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Kinzinger Defeats Manzullo in Illinois's 16th Congressional District Primary
Yahoo News ^ | March 20, 2012 | Scott Bland

Posted on 03/20/2012 9:14:42 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued

Rep. Adam Kinzinger, R-Ill., has defeated fellow Republican Rep. Don Manzullo in the state's 16th District GOP congressional primary.

The AP called the race for Kinzinger just after 11 p.m. Eastern time. With 85 percent of precincts reporting, Kinzinger led Manzullo 56 percent to 44 percent.

The race between Kinzinger and Manzullo, forced because Illinois lost a congressional seat and state Democrats controlled the redistricting process, followed a common tea party-against-establishment trend in recent GOP primaries. But the script flipped here, with 10-term veteran Manzullo garnering the bulk of the tea party and movement conservative support while Kinzinger, a freshman, lined up more establishment backing, including an endorsement from House Majority Leader Eric Cantor last week.

Kinzinger's victory not only ends Manzullo's congressional career but also represents a victory for Cantor, who came under harsh criticism with the rest of House GOP leadership this week for taking a public stand in Kinzinger's favor. After Cantor endorsed Kinzinger, the Cantor-affiliated YG Action Fund super PAC went up with $50,000 in pro-Kinzinger radio ads in the 16th District. Since then, Manzullo and other House Republicans have exploded with fury toward Cantor, while Speaker John Boehner and Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy have sought to distance themselves from Cantor's choice to pick sides. (McCarthy's leadership PAC also donated to Kinzinger after the merged seat matchup became likely, though, and Boehner's donated to Kinzinger last year before evening up to Manzullo just last week.)

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TOPICS: Illinois; Campaign News; U.S. Congress
KEYWORDS: adamkinzinger; cantor; donmanzullo; ericcantor; il2012; illinois; johnboehner; kevinmccarthy; kinzinger; manzullo

1 posted on 03/20/2012 9:14:48 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued
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To: Impy; BillyBoy; PhilCollins; SJackson; fieldmarshaldj; AuH2ORepublican; GOPsterinMA; randita; ...

Tonight was a good night for RINO’s. Manzullo will be missed, he’s served his country very well.


2 posted on 03/20/2012 9:16:38 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (A chameleon belongs in a pet store, not the White House)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks Clintonfatigued.


3 posted on 03/20/2012 9:22:48 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Agreed-—except he put a lot of blame on the Citizens United decision for his loss.


4 posted on 03/20/2012 9:44:18 PM PDT by bjcoop
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To: Clintonfatigued

Very disappointing.


5 posted on 03/20/2012 9:48:58 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj
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To: Clintonfatigued

This is bad news.


6 posted on 03/20/2012 11:17:26 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Carpetbagging RINO beats 10-term conservative. Republicans are sheeple.


7 posted on 03/20/2012 11:18:51 PM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: Clintonfatigued

Write in Manzullo.


8 posted on 03/20/2012 11:22:13 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: Clintonfatigued
Sad day for Congress. Don Manzullo was one who kept in touch with his constituency. Where were the conservative voters? Enjoying the sunny day.
9 posted on 03/21/2012 1:58:33 AM PDT by stars & stripes forever (Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord!)
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To: Clintonfatigued

How many dhimmicraps voted in the Republican primary this year?


10 posted on 03/21/2012 2:33:41 AM PDT by nuke rocketeer (File CONGRESS.SYS corrupted: Re-boot Washington D.C (Y/N)?)
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To: bjcoop; Dr. Sivana; Clintonfatigued; fieldmarshaldj; SunkenCiv; TBP; stars & stripes forever; ...
bjcoop:

Between the mountains of special interest money that Mittwit is using in a relentless campaign of lies and distortions to buy the POTUS nomination and the mountains of special interest money that this pathetic Kinzinger just spent to punish Don Manzullo (my excellent Congressman) for not going on autosmooch as to Eric Cantor's and John Boehner's butts, maybe Citizens United was a bad mistake. Kinzinger cannot lose in November in this, the most Republican district in Illinois but he will NEVER be my Congressman. There is at least one far worthier young officeholder in this district who ought to consider primarying Kinzinger next time and the actual conservatives in Illinois 16 should gather and prepare such a campaign.

