president in 2012, ending the media frenzy around her potential candidacy even as she vowed to remain politically active and influential.

“I will continue driving the discussion for freedom and free markets,” she wrote in an e-mail to her supporters.

Just over three months later, her attempts to wield influence in the presidential campaign the way she did during the 2010 midterm elections have largely fizzled.

And the Tea Party movement that she helped to turn into a powerful political force in 2010 has so far displayed little impact on the course of the 2012 Republican presidential campaign.

Over the last two weeks, Ms. Palin has urged voters in South Carolina and Florida to vote for Newt Gingrich as a way of striking back against the Republican establishment in Washington and against liberals.

“If for no other reason, rage against the machine, vote for Newt. Annoy a liberal. Vote Newt. Keep this vetting process going, keep the debate going,” Ms. Palin said on Fox News two days before Tuesday’s primary in Florida.

Ms. Palin, who pointedly said she was not endorsing anyone in the Republican contest, draped her remarks in the anti-establishment rhetoric of the Tea Party, saying that Washington Republicans who oppose Mr. Gingrich were fighting against the cause of freedom....

(Excerpt) Read more at thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Campaign News; Issues; Parties; State and Local
KEYWORDS: govpalin; govpalin4america; nytimes4romney; palin; rinos; romney4romney; teaparty; teapartyrebellion
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This fool thinks that Gov. Palin wasn't a determining factor in Newt's surprising win in South Carolina! Milt had the GOVERNOR of that state in his back pocket, yet Newt came from behind and whipped him soundly in EVERY major demographic!!
1 posted on 02/04/2012 2:05:57 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The New York Slimes: all the lies that are fit to print.


2 posted on 02/04/2012 2:09:45 PM PST by kjo
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I understand he won most counties in Florida too.


3 posted on 02/04/2012 2:10:42 PM PST by freemarketsfreeminds
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
This fool thinks that Gov. Palin wasn't a determining factor in Newt's surprising win in South Carolina!

So what happened to her in Florida? Had a previous obligation or something?

4 posted on 02/04/2012 2:12:24 PM PST by humblegunner
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Writers from the Slimes are clueless. They have no idea what is happening. Let us pay them no mind.
5 posted on 02/04/2012 2:12:24 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: freemarketsfreeminds

Maybe not. Where can I find good information?


6 posted on 02/04/2012 2:13:50 PM PST by freemarketsfreeminds
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“I will continue driving the discussion for freedom and free markets,” she wrote in an e-mail to her supporters.

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That is the exact same thing as Nurse Sarah giving me a soothing warm sponge bath.


7 posted on 02/04/2012 2:14:21 PM PST by EyeGuy (2012: When the Levee Breaks)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Actually, I believe it, and predicted it.

We peeked too early in 2010. This election cycle proving to be an EXACT rerun of 1994/1196. And it's just as depressing to me now as it was back then.

We won a glorious victory in ‘94 that stopped clintoon and the hildabeast from completing their destruction of America. But we ran out of gas in ‘96. We allowed a really weak candidate (Dole) to get the nomination, and the ‘bent one’ was allowed to infest the Oval Office for four more years.

8 posted on 02/04/2012 2:15:42 PM PST by I cannot think of a name
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Is that why every media outlet goes into helium voice whenever she comments on the Presidential Primary race?


9 posted on 02/04/2012 2:15:42 PM PST by digger48
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Tea Party and Palin waiting until the ship sinks. Romney will win and will lose by a wide margin to King Obama who will have another 4 years. So be it.
10 posted on 02/04/2012 2:19:21 PM PST by Logical me
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

When Sarah ran away from running, I knew that we had all been had by the Republican Machine.

I warned all who would listen and argued with those that wouldn’t to the point of getting banned.

Sarah Palin has been compromised by someone or something.

She is not now helping us and will not in the future.

Unfortunately she is now a total non-issue in this campaign!


11 posted on 02/04/2012 2:21:40 PM PST by Randy Larsen (No Romney vote from my family!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
As always, PDS strikes with a back-handed slap at Sarah and the Tea Party.

It remains to be seen if the faithful can muster enough numbers and votes (ones that are counted) to stop Romeney-the-RINO in the Primaries in the Flyover Country, AND, to overcome the Fraud and Illegals that will count in the General Election of 2012.

