Skip to comments.One Shall Stand and One Shall Fall — the Tea Party vs. the Cocktail Party Enter Thunderdome
Posted on 02/18/2012 1:38:46 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
Im going to an interesting Tea Party event here in Chicagoland thats going to keep me busy all morning, where Ill have the chance to meet some people with the true pulse of whats going on.
Ive had this visual in my mind for quite a while, of the Tea Party and the Cocktail Party entering Thunderdome in this election where one shall stand and one shall fall when the dust settles.
Either Willard Mittens Romney becomes the Republican nominee (in which case the Cocktail Party GOP establishment wins), or hes defeated and someone other than the permanent political classs assigned its his turn! candidate moves onto the general election (which is a Tea Party win).
I do not believe Mittens can defeat Barack Obama, for the simple fact that Democrats have spent the last four years gearing up to face Romney and have designed an Occupy & Persecute re-election strategy for Obama that specifically targets Romneys personal weaknesses that are non-transferable to another Republican nominee. If the Cocktail Party wins, and Romneys the nominee, I dont even think bringing on someone as spectacular as Allen West as VP could drag Romney across the finish line.
Obamas re-election would be the end of the Republican Party as we know it because after Dole in 1996, McCain in 2008, and Romney in 2012 conservatives just wont tolerate the Party of Stupid making the same mistakes but expecting different results. Unless, of course, a Romney nomination is intended as a strategic loss because the GOP secretly (or not so secretly, as the case may be) really wants to lose the election (in the same way that many still think McCain deliberately whiffed it in 2008).
Were in an economic Depression, though the elite, agenda-driven media refuses to call it that while a Democrat is in the White House. I think if McCain had won in 08, the D-word would be used aggressively right now (and Obama would be given his second run at the White House, because the Tolerant Left was hellbent on making him president in 08 or 12); McCain might have been afraid of race riots in the last election if he had beaten Obama, so he just kind of gave up in September of that campaign. It feels like Republicans have given up already if theyre pushing Romney for the nomination now.
I remember in June of 2008 being at the gay Pride parade here in Chicago and talking to a man named David Valkema from the Log Cabin Republicans a classic Cocktail Partier. He said and I will never, ever forget this Sometimes we run a guy we just want to get rid of so we can be done with him for good. No one wants McCain to win, and I hope Obama wins, because hell be a new Jimmy Carter and then we can have a new Reagan later. He said that McCain could have his run and have the one and done shot at a national campaign and then the party would be able to tell him to shut up and go away, much like what it did to Bob Dole after his spectacular loss.
Perhaps the Cocktail Party isnt a fan of Romneys so much as they want to make him go away for good, and the best way to do this is to give him the nomination, watch him lose, and then be able to exile him and his supporters from the party. This could involve evangelicals wanting to make villains of Mormons on some level, and perhaps set them up for blame when Obama gets a second term in a year that Republicans should win.
You can spend all day rolling these kinds of scenarios around in your head and Ill spend at least part of the morning doing just that with the Tea Party folks Ill be meeting with.
While Im up to that, Id love to know what you think of the above
particularly the David Valkema comment from Pride regarding being eager to be done with McCain for good and how that might shed light on all the bizarre efforts (including voter fraud in Maine and Iowa) that are pushing Romney to the nomination when few Republicans on the ground want this born loser to be the standard bearer.
We used to hear that kind of thing here before Palin and the tea party, I still don't feel comfortable speaking about how FR has been or is, as someone who has't been here so long, but it seems to me that we are a little more focused on and confident of, being able to make things change.
We don't have so many guys talking about the inevitable, and the unchangeable, the unbreakable conspiracies, the uselessness which only leaves cynicism and bitterness to cling to, we seem to think that we have a real shot at change, and at winning, it seems to me that we are more aggressive and now we are part of a wider, stronger, more confident, and capable, and better led, conservative movement.
Something’s going on, and it is definitely not for the betterment of the Grand Old Party!
quote from FR poster conservativejoy:
If some of the GOP insiders in PA know what they are talking about, a brokered convention is not going to happen.
Word around Pittsburg is that the GOP E has already brokered a deal between Santorum and Romney.
As far as the GOP is concerned, the only thing the primaries are deciding is who is going to take the top of the ticket.
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Heads up. Rumor of a deal between Romney and Santorum camps. This person claims to have knowledge of this deal through an old established PA family who are pro-Romney but despise Santorum (for unstated reasons).
If this is true it throws the whole primary into turmoil.
For more information, see: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-gop/2848107/posts
Begins around #7
I agree perfectly.
