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David Frum - Conservatives: Do You Really Want to Do This to Your Party? (Santorum)
The Daily Beast ^ | March 14, 2012 | David Frum

Posted on 03/14/2012 8:04:48 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

After tonight, Newt Gingrich has to be considered finished. You don't get to be the nominee if you don't win primaries, and if Gingrich can't win Alabama and Mississippi, it's hard to imagine any other state in the country where he can win.

While Gingrich may remain some kind of factor, in almost every remaining state, this race devolves to a Romney-Santorum battle.

That's great news for Santorum, who has been hoping and yearning for a two-man race.

It's acceptable news for Romney, who knows that party donors and insiders dread a Santorum candidacy as likely to lead to a 300+ electoral vote Obama blow-out.

And it raises this question for Republican party conservatives: Is Rick Santorum really the place where they want to place their hopes?

The Santorum candidacy pushes Republicans toward an election in which the issues are religious, cultural, and sexual, not economic. It's a candidacy that pushes the party away from metropolitan areas, away from areas of growing population, and rebases the party everywhere that is not dynamic, not growing. The concerns of hard-pressed America are deeply worthy of attention and respect. They call for responses and solutions. That's not what a Santorum candidacy offers. (As we've seen with the Santorum proposals to spur manufacturing with one single change in tax law, this is not a policy-serious campaign.) Instead, a Santorum candidacy offers an airing of resentments and grievances. Is that really where party conservatives want to go?


TOPICS: Pennsylvania; Campaign News; Parties
KEYWORDS: davidfrum; frum; frumscum; frumspew; gope; gopedope; kenyanbornmuzzie; mittromney; newt; newtgingrich; obama; pennsylvania; ricksantorum; romney; romneyspew; santorum; vichyrepublicans
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1 posted on 03/14/2012 8:04:51 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The Santorum candidacy pushes Republicans toward an election in which the issues are religious, cultural, and sexual, not economic.

The media will make sure this is what happens.

2 posted on 03/14/2012 8:08:17 PM PDT by Doofer (Still, a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
There isn't a conservative party. There is a republican party. They aren't the same.

/johnny

3 posted on 03/14/2012 8:08:40 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The republican party doesn’t belong to conservatives so Frum’s comment has no real meaning beyond what it is. An attempt to manipulate conservatives to vote the way he thinks they should.


4 posted on 03/14/2012 8:08:57 PM PDT by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If this nit wit loser Frum is spinning off his axis over Santorum, that is just one more reason I like him. Frums a joke.


5 posted on 03/14/2012 8:09:40 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Comments?

Yeah. When your enemy offers you advice, he hopes you'll be stupid enough to take it. The Democrats are hoping to run against Mitt Romney so they can enjoy total immunity for ObamaCare. The idea of a GOP nominee who rallies the Conservative base with plain talk about Freedom and Values and the outright repeal of ObamaCare scares them to death. Sadly, it also scares the elites of Socialist Party B, the Republican Party.

6 posted on 03/14/2012 8:11:39 PM PDT by Always A Marine
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To: Doofer

Santorum will help.

He’s counting on the pro-life vote to see him through.


7 posted on 03/14/2012 8:15:23 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

They keep trying to herd us like we are cattle; at this point though we are many we are more like cats...

Cattle once you get them going in the right direction don’t take much- they follow the leader.

Cats, on the other hand cannot be herded.


8 posted on 03/14/2012 8:16:10 PM PDT by One Name (Go to the enemy's home court and smoke his ass.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Romneybot Frum dismisses Gingrich. Which explains why Gingrich must stay in the race. If Gingrich is out, Romney will have the nomination wrapped up.


9 posted on 03/14/2012 8:16:10 PM PDT by iowamark (The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, But in ourselves)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

David Frum is NO conservative. The Establishment always want a moderate to run. Enuf of Doles, Bushes, and McCains.


10 posted on 03/14/2012 8:16:18 PM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The only reason Gingrich is even in this race is to siphon off votes from Santorum. Seriously, you gotta know that Romney is paying Gingrich to stay in the race.


11 posted on 03/14/2012 8:19:06 PM PDT by rivercat
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To: Always A Marine

“Sadly, it also scares the elites of Socialist Party B, the Republican Party.”

Hooo! wooo! wooo! Be afraid Rove...


12 posted on 03/14/2012 8:19:06 PM PDT by Carthego delenda est
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
OK, so if Newt really is toast then it is on to Santorum.

Go Vesty.

Rick for CIC!


13 posted on 03/14/2012 8:19:36 PM PDT by garjog
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Well somebody gets it. I have been saying this ever since he won the 3 nothing states that nobody else competed in. I have never understood how any thinking person could vote for this empty suit. He comes across like a whiny sanctimonious 5th grader. There was one true accomplished adult conservative in the race who could articulate the issues and the supposedly conservative base turned their backs on him to support a born again charismatic holier than thou Catholic (and yes I am a pro-life Catholic) with a big government establishment voting record.

Pray for a brokered convention.


14 posted on 03/14/2012 8:19:42 PM PDT by redangus
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Is Rick Santorum really the place where they want to place their hopes?