12 posted on 02/04/2012 2:24:17 PM PST by traditional1 (Stay thirsty, my friends.)
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To: I cannot think of a name

We are underground getting ready to throw another tantrum that will even stun the RINOs. How dare they think we would give up our country for a European version!!


13 posted on 02/04/2012 2:24:56 PM PST by PROTESTBYPROXY (We are screaming!)
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To: digger48

I think what happened in Fla. was the geographic nature of Fla. The Tea Party, being the independent groups that they are, are too scattered and not working together at the state level. S.C. has a strong TP connection within the state. The Tea Parties within states need to work closely together. That is the only way we can be effective. Sarah can’t carry the whole load.


14 posted on 02/04/2012 2:25:46 PM PST by WVNan ("Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy." - Winston)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The Messiah, and the Progressives/Socialists ALL are dependent of two constituencies:

THE BLACK VOTE (95% of them voted for The Messiah in 2012)

The Unionistas (public parasites feeding at the behest of Taxpayers)

"In 2011, 7.6 million employees in the public sector belonged to a union, compared with 7.2 million union workers in the private sector. The union membership rate for public-sector workers (37.0 percent) was substantially higher than the rate for private-sector workers (6.9 percent).

Within the public sector, local government workers had the highest union membership rate, 43.2 percent."

15 posted on 02/04/2012 2:32:01 PM PST by traditional1 (Stay thirsty, my friends.)
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To: humblegunner

Spot on


16 posted on 02/04/2012 2:41:09 PM PST by Outlaw Woman (The 2nd Amendment IS my concealed carry permit)
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To: I cannot think of a name
We won a glorious victory in ‘94 that stopped clintoon and the hildabeast from completing their destruction of America. But we ran out of gas in ‘96. We allowed a really weak candidate (Dole) to get the nomination, and the ‘bent one’ was allowed to infest the Oval Office for four more years.

Reagan himself couldn't have beat Clinton in 1996, thanks, in part, to the new Republican congress who forced Clinton to govern from the center --which he was able to do successfully. It's strange to consider that had the Republicans not taken control of congress in '94, Clinton would've likely been a failed one-termer ala Carter. Clinton took credit for everything (including the then booming tech industry that he had absolutely nothing to do with).

17 posted on 02/04/2012 2:43:08 PM PST by Drew68
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The Tea Party’s motto should be: “Flying Below the Radar.”


18 posted on 02/04/2012 2:43:08 PM PST by AdaGray
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To: Randy Larsen

Well I wondered what happened to you but was glad to see you were back.

I don’t know about your theory on Palin being compromised but fully agree...she’s no longer a help.

She diminished herself; the reason she had credibility is because the majority believed she was going to ultimately ‘run’ for President in THIS election cycle. Deception in the highest degree.


19 posted on 02/04/2012 2:46:44 PM PST by Outlaw Woman (The 2nd Amendment IS my concealed carry permit)
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To: WVNan

“I think what happened in Fla. was the geographic nature of Fla. The Tea Party, being the independent groups that they are, are too scattered and not working together at the state level.”

That and FL is half full of northerners at this time of the year. And many of them are registered to vote there - snowbirds. They declare that they live in FL six months and one day out of the year, thus they get all the tax breaks, etc. that FL has to offer over the northern states.

A lot of our older neighbors here in NY like Romney because they like how he LOOKS and SPEAKS. Obama all over again. It was shown in the FL exit polls that the bulk of the people that voted for Romney did so because they think he is the more “electable”. Remember that this has been the meme about Romney since FOREVER. It has become embedded in the narrative. People don’t even know what the hell it means. It just sounds “good”.

And Sarah, well in my opinion, she did wait too long to declare that she would not run. If she had done that even a couple of weeks earlier, she would have held on to her potential to influence voters. As it is now, while still popular, she has made herself less relevant as to a serious positive impact on whomever she endorses. Sad really. And don’t everybody yell at me.


20 posted on 02/04/2012 2:47:45 PM PST by Ladysforest
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To: Drew68
“Reagan himself couldn't have beat Clinton in 1996”

That's some of the revisionist nonsense that clintoons worshipers in the media have spread for years. And it is bunk.

Fact: Clintoon beat Dole (a VERY weak candidate)by only 8.2 million votes.

Clintoon did NOT even get a majority of the vote as that jug eared numskull Perot got over 8 million votes.

When you look at the single biggest decrease in voting by block between 1994 and 1996 - yep - the most conservative had the biggest decline.

