Skip to comments.If The GOP Needed Palin To Stir The Base In 2008, They'll Need Two Palins in 2012
Posted on 03/16/2012 10:34:47 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
Gallup, the pollster of record, and its chairman, Frank Newport, have some bad news for the Republican party this year theyre less enthusiastic about the present GOP presidential field than they were about Sen. John McCain in 2008. Fortunately for Republican voters, they already know this.
Tenuous Republican frontrunner Mitt Romney inspires the most confidence of the GOP field this year, though that remains a dubious distinction since his support remains tepid. 35 percent of voters said that they will enthusiastically head to the polls to cast their ballot for the former Massachusetts governor if he becomes the partys nominee while 42 percent said that they would vote for Romney but just to vote against President Obama.
(POLL GRAPHIC AT LINK)
Interestingly, Romney received precisely the same numbers in a January 30 February 2, 2008 poll. His chief rival for the 2008 nomination, Sen. John McCain who suffered through a lack of confidence among base Republican voters throughout the primary season, received strong support by comparison. 47 percent of Republicans said they would enthusiastically vote for McCain in 2008 while 35 percent said they would reluctantly vote for him over Obama.
This year, Romneys chief rivals fare no better. Santorum inspires the confidence of only 34 percent of Republicans while 40 percent would vote for him but unenthusiastically. Newt Gingrich receives the enthusiastic support of only 28 percent while 41 percent would vote for him albeit unenthusiastically.
The Positive Intensity Score of the various Republican candidates that have at one point or presently occupy frontrunner status has been gradually waning over the course of the protracted GOP presidential primary.
In Gallup's early March measurement, Santorum had a Positive Intensity Score of +15, Romney +13, and Gingrich +4, writes Newport. By contrast, a number of other potential GOP candidates in 2011 at various times had Positive Intensity Scores in the +20 range, with Herman Cain's +34 at one point the highest measured.
Republican voters are all too aware of their depressing circumstances. Few GOP voters express unqualified enthusiasm for one candidate or the other (those that do are suspect).
The enthusiasm gap between Democrats and Republicans as the general election approaches still favors Republicans they are motivated to get Obama out of the White House behind whoever wins the nomination. However, if Obama can overcome the malaise within his own base voters, and the election comes down to turnout, the GOPs general lack of enthusiasm for their given candidate could be fatal in November.
So who is the second Sarah? Rubio?
Gallup may be correct in detecting less enthusiasm among republican voters for their candidates.
However Gallup is completely missing the boat. The dislike of Obama by republicans in 2012 is 200% higher than in 2008. And to make matters even worse for Obama, there is also less enthusiasm, disappointment and despair among democrat voters, except perhaps union members.
Yes. Yes they do.
I'll settle for a Palin and a Newt, however. Or Palin and Santorum in a pinch.
Romney will have to find a conservative to run as his VP to try and keep the conservative voters on board. He'll no doubt find someone. It worked for McCain, sort of. Conservatives who said they wouldn't vote for McCain ever agreed to vote for her. McCain lost, but Palin saved him from an utter blow-out.
Romney needs to find someone to save him from complete humiliation.
Wouldn't it be better to just go with a Palin straight away, and skip the McCains and Romneys and all of that ilk?
Sure would. There's still a chance that she may step up to the plate. I sure as hell hope she does, because this thing looks like it's Obama's to lose.
Gov. Scott Walker of Wisconsin.
Scott Walker would be great.
Palin should run to unseat Sen. Moosecowski or Begich the democrat Alaskan Senator..
Rubio is a “moderate”, a Romney guy.
The problem for the republican party is that so many conservatives cannot vote for Mitt Romney, no matter what.
I don’t know what the final percentage would be, but it is significant.
How about a Sarah/Todd ticket?
The McCain/Palin ticket was up ++4 to 10 pts
in some polls, days prior to Election 2008.
So rather than helping the GOP, Romney and
TeamROMNEY and the RNME (Republican National Media Establishment)
decided to attack Gov. Palin to throw Election2008.
Romney, and the Van der Sloot RNME RINOs for Obama in 2008
Late in October, The American Spectator's The Prowler revealed:
"Former Mitt Romney presidential campaign staffers
have been involved in spreading anti-Palin spin to reporters, seeking to diminish her standing after the election.
'Sarah Palin is a lightweight, she won't be the first, not even the third, person people will think of when it comes to 2012,'
says one former Romney aide
'The only serious candidate ready to challenge to lead the Republican Party is Mitt Romney.
"Some former Romney aides were behind the recent leaks to media, including CNN, that Governor Sarah Palin was a 'diva' and was going off message intentionally."