This race has also separated the wheat from the chaff. It ought not be forgotten that Illinois Congress stooges Aaron Schock and John Shimkus supported Kinzinger.

If anyone out there wonders why Dick Durbin will probably be easily re-elected, remember this divisive race as planting the seeds of Durbin's triumphant march to re-election over a GOP divided by the RINOs as usual.

11 posted on 03/21/2012 2:47:11 AM PDT by BlackElk ( Dean of Discipline ,Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society. Burn 'em Bright!)
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To: Clintonfatigued; BillyBoy

If I lived in the 16th District, I don’t know whom I would have supported. I think that the majority of people, I know, supported Kinzinger, since he was supported by tea party groups, two years ago. They also supported Kinzinger becasue they thought that Manzullo has been a congressman too long.


12 posted on 03/21/2012 5:03:24 AM PDT by PhilCollins
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To: PhilCollins; BlackElk; Dr. Sivana; chicagolady; Impy; Clintonfatigued; AuH2ORepublican; Dengar01; ..

It was a no-brainer. Kinzinger may be new, but the voting record was clear. Manzullo has the most Conservative voting record in the IL delegation. With his almost 20 years of service, almost 96% pro-Conservative cumulative. Kinzinger scored a paltry 72%, the second worst of the IL freshmen, just ahead of Bob Dold’s dreadful liberal 44% (which, sadly, tied with Judy Biggert’s liberal % — sorry, Vic).

If Kinzinger were representing the Kirk/Dold district, I wouldn’t particularly have a big problem, but beating Manzullo in a district like that as a supposed Tea Partier ? The 16th lost an excellent Congressman (not to mention his seniority, which Kinzinger will probably never duplicate, and if he does, not for the overall positive good as Manzullo did).

Perhaps as BlackElk said, we can sack Kinzinger in 2 years (especially if he doesn’t shape up, and being an Establishment lackey is a BAD sign that he won’t). Maybe Manzullo can make a comeback, but he’ll be 70 in 2014, perhaps unlikely.


13 posted on 03/21/2012 5:46:36 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj
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I agree that Manzullo is a solid conservative congressman, but I’m not sure if I’m convinced by the narrative that Kinzinger is a RINO Combiner. True, his one-year ACU score was pretty lousy, but that’s a rather small sample. And Kinzinger was supported by many conservative groups, including one led by Congressman Eric Cantor, so I can’t imagine that he’s that bad. Given that Kinzinger is much younger than Manzullo, and could conceivably become a statewide candidate someday (although I’d much rather groom Pete Roskam for a statewide run), I can see conservatives supporting Kinzinger over Manzullo even if Manzullo is a bit more conservative than Kinzinger.

The question remains, are we talking about an A for Manzullo versus a B+ for Kinzinger, or is it really an a for Manzullo versus a C- for Kinzinger? In other words, is Kinzinger a Jerry Weller, or is he a Tim Johnson?


14 posted on 03/21/2012 6:37:08 AM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll protect your rights?)
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To: Impy
Impy, I think it was you who had surmised that the redrawn IL-16 was the first IL CD to run from the WI border to the IN border since the days in which IL had only a few CDs. That made sense to me, but I just ran across what is purported to be a map of the IL-11 as used from 1903 to 1949 (when IL had 25 CDs and elected one or two at-large Representatives as well), and it includes both McHenry and Will Counties:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illinois%27s_11th_congressional_district

15 posted on 03/21/2012 6:49:48 AM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll protect your rights?)
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To: AuH2ORepublican

I agree with you, about Rep. Roskam. I hope that he’ll run for the U.S. Senate, in 2014. I hope that his replacement, in Congress, would be Jim Ryan, John Millner, Kirk Dillard, or Carole Pankau. If all four of them run, the primary turnout would be higher, helping conservative Republicans, in other races, including governor and the state legislature.


16 posted on 03/21/2012 7:10:53 AM PDT by PhilCollins
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To: BlackElk

You need to find a credible third candidate who is genuinely conservative. if that means a Democrat wins the district, at least the RINOs get slapped and in just two years, you can nominate and elect a genuinely conservative Republican.


17 posted on 03/21/2012 9:06:54 AM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: TBP; Dr. Sivana
TBP:

It might be even simpler than that. There is no Demonrat running in this district which has to be one of the most Republican (but seldom bossed or bought) in the nation.