Clintoon did NOT win that election - it was handed to him by the apathy of the conservative base, caused a weak candidate and some kind of misplaced feeling that we had ‘won’ in 94, and no more work was required.

And yes, sadly that does feel like today.

21 posted on 02/04/2012 3:03:11 PM PST by I cannot think of a name
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To: freemarketsfreeminds
Not just the counties...Note the figures were actually taken from a NYT article.

According to NPR via NYT
NEWT leads Mitt 39-32
when FL vote divided per RNC rules!

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Encourage them to do the RIGHT thing, end the FL fiasco NOW, Play by the rules!

Michael Steele, who was president of the RNC when the rule was past said that Florida had no business giving all delgates to Romney, and the current pres. of RNC wrote a letter in Dec. telling them the vote was to be distributed.

All media is spreading the meme that "Romney won by large numbers", when he didn't. Romney has sent out spokes people who repeat the meme. If you are familiar with Alinsky it is a way to dishearten Newt's followers.

DO NOT BE DISHEARTENED......FIGHT BACK! See my tagline join the cause.

22 posted on 02/04/2012 3:04:35 PM PST by hoosiermama (FR Unite... Get active contacting MSM, RNC. etc... freepmail : Mountain Mary.)
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To: AdaGray; Mountain Mary

I like that instead of silent majority....We are Flying Below the Radar.....or simply “Below Radar”.


23 posted on 02/04/2012 3:08:16 PM PST by hoosiermama (FR Unite... Get active contacting MSM, RNC. etc... freepmail : Mountain Mary.)
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To: humblegunner

What happened in FL?

Team Mitt spent 25 million dollars and gained 25 delegates.

Pretty simple.


24 posted on 02/04/2012 3:19:58 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Texas Fossil
What happened in FL?

If Team Sarah was responsible for the win in SC, what happened in FL?

Was Team Sarah not on the job?

Are victories to be attributed to Our Sarah but never defeats?

Or maybe split the difference and admit that she's just a mere mortal.

25 posted on 02/04/2012 3:30:58 PM PST by humblegunner
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To: humblegunner; Outlaw Woman; Randy Larsen

It’s entertaining to still hear from you three whiners, whimpering because you can’t get a woman fight your political battles for you the way you think she should.

Especially nice to hear humblegrumbler continue to make a fool of himself, or is it herself?


26 posted on 02/04/2012 3:31:42 PM PST by ngat
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To: ngat

Cool, you’ve got wi-fi at the highway rest stop.

Made any money yet?


27 posted on 02/04/2012 3:34:26 PM PST by humblegunner
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To: I cannot think of a name

The reason is, conservatives in general get busy when they see a threat, get after it one or two election cycles, and when it seems that they might be pretty well left alone, they go back to making a living and tending their families ‘til the next agressive action against them.

For the liberal, they want something specific from government, and they know politics is a continuing game and so they just stay organized and make politics a part of their life.


28 posted on 02/04/2012 3:40:20 PM PST by ngat
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To: I cannot think of a name
Clintoon did NOT win that election - it was handed to him by the apathy of the conservative base, caused a weak candidate and some kind of misplaced feeling that we had ‘won’ in 94, and no more work was required.

Revisionist? No, I was right there, nearly 28-years old and voting for Dole. Republicans fielded a weak candidate because nobody felt confident about beating Clinton. "Might as well run ol' man Dole. It's his turn and we're going to lose anyways" was what the Republican establishment was thinking. Even if every Perot vote is added to Dole's numbers, Clinton still wins.

It's a little different this year. In 1996, the economy was booming and people were relatively optimistic. Today? Malaise, depression and anxiety. Yet the Republican front-runners are possibly the two worst candidates the party could field. We have Mitt Romney, a liberal with an 'R' next to his name who sends the base fleeing and Newt Gingrich, who retains the base and sends everyone else fleeing. In the worst economy since the Great Depression, the race seemed impossible to lose. I'm afraid we're going to find a way.

29 posted on 02/04/2012 3:50:59 PM PST by Drew68
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To: Drew68
“No, I was right there, nearly 28-years old”

I was also once a 28 year old working on an election, but it was for Ford trying to keep that idiot Carter out of the White House. And believe me, the story is always the same. Conservatives will man-up and score a touchdown, but we won't put the game away. It was the same thing in the 80’s. In 1984, Reagan DID actually win by a landslide. We responded by going to sleep and letting the democraps win back the Senate in ‘86.