If the Republicans had wanted to win, they would have run the most credentialed nominee they could find and they would have run as hard as they can.
I think they are afraid of holding the financial bag and being blamed for the economic situation of 2012-2016. If the Republicans won 2012, and everything goes to pot, they know that the media will work hard to ensure that the Republicans are held responsible, even if we know it won’t be.
It’s my guess that the Republicans are hoping for a 2012 loss so there is no way to spin a good Democratic yarn about how it is not their fault.
At this point, the Republicans will run a superstar and hope to get both the House and Senate to boot. I honestly believe, if they win in 2016, they will at that point do some strong reforms, if they do have control of everything.
That’s why they don’t want Newt to win and are doing everything they can to beat him.
I’ve always thought Santorum was running for VP, with the added “benefit” of blocking Newt for Milt.
I don't even think bringing on someone as spectacular as Sarah Palin as VP could drag McCain across the finish line...
Yes. I’ve skipped around FR and found talk from those who live in PA, and it seems to be a known fact in that state.
In researching Santorum it became obvious the man is ambitious, greedy and without any sense of honor. People from PA say he is determined to be on the ticket, and if that means throwing his delegates to the pro-abortion, pro- gay agenda supporting Romney, St. Rick will do just that!
It has occurred to me that the GOP wouldn’t want this to leak out, as it may deflate Santorum’s surge and result in Gingrich gaining enormously during Super Tuesday. Many people support Santorum but hate Romeny, and vice-versa.
And along the way of losing Dole, McCain and Romney we also lose the Country,sounds like a Plan.
So all the talk of the Country about to Collapse is just scare tactics or The Party we are supposed to support is plotting to let the country collapse just so they wont be Blamed, but millions of people will have their lives destroyed. Sounds rational to me,What a Great Country
Certainly plausible and would partially explain why the R’s never took the gloves off when it came to 0bama’s past. But a funny thing happned on the way to the convention..McCain picked Sarah Palin as his running mate. And she took the gloves off where they wouldn’t/couldn’t..and they (the cocktail party) expended at least as much energy running against her as they did 0bama.
The scare is very real. If the problems aren’t taken care of, you could be facing a decades long depression. That is very real.
However, if the people aren’t ready for tough measures, they will blame the party in power for doing the necessary steps, as if that party was responsible for heartlessly cutting social programs or greedily raising taxes.
Also, thanks to a treasonous media who will not tell the truth, the media will do everything in its power to blame the Republicans for the mess. Remember 1996 to 1999, when those four years led to balanced budgets and even a bit of debt repayment?
Guess who got blamed for that one, for not jacking up entitlements and cutting people off of welfare? Zero credit for putting the books back together.
I know it sucks, but I think the Republicans do want to fix this country, but they don’t want to wear a generation of blame for hurting dependent people. If they do, they will be out of real power for years to come and the Democrats will rule for a generation, getting lauded for fixing the financial problems without having lifted a single pencil to do it.
"Americans love a winner and will not tolerate a loser. Gen George Patton, 31 May 1944
The establishment hated this man and did everything in their power to minimize him through the press. Was he a premidona? Hell yes, he wore it with pride but he would not spin the truth. The establishment is playing the same stupid game with this election as well. They know that Romney does not have the stones or the support from within the crony establishment insiders who fund his campaign and Super PACs to do the tough things necessary to turn things around. We already know the next four years are going to be tougher than the last four but the ship will never start to turn unless the rudder is turned. They are vested in keeping the money spigot flowing in their direction only and will destroy anyone who proposes a plan to do otherwise. Only the true conservatives have the answer to taking the steering locks out of the wheelhouse and until the general electorate figure this out, we will stay headed directly at the icebergs ahead.
So the answer is to just let it all go to hell in a hand basket? Well guess what Chicken Little? Republicans will get the blame anyway because they will be shown to have had the answers but were to chicken to ring the bell. Refer back to my earlier quote from Patton. Rising with him on the same theme is Adm. David Farragut.
Hate to break it to you, but Santorums tax returns show he earned $923,000 last year
He lives in an inflation-value-boosted upper MIDDLE CLASS NoVa tract mansion woth less than a million
Now, that may seem rich unless you live here in the DC area, but that is not “greedy and ambitious “ by any standards here
In fact that would make him one of the most modestly financially successful people to run for potus
There are actually idiots in PA who ate up the democrat campaign that Santorum, living in VA as a Senator from PA, enrolled his kids in a homeschool-based online PA charter school at PA resident rates, as an example of his “greed”
Oh then there is the “K street project” (muttered darkly as if Santorum was pulling down $90M bonus from Fanny - oh wait that was Frank Raines never mind)
“K Street”, that dastardly partisan effort by lobbies to get REPUBLICANS hired by local policy wonks so that REPUBLICANS would influence govt policy
oh the humanity
Isn’t that wonderful?