The filing deadline for third party or unaffiliated candidacies is apparently June 4, 2012. I do seem to remember that Illinois MAY have a "sore loser" law that might prevent Don from running in 2012 in which case David Hale, head of the Rockford Tea Party, should run or recruit a suitably capable and electable candidate. Personally, I would love to see Don Manzullo run as an unaffiliated candidate (or specifically as a Tea Party candidate) and to appeal to the many Rockford Democrat voters who have retained their jobs because Don fought for them and to the many Tea Party groups in that part of the new district that that Kinzinger has represented for the last two years and wantonly betrayed. If we have a "sore loser" law, then he should publicly and vocally manage the candidacy of a Hale or a Hale designee with Hale as co-manager. Kinzinger was on the radio this morning whining about being called a RINO and deriding the term and vowing to "investigate" a veterans' PAC that pointed out that one of his votes may jeopardize the lives of soldiers in the field. First Amendment, anyone???

If such an "unaffiliated" candidate were to run this year and win, it would be a golden result, and if that candidate were to lose, then the candidate could start the next campaign on the first Wednesday after the first Tuesday after the first Monday in November, 2012, for 2014, qualify to challenge Kinzinger in the 2014 GOP primary, and spend two years in which the candidate would run, appear at every barbecue and hockey game and Little League game, and church service where three conservatives are gathered together,recruit every available Catholic, Reformed Christian, and Jew, factory worker, black and Hispanic available, farmer, small business owner, auto mechanic, racing fan (Danica Patrick grew up here), military veteran, gun enthusiast, taxpayer activist, Knight of Columbus, Mason, (many others whom I am forgetting), Republican, conservative, and particularly those fed up with the state and national GOP obsessions and leaders which and who have little or nothing to do with the daily lives of those who live here, etc. Sufficiently organized and trained boots on the ground can beat impersonal mountains of corrupt special interest money.

In admitted or unadmitted support of such a candidacy, we might establish forums on public policy with local or national experts serving on educational panels, or debating one another or debating flat out enemies of our values.

Many things are more doable here than in many places. Last September, the only abortion mill in the old 16th District was closed by (if you can imagine it) by the Illinois State Health Department because of its persistent unethical behavior, lack of even minimal sanitation, failure to establish admitting privileges at ANY of the local hospitals (they were planning on taking any women with punctured uteruses or other life-threatening abortion malpractice injuries 90 miles by ambulance to a Chicago hospital; surviving such a trip would be highly unlikely), failure to employ qualified nurses with professional independence to be utilized to protect patients, etc. It was the little House of Horrors. The mill has forfeited its license by not complying with subsequent court orders. There has been no move to open another. Don Manzullo fought that abomination for at least 20 years, set up a crisis pregnancy alternative, personally took responsibility for raising all the funds necessary to fund it by running an annual fund-raising dinner with nationally known pro-life speakers. Don apparently converted from his childhood Catholicism to the Baptist faith when he married his Baptist wife, but, as Don always points out, our verrrrry hard line Catholic Bishop (Thomas Doran) has told him he is still the best Catholic Congressman anywhere, at least as to his voting record. Don supports us Catholics and we support him proudly.

This electoral tragedy is a real wake up call. Don's defeat by a mountain of mostly corrupt money raised and spent against him under the "Young Guns" program and superPAC of the GOP House leaders blindsided many of us. To that extent it is our fault and as William Wallace said to his fiancee Murrin in Braveheart, "We shall have to remedy that."

Also, I come originally from Connecticut as did the late major league baseball manager Leo Durocher. As Durocher used to say, "Show me a good loser and I'll show you a loser." He had been a rookie reserve shortstop with the Babe Ruth/Lou Gehrig New York Yankees of 1927 and then played for the famous St. Louis Cardinals "Gas House Gang" in the 1930s. We don't have to take such crap as Kinzinger (and Boehner and Cantor and Kevin McCarthy) wish to dish out in service to every corrupt interest in this nation.

If anyone here has a Republican member of Congress, encourage him or her to work to replace the current House (and US Senate) GOP leaders with far better members who actually have principles and backbone and a willingness to actually fight and will not recruit and fund trash like Kinzinger.