In 1994 I was up to my elbows in the mid terms. I could get anything I wanted. From contributions to bodies. It was like that across the country. We took back Congress and seemed poised to cut the head off the snake. Yet in 1996, the same people that had been willing to do anything in 1994, would hardly return calls.

As much as I despise liberals, I have to take my hat off to them for one thing: they will stick to it until they get what they want. If conservatives would ever stick to it and finish the job, we could straighten this country out. But I'm afraid every victory causes us to think we can go back to sleep. And then the process repeats.

30 posted on 02/04/2012 4:37:03 PM PST by I cannot think of a name
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To: Outlaw Woman; jimrob

It took me at least two weeks and a promise to Jimrob to change my ways. I’ve kept my word and intend to stay above the fray.


31 posted on 02/04/2012 4:41:30 PM PST by Randy Larsen (No Romney vote from my family!)
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To: I cannot think of a name
As much as I despise liberals, I have to take my hat off to them for one thing: they will stick to it until they get what they want. If conservatives would ever stick to it and finish the job, we could straighten this country out. But I'm afraid every victory causes us to think we can go back to sleep. And then the process repeats.

You'll get no argument from me here. I don't think I've ever been more disappointed in Republican governance than I was between the elections of 2002 and 2006 when we controlled all branches of government --and governed like free-spending Democrats! So much opportunity squandered.

32 posted on 02/04/2012 4:42:47 PM PST by Drew68
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To: ngat

Ignore the facts at your own peril.


33 posted on 02/04/2012 4:44:14 PM PST by Randy Larsen (No Romney vote from my family!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Happy Birthday to you.

Just like Dorthy said in the Wizard of Oz, there's no place like home. The "shellacking," in November had everything to do with the Tea Party.

Keep knocking your heals together GOP elite, you will find that you're not in Kansas anymore.

We are approaching the abyss, I trust the American people will choose wisely.

5.56mm

34 posted on 02/04/2012 4:53:09 PM PST by M Kehoe
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To: Randy Larsen

Florida is what happens when libs are allowed to vote in GOP primaries. My solution is you must have been a registered Republican in the last presidential election to vote in the next presidential primary. How stupid are we to let libs pick our nominee.


35 posted on 02/04/2012 6:36:17 PM PST by Lets Roll NOW (It takes an Evil person to say he doesn't want his daughter punished with a baby)
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To: humblegunner; ngat; onyx
"Made any money yet?"

Don't worry, he asks me that bullsh*t question all the time, and I have no freakin' idea what he means by it. Maybe it's what they ask at the halfway house when you report in to your P.O. or something.

36 posted on 02/04/2012 6:38:13 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.~Admiral Yamamoto)
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To: I cannot think of a name

Remember though that BJ won both times with a plurality due to HRP.


37 posted on 02/04/2012 6:45:09 PM PST by nascarnation (DEFEAT BARAQ 2012 DEPORT BARAQ 2013)
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To: Lets Roll NOW
Florida is what happens when libs are allowed to vote in GOP primaries

Unfortunately Rush took away any claim to voting purity when he championed Op Chaos in 2008.

38 posted on 02/04/2012 6:56:11 PM PST by nascarnation (DEFEAT BARAQ 2012 DEPORT BARAQ 2013)
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To: Drew68

A Republican Congress led by Newt Gingrich. Something folks in FL seem to forget.


39 posted on 02/04/2012 7:31:40 PM PST by EagleInGA (Mittens & the NJ Fat Man? Really?!?!)
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To: I cannot think of a name

And believe me, the story is always the same. Conservatives will man-up and score a touchdown, but we won’t put the game away. It was the same thing in the 80’s. In 1984, Reagan DID actually win by a landslide. We responded by going to sleep and letting the democraps win back the Senate in ‘86.

In 1994 I was up to my elbows in the mid terms. I could get anything I wanted. From contributions to bodies. It was like that across the country. We took back Congress and seemed poised to cut the head off the snake. Yet in 1996, the same people that had been willing to do anything in 1994, would hardly return calls.