The truth of the matter is that unless the good people of America have a real appreciation of the situation and the danger, it’s almost a waste of time for the Republicans to do anything, because if they were willing to fall on their swords and martyr themselves for the cause of righting America, the lack of appreciation of the people would ensure it’s 1996-1999 all over again. 2012-2016 would just be another aberration of a long-continued path towards national bankruptcy.
Do you love me now, for spelling it out to you? :)
Sure I love you brother, but I also think you are very wrong. If you look at it closer, the Republicans vs the republicans (notice the little R) is what is wrong with the whole picture. The GOP-e is nothing more than the good cop - bad cap assimilation with the socialist Democrats to bleed us into a two class society. Shall I say anymore than what we hear from establishment types such as Orin Hatch, Mitch McConnell, John Boehnor, et al, who before making any kind of comment always blurts out “My good friends on the other side of the aisle” qualifier?
That is their protective cover phrase to their colleagues they are about to follow with a veiled critique that is not to be taken seriously and only uttered for the consumption of the masses.
My point is that I have ceased to give a rats petookie about the establishment, especially the Republicans, in that they care a whit about the future of our country and only care about the future of their power to rule over us. Face it, the establishment rides in and drives the bus and We the People are nothing more than the fuel to get them where they want to go, total domination of the dumasses.
This whole American experiment has been the saddle burr in elitists pants for a long time and they are just about to kill it. We don’t have until 2016 to turn the rudder and at times I wonder if we have until January 20, 2013.
"Two men enter - one man leaves..."
One of the underlying premises assumes that the Republican Party establishment has a long-term, strategic plan. This basic assumption is false. The Republcan Party establishment couldn’t find its @ss with both hands and a roadmap.
DING DING DING the WINNAH!
Good image of the GOP's resolve to fight:
Well the press is going to blame the Republicans in either Case, so according to that we lose in either case,I would rather be in Power and not continue the path to Destruction,Some times a Coach should just sit by and let his Players do the Job and NOT THINK TO MUCH. This plotting and Planning to let the other guy get the Blame is for Cowards and Losers which is exactly what the Crop of Republicans we have been stuck with for a couple decades. I would rather go down fighting than sit by and play according to the other guys rules,WE WILL BE BLAMED ANYWAY. The Tea Party People, me and My Family Included, TWICE marched in Washington with Hundreds of thousands and the result was a Great Election Outcome,I will be Damned if I am going to sit by and say Let this Pig in the White House Win just so We THINK he is going to be Blamed,Case in Point is The Last 3 Years,If the Bastard isnt going to get blamed by Anybody,the Public or the Press after the Fiasco we are Witnessing now, What makes Anyone think that will Change after 4 More years of it!
Did Santorum ever do anything illegal? Yes. He founded a charity which didnt register with the state of Pennsylvania as required under that states law.
Senator Santorum founded the Operation Good Neighbor Foundation, a charity that was actually a bit of a scam. In 2001, following up on a faith-based urban charity initiative around the 2000 GOP convention in Philadelphia, Santorum launched a charitable foundation. While in its first few years the charity cut checks to community groups for $474,000, Operation Good Neighbor Foundation had actually raised more than $1 million, from donors who overlapped with Santorums political fund raising. Where did the majority of the charitys money go?
In salary and consulting fees to a network of politically connected lobbyists, aides and fundraisers, including rent and office payments to Santorums finance director Rob Bickhart, later finance chair of the Republican National Committee.
This charity (2001-07), doled out just 36% of income as grants, far less than the 75% of responsible causes. It can only be coincidence the charity which spent most of its money on lobbyists, aides and fundraisers closed after he was defeated for reelection in 2006.
Note: my file on Santorum is now 24 pages long. This is really sad, and most Republicans are getting suckered into believing this man is decent.
I will not vote for Santorum. When a middle-class citizen is elected to Congress and returns home 12 plus years later a multi-millionaire, it is due to corruption in government.
We have to change Washington in order to get our nation back on the right track.
I am a Conservative Republican who will vote for all other Republicans down ticket, but not for either Romney (really a liberal Democrat), Santorum (corrupt), nor for Paul (a Libertarian).