18 posted on 03/21/2012 12:47:02 PM PDT by BlackElk ( Dean of Discipline ,Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society. Burn 'em Bright!)
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To: nuke rocketeer; PhilCollins; Dr. Sivana; Clintonfatigued; fieldmarshaldj; SunkenCiv; TBP; ...
Far too many were delivered for Kinzinger by the Chicago Demonratic Machine.

Kinzinger has something like a 73% conservative voting record. That rates a C- (making Kinzinger very marginally better than Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins but still well rooted in RINOland) and Don Manzullo was at 85%, a flat B. Some issues (not the ones separating Manzullo and Kinzinger) are debatable as "conservative." For instance the shameless mountains of money used by the RINOs Romney and Kinzinger to BUY primaries so as to exclude actual conservatives (i.e, Santorum, Gingrich, Manzullo) who would resist the RINO desire to canoodle with Demonrats to shamefully farm taxpayers and to pick winners and losers among candidates or among businesses for their utterly corrupt entourages. Such expenditures have only very recently been found constitutional in the Citizens United case. I don't favor this nation's politics being pre-empted on the left by George Soros and on the "right" by whatever is funding the likes of Romney and Kinzinger. Kinzinger should pick up his politically treasonous kneepads (used to service the "leaders") and go home permanently. After this disgrace, he can take Aaron (is he married?) Schock and John Shimkus with him and Nancyboy Kirk.

Why don't we invite my old enemy Lowell Weicker at the tender age of 81 to move here and run against Dickie Durbin? Lolo is every bit as conservative as Kinzinger (always endorsed by the none too choosy NRA) and would die sooner (I dare imagine). And special interest zillions??? We ain't seen nothing yet until we run Weicker (Hartford Steam Boiler, Friendly Ice Cream, American Tobacco, Squibb Drug, and many other big sources in which his family has major interests. Lolo would easily make Nancyboy and Durbin look like the homeless and impoverished denizens of the local drunk tank. Lolo is much more practiced and polished in his obnoxiousness than Kinzinger ever will last long enough to be.

Kinzinger is, at best, an eager and willing enthusiastic stooge for the pathetic Boehner, Cantor, McCarthy, McConnell, Lindsay Graham, McCainiac, Romney abominations masquerading as "Republicans" or worse as "conservatives." Words have actual meanings or they have no excuse to exist. If the likes of those "leaders" and of Romney and of Kinzinger are "conservative," then the word no longer has meaning.

Also see #18.

19 posted on 03/21/2012 1:55:54 PM PDT by BlackElk ( Dean of Discipline ,Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society. Burn 'em Bright!)
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To: BlackElk

June 8 is the deadline for republican and democrat leaders to slate candidates, in races in which no one was nominated, in the primary. Third party and independent candidates can circulate petitions, March 27-June 25. Each congressional candidate, who runs for a new party or an as independent, must submit at least 5,000 signatures.


20 posted on 03/21/2012 2:10:58 PM PDT by PhilCollins
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To: BlackElk
I don't necessarily agree with everything you wrote here, but I only take offense at one thing you said: Leo “The Lip” Durocher was Tony Lazzeri’s and Mark Koenig’s backup on the 1928, not 1927, Yankees (and was pretty much their starting SS in 1929). There is no need to exaggerate the greatness of the 1927 Yankees (arguably the second-greatest baseball team ever, after the 1906 Cubs) any further. : )
21 posted on 03/21/2012 2:15:56 PM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll protect your rights?)
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To: BlackElk; BillyBoy; Clintonfatigued; AuH2ORepublican; fieldmarshaldj; PhilCollins; Dengar01

I don’t think Kinzinger is a liberal like Susan Collins (or Mark Kirk). But he’s clearly a disappointment and certainly not someone you want in a safe seat.

Manzullo should run against Turban in 2014. I’m sure the party bosses will select some unknown RINO to that.


22 posted on 03/21/2012 4:38:52 PM PDT by Impy (Don't call me red.)
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To: Impy

“Manzullo should run against Turban in 2014.”

He’ll be 69 y/o that year. I doubt that he’d be interested.


23 posted on 03/21/2012 4:43:49 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (A chameleon belongs in a pet store, not the White House)
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To: AuH2ORepublican; fieldmarshaldj

Nice find.

DJ do you have any old map books that could confirm this?