The Palmetto Scoop reported: "One of the first stories to hit the national airwaves was
the claim of a major internal strife between close McCain aides and the folks handling his running mate Sarah Palin."
"Im told by very good sources that this was indeed the case and that a rift had developed, but it was between Palins people and the staffers brought on from the failed presidential campaign of former Gov. Mitt Romney, not McCain aides."
"The sources said nearly 80 percent of Romneys former staff was absorbed by McCain and these individuals were responsible for what amounts to a premeditated, last-minute sabotage of Palin."
aides loyal to Romney inside the McCain campaign, said The Scoop, reportedly saw
that Palin would be a serious contender for the Republican nomination in 2012 or 2016, which made her a threat to another presidential quest by Romney.
"These staffers are now out trying to finish her off .hoping it would ingratiate themselves with Mitt Romney."
"Who's the Palin Leaker from the McCain Campaign?
National Review Online The publication of a Vanity Fair profile of Sarah Palin
appears to have opened old wounds in the McCain campaign.
... the source of the Diva leak was Nicolle Wallaces husband."
We have no elected Conservative leaders... only theater to entertain the most disrespected and hated animals in all of the Kingdom... Conservatives..
Yes, he would... but the gop/e despises him... they would work to detroy him... but if he is drafted... I will be there.
Sarah, or one like her, will do fine in 2012 when the distinctions of leadership and principles will not be negotiable.
“Romney will have to find a conservative to run as his VP to try and keep the conservative voters on board.”
Assuming Romney is the nominee, Rubio would be wise to sit this one out. The US elected a young, inexperienced President in Obama. Rubio would do well to get a full term behind him in the Senate, with a true record of accomplishment as a Senator, before seeking national office. A premature run on a losing ticket could also destroy his future chances. If he works hard to become a player on the national scene in 2016, 2020, and 2024 he will be well positioned to run at the top of the ticket when demographics will give a Hispanic candidate even more appeal.
Rubio has seen how Palin was treated by the party as a newcomer who had not paid her dues. By staying in the Senate and building a strong network of allies inside Washington, Rubio can emerge in future years with strong support inside the beltway which will prove useful when a national campaign gets rough.
Romney’s ego will likely not allow him to put a conservative on his ticket who potentially will outshine him on the campaign trail. If Romney truly seeks to balance his ticket by running someone who can be positioned as a “southern conservative” he may look to Senator Richard Burr of North Carolina. Rationale:
1) North Carolina will be a pivotal state in 2012. The Republicans lost it in 2008. Rush spent much of Friday talking about NC’s importance and Obama’s focus on the state. The Democrat national convention will be in Charlotte in 2012 speaking to how important it is to the Dems. Putting a native son in the VP slot might be enough to overcome the demographic shifts pushing NC from red to blue.
2) Burr is a loyal party man. He was a freshman Congressman during the Gingrich revolution of 1994. He has quietly built his career supporting the party and President Bush. He is trusted by the establishment and based on his past behavior will cheerfully work in a supportive role where he doesn’t outshine the nominee. Karl Rove helped recruit Burr to run for the Senate and helped raise funds for his 2010 reelection campaign.
3) His voting record, with the major exception of voting in favor of repealing “Don’t ask don’t tell” is solidly conservative. The National Journal rates Burr the 7th most conservative Senator, with an 88.7% conservative vote score.
4) He has been married to the same woman for 27 years and there have been no hints of personal scandal. Assuming he and Romney have both been faithful husbands, there will be no personal scandal for the Dems and press to use to divert the attention of the public away from the failures of Obama.
5) He has proven his ability to be reelected both as a Congressman and Senator.
6) His long history in the House and Senate means he knows all of the players and how to get things done. For Romney, who has never served in Washington, Burr’s knowledge of the institutions and people, would be extremely valuable if the ticket is elected.
7) He is well liked and mild mannered. He will not be a polarizing figure to women or independents.
8) His pre political history is solidly middle class, not upper 1%. He was a sales manager for a distributing company for 17 years. His father was a minister. His middle class credentials will be a positive contrast when the Democrats paint Romney as a creature of Wall Street. He will appear to middle class voters as someone who worked hard, paid their dues, and earned his way in life without family money or connections.
9) Burr was reelected in 2010. Should a Romney/Burr ticket lose, the Republicans will not risk losing the NC Senate seat.
10) Burr is relatively unknown on the national stage so his national image can be defined by the campaign based on his record and behavior. It will be difficult for the media to paint him as a controversial figure or extremist.
11) He should have strong appeal to Christian value voters. He has opposed abortion. He attends church regularly. However, as a Methodist he cannot be portrayed by the press as a crazy evangelical.