In the case of this conservative, yes.

15 posted on 03/14/2012 8:20:25 PM PDT by Ingtar
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"Comments?"

Fluke you Frum.

16 posted on 03/14/2012 8:20:46 PM PDT by YHAOS (you betcha!)
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To: Carthego delenda est

“Hooo! wooo! wooo! Be afraid Rove...” add verbrato between the ‘o’s.


17 posted on 03/14/2012 8:22:13 PM PDT by Carthego delenda est
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks 2ndDivisionVet.
"So tell me how Santorum had anything to do with the '10 PA Senate election? Reagan supported former Rat Specter before Santorum did. Should we blame him as well for the party switch even though he wasn't around either?" -- Thanks Lazlo in PA

Is Santorum ready for the fire to come his way? 46 posted on 02/08/2012 3:24:02 PM PST by Lazlo in PA

18 posted on 03/14/2012 8:22:31 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Daid Frum - Conservatives: Do You Really Want to Do This to Your Party?

Daid? What an unusual name for a man. Sounds either Irish or Welsh.

19 posted on 03/14/2012 8:24:07 PM PDT by Isabel C.
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“In matters of taste, swim with the current. In matters of principle, stand like a rock.”
Thomas Jefferson

If Frum says, `Ja’ I say `Nay.’
Captain Rom needs conservative galley slaves so he can water-ski?
He can get the National Review, Weekly Standard and Wall Street Journal to row, & Skeletor Ann can lead the cheers.

Conservatives: No Mama, no Papa, no Party, no Uncle Sam.

“Comments?”
Get on board the Love Boat with Captain Frum?
Hey, Dave—you !*#%ing “crunchy con”—you can kiss the only part of my *** that isn’t white!

I’d better stop now before I say what I’m really thinking.


20 posted on 03/14/2012 8:24:25 PM PDT by tumblindice ( our new, happy lives)
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To: redangus

“Pray for a brokered convention.”

I really wanted Newt, but he just isn’t winning.

How will a brokered convention really help us? If things keep going as they are Romulus will get it or be so close an alternative candidate won’t be offered.

Has this happened in the past?

I am thinking that now that Newt is going down, we have no alternative but to start support Ricky. Where else can we turn?


21 posted on 03/14/2012 8:24:30 PM PDT by garjog
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The only thing that makes me smile is that Ron Paul won’t be the nominee!


22 posted on 03/14/2012 8:26:25 PM PDT by Randy Larsen (No Romney vote from my family!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yes.


23 posted on 03/14/2012 8:27:04 PM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Randy Larsen

Then “you don’t love the constitution” do you? LOL


24 posted on 03/14/2012 8:29:29 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ich habe keinen Konig aber Gott)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

No. I don’t. I want to see Newt in the White House.


25 posted on 03/14/2012 8:30:41 PM PDT by Maceman (Liberals' only problem with American slavery is that the slaves were privately owned.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Not the way the Ron Paul backers do...:)


26 posted on 03/14/2012 8:31:21 PM PDT by Randy Larsen (No Romney vote from my family!)
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To: tumblindice

“I’d better stop now before I say what I’m really thinking.”

-tumblindice

Why not state Frum for what he is?


27 posted on 03/14/2012 8:31:51 PM PDT by Carthego delenda est
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I can’t stand Frum. But that is what is going to happen.

We will be running on Bishop Rick’s social agenda because he has no real economic reform to offer. He’s a big government guy who wants the Nanny to be a Catholic rather than a social marxist. I’d take Rick’s nanny over Obama’s slut nanny.


28 posted on 03/14/2012 8:34:15 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: redangus
Pray for a brokered convention.

I share your desire, but not the word that you use to describe it. The word "brokered" carries a negative connotation that is aimed at making us believe that we must choose our nominee before the Convention or face disaster. Hogwash - choosing nominees is what conventions are for!

What I desire is an open convention, with Mitt Romney at 40 and the Not-Mitt Romneys at 60%. After the first ballot, the delegates will be free to choose our nominee. That's why they're there, and I'll support the nominee.

29 posted on 03/14/2012 8:35:54 PM PDT by Always A Marine
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To: SaraJohnson

We’re screwed.


30 posted on 03/14/2012 8:39:54 PM PDT by mylife
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To: iowamark

“Romneybot Frum dismisses Gingrich. Which explains why Gingrich must stay in the race. If Gingrich is out, Romney will have the nomination wrapped up.”

You got it, Mark.

GO NEWT!


31 posted on 03/14/2012 8:41:23 PM PDT by llandres (Forget the "New America" - restore the original one!!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“The Santorum candidacy pushes Republicans toward an election in which the issues are religious.... “

Whatever “religious” attacks may be made against Santorum by the ‘rats, they will be -nothing- compared to the anti-Mormon attacks made on Mr. Romney by the left and by the media.

Mr. Frum, get a clue.


32 posted on 03/14/2012 8:42:21 PM PDT by Road Glide
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
SANTORUM BLACK POWER, YO, BRO
33 posted on 03/14/2012 8:42:34 PM PDT by FrankR
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To: Always A Marine
choosing nominees is what conventions are for! What I desire is an open convention...