No change in the lines for 40 years?

I’ve long wondered why IL redistricted in 1948.


24 posted on 03/21/2012 4:50:36 PM PDT by Impy (Don't call me red.)
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To: Clintonfatigued

69 is middle-aged for the Senate. ;d


25 posted on 03/21/2012 4:53:39 PM PDT by Impy (Don't call me red.)
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To: Impy
I think the world of Don Manzullo but, at seventy, he would be a tad long in the tooth to become a freshman senator. How old is Al Salvi? How about conservative one-time Democrat Congressman and Gubernatorial candidate (against Lyin' Ryan) Glenn Poshard to run as a Republican?

We could always name an unconventional candidate a bit outside the box but marginally more conservative than the average Illinois RINO: Vladimir Putin or Rosie O'Donnell or Oprah Winfrey (she is a successful businesswoman and therefore just as qualified as the Mitt Twit and could be his running mate now) or Gloria Allred.

We could treat this like baseball and make trades. We could trade a useless RINO like Adam Kinzinger to New York for the late NYC Congressman Allard Lowenstein. While it is true that Lowenstein was murdered many years ago and was a Democrat, I could make the argument that he might be an improvement over Kinzinger. First, though dead, he is just as qualified as the crucial constituents in Chicago. Second, his brain cells are simply very well-rested rather than ever AWOL. Third, he was actually interested in taking Yalie conservatives (only conservatives) out to the world's very best pizza joints, all of which are in New Haven at his expense to better understand and have good-natured give and take with right-wingers who were so rare in his NYC Congressional district. Al Lowenstein, while dead, would crush Turban. LBJ could tell you that since Lowenstein ran Gene McCarthy's campaign and drove LBJ from the race after the New Hampshire primary.

Maybe New York would throw in Ed Koch who will be 88 years old by the end of this year but, in spite of having the single most liberal voting record of any Congressman when he first ran for NYC Mayor in 1977, was endorsed by Bill Buckley. Even at 87, he has far more functioning brain cells than any dozen creatures in the entire Illinois GOP leadership and is now more conservative than they are as well. We could run him for governor in 2014 and he would politically terminate either Quinnochio or Tiny Dancer with ease. If the "GOP" bosses try to run a RINO instead, Koch will squash the RINO and the bosses in a primary. See him, as in his mayoral days, campaigning by riding a camel past the Spinx in Egypt, wearing an Irish Fisherman's sweater and waving his woolen newsboy cap over his head and asking the New York Post reporter: "How'm I doin'?"

The clincher was: Koch was defeated for re-nomination after three terms (12 years) as mayor by The execrable incompetent David Dinkins, NYC's first black mayor. After about three years of Dinkins, the liberal NYC Demonrats who had chosen Dinkins because they were offended by Koch's relative conservatism (including a willingness to support the NYPD's efforts to fight street crime) pleaded with him to please forgive them and run for mayor again. His response: "No. You had your chance and now you have to be punished!" Koch endorsed Rudy Giuliani who was elected. Not perfect but, hey, we are talking NYC here.

As to Kinzinger, in good centuries gone by and in several countries of Europe, we would have prayed for his soul, tied him to the stake, and torched him and the kindling.

God bless you and yours!

26 posted on 03/21/2012 5:42:53 PM PDT by BlackElk ( Dean of Discipline ,Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society. Burn 'em Bright!)
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To: PhilCollins

Is there a “sore loser” law that would prevent Manzullo from petitioning as a Third party or independent candidate?


27 posted on 03/21/2012 5:47:53 PM PDT by BlackElk ( Dean of Discipline ,Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society. Burn 'em Bright!)
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To: AuH2ORepublican
OK, OK! Durocher backed up Poosh 'em up Tony Lazzeri and Mark Koenig in 1928. He had also gotten into a few NYY games in 1925 before going back to the Hartford minor league club for seasoning. Sometimes I get just a bit arrogant because I attended a Knights of Columbus sports night almost 50 years ago and met and shook hands with Yankee 3rd baseman of the immortal years 1922-28 Jumping Joe Dugan who I believe was Ruth's lonely room mate.

IF, like your dad, you are a Cubs fan, can you get them to actually win a championship? We Yankee fans used to get a great deal of fun out of teasing the Boston Dead Sox and their fans by chanting: 1918! 1918! 1918! until tragedy struck twice in the last decade and they broke the streak of seasons without winning.