12) He lined up to endorse Romney in December 2011, before the primary season began.
If Romney is the nominee he will want a safe running mate with solid conservative credentials who will happily play second fiddle. If that running mate also comes from a crucial swing state so much the better. If Rubio is perceived as critical to winning Florida’s 29 electoral votes, and Rubio will accept the position, he might get the nod. If Romney thinks he can win Florida without Rubio on the ticket, he is more likely to go for solid unknown southerner with impeccable credentials such as Richard Burr.
My preference is PALIN/BOLTON!
There is no second Sarah. There is only one.
" Sarah Palin is calling for an end to the lies she charges are being told about Newt Gingrichs history with Ronald Reagan.
Enough was enough when I started seeing rewritten history about Newt Gingrichs relationship with Ronald Reagan and the Reagan revolution in the 70s and in the 80s, she told Sean Hannity of Fox News Monday evening.
The former Alaska governor, who has not officially endorsed a candidate but has urged voters to vote for Gingrich, defended the lessons the former House speaker learned from Reagan, including on balancing the budget, reforming welfare, cutting taxes and downsizing the government.
When I saw that rewritten by some in the establishment, I said, you know, for what its worth, Im going to voice my opposition to that false narrative being rewritten, Palin said. That doesnt mean Im out there only boosting one candidate. Im going to continue to say good things about every GOP candidate because anybody is going to be better than Obama, but enough was enough about lies being told about Newt Gingrich and his relationship with Ronald Reagan and within the Reagan Revolution.
Earlier in the interview, the ex-vice presidential candidates suggested that the lies against Gingrich were largely coming from Mitt Romneys camp, saying the battle between the two candidates has gotten vicious.
Whether it is a PAC that is producing false narratives in ads or whether its false accusing another candidate themselves, they need to be called out. That is the politics of personal destruction, she said. Its not a bad thing to ask for fairness, fairness means just telling the truth and debating relevant ideas, relevant solutions. Not all this personal stuff. [end text]
Over the last week I’ve had the opportunity to watch “Game Change” and “The Undefeated.”
It was interesting to note striking similarities in how Gingrich and Palin were portrayed once they threatened the Establishment.
They’re “crazy,” “egotistic” and “power hungry.”
But prior to being labeled thus by their own party, they were heroes of reform and limited government.
Both had a barrage of ethics violations (that were later dismissed) aimed at them to force them to “quit.” Which they both did in the end to allow their party to govern.
Sarah Palin and Newt Gingrich are both feared by the Establishment. They are recognized as effective leaders, who will offer true conservative change.
This GOP Primary MUST go all the way to the floor in Tampa.
He is more humble, impressive and common-sensical than anyone gives him credit for.
He was the single most under-utlized asset in the 08' campaign.
He could have reached:
Union Workers, ATV'ers, Snowmobilers, Hunters, Fishermen, and Aviators and the McCain Camp sat their with their finger up their noses....
Thanks, I did not know that.
Nevere heard it reported once, even on Faux. They are such a disappointment. They “repeat verbadum” what the msm says. The love all over romney. He’s had one on one interviews for I don’t know how many days in a row. That might be good, because the more people see him, the more they can see how phoney both he and fox are. What would I give to have a real hard hitting news station. Rush, even though he wandered there a few days, but he came back.
Good post. Thanks for the thoughtful reply.
I think you’re right.. Todd is an asset little used..
WHo will use him tho.. he is an independant.. not a pubbie..
Two thirds of them(pubbies) are willing to vote for Santo or Willard.. both are Unions stooges...
You know like Barry Half-WHite..
No Newt..... Zero wins..
I hope the right team will prevail in Tampa. The Undefeated made me cry because I saw what our nation lost by not having her as the nominee. She’s been put through the wringer at every level she has served because she came in and reformed the system. What a blessing she would be to the Nation if she could clean house.
In spite of the enthusiasm factor in either parties, the only way Obama wins 4 more years is if by October 2012:
1. Gas prices drop to $3 area
2. Unemployment falls below 6.8%
3. Israel is pressured to postpone attack on nuclear sites in Iran through election.
If gas is around $4, unemployment is north of 8%, then even crazy uncle Paul beats Obama. My two college student kids have tons of friends and they are detecting 180 reversal from 2008 towards Obama.
They are not and have never been "Conservative”. fox was Conservative for the first decade or so... but then roger ailes fired Brit Hume's wife as News Director and overnight things started to change. They hire cnn rejects and pack their slate with progressives of every stripe. FnF's in the morning has become a parody of itself. I no longer turn their channel on unless something on FR alerts me to watch.