I agree with you.

34 posted on 03/14/2012 8:42:36 PM PDT by marron
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Frum is another Romniac who has made it a point to trash Palin, tea partyers, and conservatives in general.

The fact that a guy like him supports Romney is yet more indication that Romney is bad news.

When Palin was being trashed without mercy... by Repubs no less, I said that I would take notice who her attackers wound up working for, and I would never support that person. Surprise, surprise, they almost all turn out to be working for Romney.


35 posted on 03/14/2012 8:46:13 PM PDT by marron
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Why is it always conservatives “who are doing this to their party”?

Why are the conservatives always the problem? Could they not just be REACTING to the people in the party causing the problems?

It’s time to start rejecting these premises by, frankly, liberals pretending to be open-minded compromise whores, that I believe want to be seen as great peacemakers and thus, feel they are the real powerbrokers that get the deals “done”.


36 posted on 03/14/2012 8:49:13 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Isabel C.
Daid? What an unusual name for a man. Sounds either Irish or Welsh.

Neither. It's Arabic--a place near Dubai.

التصويت لسانتوروم!

37 posted on 03/14/2012 8:51:23 PM PDT by Fiji Hill (Io Triumphe!)
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To: Carthego delenda est
you said...
"“Hooo! wooo! wooo! Be afraid Rove...” add verbrato between the ‘o’s."

hmmmm, verbrato. Would that be a pulsating verb? You do know what a portmanteau is right?

I think the term you were searching for is vibrato.

Okay, you asked for it. (sorry safari and IE users, this will not play for you...):

“Hooo! wooo! wooo! Be afraid Rove...”

38 posted on 03/14/2012 8:51:47 PM PDT by jurroppi1
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The Santorum candidacy pushes Republicans toward an election in which the issues are religious, cultural, and sexual, not economic.

In this election the issues are religious, cultural, sexual, as well as economic. And constitutional. Most people know that.

39 posted on 03/14/2012 8:54:01 PM PDT by marron
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
They said the same thing, and mocked the same thing, about Ronald Reagan in 1980.

I don't pay no never mind about it.

Shows they are scared. GOOD.

40 posted on 03/14/2012 8:54:04 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Same MSM pimping Mitt as "top electable" to naive GOP voters will be the one to DISMANTLE him later)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Yep. Frum would rather run Ford, Dole, or McCain and get trounced in a civilized manner.


41 posted on 03/14/2012 8:55:08 PM PDT by wolf24
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To: redangus

“There was one true accomplished adult conservative in the race who could articulate the issues and the supposedly conservative base turned their backs on him to support a born again charismatic holier than thou Catholic”

Yes, I’m still incredulous over it.

We need a brokered/contested convention, much to the establishment’s consternation.

I bear no ill will toward Santorum, but he can’t win. Our #1 mission is to get BHO out, and that requires cold objectivity. Romney is a sitting duck as well.

If Newt were the nominee, the media couldn’t ignore him or shut him down, and the masses would get to hear him.

He’d win.


42 posted on 03/14/2012 8:55:40 PM PDT by llandres (Forget the "New America" - restore the original one!!)
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To: One Name

“Cats, on the other hand cannot be herded”.

Poor Kitty.


43 posted on 03/14/2012 9:02:33 PM PDT by perchprism (To those about to revolt, we salute you.)
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To: jurroppi1

“I think the term you were searching for is vibrato.”

Re:”Hooo! wooo! wooo! Be afraid Rove...”

Thanks!


44 posted on 03/14/2012 9:05:50 PM PDT by Carthego delenda est
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Is that really where party conservatives want to go?

Perhaps, David, you should look at it like this: We don't want to go Romney's way.

45 posted on 03/14/2012 9:15:59 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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Comments?

Frum is a complete asshat. ..About the last guy conservatives should listen to.

46 posted on 03/14/2012 9:18:11 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

FU Frum.


47 posted on 03/14/2012 9:21:19 PM PDT by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Isn’t this hoser now an Obama backer?


48 posted on 03/14/2012 9:22:12 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (Time for brokered convention)
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To: rivercat
Newt has NO love for Romney! Neither does Santorum or any other person who has been the object of his dirty tricks. If Romney gets the nomination, I assure you, he will get little help from the base to get him across the finish line. They may vote for him, but they will not make calls, pound the pavement and GTVO. And that is a killer for a loser like Romney.

Romney has made as many enemies in the Republican Party as he is likely to make in the Democrat Party.

49 posted on 03/14/2012 9:32:16 PM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: redangus
I have been saying this ever since he won the 3 nothing states that nobody else competed in.

A few days ago I made fun of that, and a Gingrich supporter took my head off claiming that Gingrich was actually praising Santorum for being smart enough to compete for those states, not calling them "nothing states".

Republicans need to compete in Colorado to win the Presidency. Your dismissal of that state, and worse, Missouri, doesn't make your opinion very credible. It would be nice to win the Minnesota Senate race as well, the 3rd state you dismiss as "nothing".

50 posted on 03/14/2012 9:41:04 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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