Hi, my young friend, in our family we keep souvenirs in our family from every American conflict, incident, civil unpleasantness etc, It’’s my turn until I decide, which cousin or son receives this antique trove of US Military swag. There are Guidons, Battle flags, flintlocks, 1863 muskets South/North, calvary sabers, Pennsylvania rifles, Krag, Springfield, Girand rifles and even a couple of Bowie knives.
We also have boxes of medals won, worn and wept over from the very first, a George Washington Medal for Bravery, to a pile of today’s better known Purple Heart(s). Expert marksmen tie tacs. We have a Silver star, two Bronzes and lots of ribbons from Cuba to Iraq. Five fragile paper Gold Window Stars, We also have eleven folded Triangular Stars & Stripes. Seven given out after combat posthumously. There are medals, I can’t find copies of in any book about military decorations. Some apparently came from the grateful nation of France 20 years apart. A dozen more from countries in SE Asia are written in alien tongues.
Should the sad day come when a nation denied the soap box, the ballot box and only the cartridge box remains, we’ll take up those sacred relics and remove these diseased minds. This type of thinking is a mental illness. It must be wiped out and then educated out.


40 posted on 02/04/2012 7:42:20 PM PST by STD (Cut Taxes, Cut Spending Stupid!)
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To: nascarnation
“due to HRP”

I lost two good friends over that. They both were life long Republicans and conservatives, that decided they wanted to, “send a message to Washington.” Thanks to that jug eared idiot and gullible people like them, what we actually sent to Washington was an ultra liberal pervert and his communist wife. Some message. If somebody from the right jumps in as a third party, I fear we could easily see the same thing happening this year.

41 posted on 02/04/2012 7:44:58 PM PST by I cannot think of a name
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To: ngat

ngat
Since Feb 8, 2011

You’re still wet behind the ears and don’t have a clue or proof to back up that stupid post.

You need to sit on the sidelines and learn a little while longer before making an ass out of yourself.


42 posted on 02/04/2012 7:55:11 PM PST by Outlaw Woman (The 2nd Amendment IS my concealed carry permit)
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To: I cannot think of a name

It feels like deja vu all over again don’t it.


43 posted on 02/04/2012 8:48:05 PM PST by gusty
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To: Outlaw Woman

Anybody ever stop to think that there might have been a last minute family reason to not run? I still believe something happened to block a run, whether a personal reason or some shennanigins by the GOP , we may never know. Somebody on one of the blogs with a contact in DC - said that the rumor was going around that campaign people were warned not to join a Palin campaign- or else. Myself, my mind keeps going back to the interview with Greta a few weeks before she announced her desision. She seemed shaken up, and not herself. It was right after the Bristol/ bar incident. I will always wonder if the guy accosting Bristol didn’t bring home to her how dangerous a run could be for her kids and family.


44 posted on 02/04/2012 9:54:25 PM PST by Truthfreesus
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Engage the caterpillar drive.”
—The Hunt For Red October


45 posted on 02/05/2012 12:50:42 AM PST by bigoil (Study Thy Nixon)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Influence of Palin and Tea Party Wanes in Early Contests

WISHFUL THINKING by the NY Slimes.. nothing more.

46 posted on 02/05/2012 1:17:59 AM PST by VideoDoctor
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To: AdaGray

That’s it: ‘Fly Below the Radar’


47 posted on 02/05/2012 3:20:04 AM PST by AdaGray
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To: AdaGray

That’s it: ‘Below the Radar’


48 posted on 02/05/2012 3:20:39 AM PST by AdaGray
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Unfortunately the situation is that Romney is headed to victory—and then a likely loss. Neither the Tea Party nor Palin has had much influence (or even attempted much influence) down ticket either.

Further, for all the Tea Party victories in 2008, they weren’t able to make the GOP in Congress budge on spending or Obamacare.

Palin and her family have made a lot of money, but the people’s rebellion against Obama and his politics has fizzled a slow death.


49 posted on 02/05/2012 3:25:22 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

At the risk of being royally raked over the coals, I seriously thing Gov Palin should consider a independent run for the WH.

I have no idea what deadlines may or may not be for such a run, to be on all 57 States, but I think she should consider this, assuming Romney is the guy.

Who knows how the vote could be split, maybe fat Rosanne could take a few votes away from Obuma, maybe Ron Paul will run and get Obuma`s youngsters?

Perhaps she would only need 30% or thereabouts to pull off a win?


50 posted on 02/05/2012 9:41:00 AM PST by Friendofgeorge (SARAH PALIN 2012 OR FLIPPIN BUST)
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