Sarah endorsed Rubio, you know that right? It’s pretty obvious you will never be happy. If Sarah ran and won, I have no doubts you would eventually find fault with her too. You are on my “will never be satisfied” ignore list. Have a good one.
Rubios voting record:
It is not your fault... or my fault... The LORD knows that I have tried to pull Conservatives together for years and I donate heavily to FR to keep this fine place alive and I have worked since I was 18 to elect Conservatives. I am not the enemy... but I no longer... after a lifetime of broken promises and falling for progressive politicians promising that they have changed... I will no longer follow that path to the end of the American dream.
Palin has not endorsed rubio for VP or President. She has not even officially endorsed Newt. She is a republican still... I am not... she still believes in the party... I do not... I am older than Palin and I was involved when she played basketball in High School. I am not a leader like Palin is... I do not have her skill set and I am not blessed with her abilities for public office. I am a Conservative American who wants the social fabric of this once great Republic restored... I want GOD back into our lives, our schools and our government. I want my politicians to be honest and not lifetime criminals in the crime families of the District of Corruption.
We are at the end of the road... we have maybe this one last election to get it right. This election has been wasted by the progressive republican leadership... just as they have had their hand in the destruction of the American Dream. rubio... the bushes... dole... mccain... romney... cantor... they are all political animals... they buy and sell power... they care only of themselves and their personal power and wealth. They despise Conservatives... but they need our money and our votes. They no longer have mine by default. I am not a perfectionist... but I refuse to go along and vote for the worst America has to offer and I am sick of sucking hind tit when it comes to the republican party.
I agree and I have said it here many times. We are NOT the United States, we could not be more divided. I have a solution but you wouldn't like it. Divorce!
The LORD knows that I have tried to pull Conservatives together for years and I donate heavily to FR to keep this fine place alive and I have worked since I was 18 to elect Conservatives. I am not the enemy.
So have I and I never said you were the "enemy" however I think you are wrong to aid and abet a second term for a Marxist that is hell bent on destroying this country. Cutting off your nose to spite your face, taking your ball and going home.
Palin has not endorsed rubio for VP or President. She has not even officially endorsed Newt.
She and Todd said they voted for Newt, how much more of an "endorsement" do you need? She did endorse Rubio when he ran for Senate
I am a Conservative American who wants the social fabric of this once great Republic restored... I want GOD back into our lives, our schools and our government. I want my politicians to be honest and not lifetime criminals in the crime families of the District of Corruption.
So am I and I want the same things. However, we should have stopped them at the dinner roll(will explain later). This didn't happen overnight. It has been happening bit by bit, piece by piece, little by little for decades. We can't turn it back over night and it may take decades to get back to where we were and it is probably going to be a long, arduous journey. 4 more years with a Marxist America hater in the White House is not going to help turn back the clock. If he gets a couple more appointed to the Supreme court, all that's left is for the fat lady to sing, for a generation!! You think the two progressive lesbos he appointed are bad, just wait until you see what he chooses if he is a lame duck. We may have to baby step it backward and giving him 4 more years just makes the long haul turning it around that much more difficult.
but Conservatives are also divided to the point that discussions can no longer take place concerning our candidate for the office of president.
Exactly the reason I chose to avoid those threads. I wanted Sarah. I was crushed when she chose not to run. I would have been ok with Perry although I don't like his stance on immigration. Then it was down to Newt or Cain. I jumped on the Cain train, that fizzled. I think Newt is brilliant and would drive the Kenyan crazy, and with a young, charismatic, conservative VP, I think he could beat him. However it doesn't look like he's going to make it. Rick Santorum is dead to me. He told Republicans to vote for o bama, he can KMA. I didn't like him before and like him even less now.... he's a social conservative but not a fiscal conservative. So that leave Paul and mittens. One is loony, the other is obamalite. So what are the choices? Like sarah said " ANYBODY BUT OBAMA".
We are at the end of the road... we have maybe this one last election to get it right.
That is why Barry Hussein Soetoro o bama MUST be defeated, Holder kicked to the curb along with Jarrett and all of his other criminal commies.
rubio... the bushes... dole... mccain... romney... cantor... they are all political animals...
Yes, they are and one thing will fix that ... TERM LIMITS!!!! NO PERKS!! You run to serve the people, not to get rich, get perks and serve yourself. You forgot DeMint in that list, he just endorsed mittens. Is it possible that people like Demint don't like mittens, but they realize our Republics survival depends on getting rid of that thing in the White House and all he brought with him? Do you think Sarah(who we both trust and love) will endorse the Kenyan over any GOP candidate? I'm done with the GOP just like you are. However, I will use them like they have used me, if they can get the Marxist out of the White House. I won't donate a dime to the GOP. I donate to conservative candidates, PERIOD! Rubio is a social conservative, his voting record speaks for itself. Whether he is a fiscal conservative remains to be seen.
but I refuse to go along and vote for the worst America has to offer
I agree 100% and the worst America has to offer is BarryBarak Hussein Soetoroobama, so get rid of him this November.
Once upon a time, I was invited to the White House for a private dinner with the President. I am a respected businessman, with a factory that produces memory chips for computers and portable electronics. There was some talk that my industry was being scrutinized by the administration, but I paid it no mind. I live in a free country. There’s nothing that the government can do to me if I’ve broken no laws. My wealth was earned honestly, and an invitation to dinner with an American President is an honor I checked my coat, was greeted by the Chief of Staff, and joined the President in a yellow dining room.
We sat across from each other at a table draped in white linen. The Great Seal was embossed on the china. Uniformed staff served our dinner. The meal was served, and I was startled when my waiter suddenly reached out, plucked a dinner roll off my plate, and began nibbling it as he walked back to the kitchen. “Sorry about that,” said the President. “Andrew is very hungry.” “I don’t appreciate...” I began, but as I looked into the calm brown eyes across from me, I felt immediately guilty and petty. It was just a dinner roll. “Of course,” I concluded, and reached for my glass. Before I could, however, another waiter reached forward, took the glass away and swallowed the wine in a single gulp. “And his brother Eric is very thirsty.” said the President.
The President is testing my compassion, I thought. I will play along. I don’t want to seem unkind. My plate was whisked away before I had tasted a bite. “Eric’s children are also quite hungry.” With a lurch, I crashed to the floor. My chair had been pulled out from under me. I stood, brushing myself off angrily, and watched as it was carried from the room. “And their grandmother can’t stand for long.” I excused myself, smiling outwardly, but inside feeling like a fool. Obviously I had been invited to the White House to be sport for some game.
I reached for my coat, to find that it had been taken. I turned back to the President.”Their grandfather doesn’t like the cold.” I wanted to shout- that was my coat! But again, I looked at the placid smiling face of my host and decided I was being a poor sport. I spread my hands helplessly and chuckled. Then I felt my hip pocket and realized my wallet was gone. I excused myself and walked to a phone on an elegant side table. I learned shortly that my credit cards had been maxed out, my bank accounts emptied, my retirement and equity portfolios had vanished, and my wife had been thrown out of our home. Apparently, the waiters and their families were moving in.
The President hadn’t moved or spoken as I learned all this, but finally I lowered the phone into its cradle and turned to face him. “Andrew’s whole family has made bad financial decisions. They haven’t planned for retirement, and they need a house. They recently defaulted on a subprime mortgage. I told them they could have your home. They need it more than you do.” My hands were shaking. I felt faint. I stumbled back to the table and knelt on the floor.
The President cheerfully cut his meat, ate his steak and drank his wine. I lowered my eyes and stared at the small grey circles on the tablecloth that were water drops.”By the way,” He added, “I have just signed an Executive Order nationalizing your factories. I’m firing you as head of your business. I’ll be operating the firm now for the benefit of all mankind. There’s a whole bunch of Erics and Andrews out there and they can’t come to you for jobs groveling like beggars.” I looked up. The President dropped his spoon into the empty ramekin which had been his creme brulee. He drained the last drops of his wine. As the table was cleared, he lit a cigarette and leaned back in his chair. He stared at me. I clung to the edge of the table as if were a ledge and I were a man hanging over an abyss.
I thought of the years behind me, of the life I had lived. The life I had earned with a lifetime of work, risk and struggle. Why was I punished? How had I allowed it to be taken? What game had I played and lost? I looked across the table and noticed with some surprise that there was no game board between us. What had I done wrong? As if answering the unspoken thought, the President suddenly cocked his head, locked his empty eyes to mine, and bared a million teeth, chuckling wryly as he folded his hands he said: “You should have stopped me at the dinner roll”.
DeMint does what he feels that he needs to do. He has made moves before that I disagree with. He endorsed romney in 2008. DeMint is a republican Senator... he has to uphold decorum... I am a nobody... I do not.
I support going our separate ways... for I KNOW that there can NEVER be compromise with socialism... and romney is one... or is so close to one that I can't tell the difference. I also fear that mitt facing a republican House and Senate will get through far more progressive big government policies than obama would... facing the same legislature. I saw what they gave and allowed Bush to do... and romney is not an outsider like Bush was... he is the gop/e.