1906? Your manager is now an ex-Yankee Dale Sveum. Your "President (or whatever) is now Theo Epstein (grandson of the producer of the movie Casablanca) and who brought those two tragedies to interrupt the most sacred losing streak in baseball history. My late dad was a lifelong Dead Sox fan. As a 7-year old, he saw the 1918 Dead Sox champions but died in the 1990s well before the twin tragedies struck. When I was a child (from the age of 5 as a Yankee fan), he would show me Ted Williams on TV and say: there is the greatest hitter who ever lived. My response: If Williams is so great, how come he is not wearing NY pinstripes? Dad may have been right. I do miss my dad. Williams was certainly one of the greatest men ever to play the game. While disagreeing with your characterization of the 1906 Cubs as somehow better than the 1927 Yankees or the 1961 Yankees or the 1998 Yankees for that matter, I do wish them and you well as they seek that elusive championship. The Cubbies are, though a distant second, my second favorite team and Ernie Banks (behind Mickey Mantle and Whitey Ford) probably my next favorite player although Ted Williams is up there along with Willie Mays and Duke Snyder and Gil Hodges.

One Peter Golenbock wrote the one definitive book about the Yankees of my youth: Dynasty: The New York Yankees from 1949 to 1964: The Years When Rooting for the Yankees was like Rooting for US Steel. Rooting for that team made me a bit of an eternal optimist. The best of life was watching a game with a healthy Mantle in CF and at bat and his pal Whitey on the mound caught by Yogi Berra with Schaumberg's Moose Skowron at 1st, Billy Martin or Bobby Richardson at 2nd and Gil McDougald at short, Andy Carey at 3B, Hank Bauer in RF and whatever name was pulled from the hat in LF. A bench often including Elston Howard, Johnny Blanchard, Gene Woodling, and so many others. Relievers like Ryne Duren, Luis Arroyo, Bobby Shantz, Tommy Byrne, etc.,in the pen. All managed by the Old Perfessor. Play by play be Mel Allen and Red Barber.

It was a great time to be alive. You SHOULD necessarily agree with whatever I say or write but you are forgiven. Go and sin no more. God bless you and yours!

28 posted on 03/21/2012 6:40:51 PM PDT by BlackElk ( Dean of Discipline ,Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society. Burn 'em Bright!)
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To: BlackElk

Yes, Illinois has a sore loser law. Rep. Manzullo can’t run for any office, this year.


29 posted on 03/21/2012 7:24:29 PM PDT by PhilCollins
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To: BlackElk

LOL. I’ll remember to agree with everything you post next time.

As a Connecticut Knight of Columbus, you probably knew this already, but just in case, did you know that Bridgeport native Orator Jim O’Rourke, the only Baseball Hall of Famer who graduated from Yale Law School (my alma mater), was a Knight? A few years ago, it was said that Tony LaRussa was only the fifth lawyer to manage in the big leagues, and that the other four (O’Rourke, Monte Ward, Hughie Jennings and Branch Rickey) were in the Hall of Fame (albeit mostly for their contributions as players in the first three cases and as a GM in the last one); I don’t know if it was true back then (wasn’t Judge Fuchs, a team owner who managed one season, a lawyer), and perhaps another lawyer has managed since, but it was a pretty cool stat even if apocryphal.

As for my Cubs fandom, it is not congenital (although I’m working on passing it on to my young daughters); my dad has never been a baseball fan, and I became a Cubs fan by watching them every afternoon on WGN (going back to when Ryne Sandberg was a rookie 3B hitting below .200 almost through Memorial Day). True, Dale Sweum did play (very briefly) for the Yankees, but I don’t mind, since the last Cubs manager to win the World Series (the incomparable Frank Chance) went on to become the final manager of the New York Highlanders and the first manager of the New York Yankees.

The 1927, 1961 and 1998 Yankees were among the greatest teams ever, but the 1906 Cubs had unbeatable pitching (and its rotation was even better in 1907, when they had 5 starters in the top 8 in ERA), fantastic defense (Tinker to Evers to Chance, Kling behind the plate, Sheckard, Slagle and Schulte in the OF, and the underrated Steinfeldt at 3B), and terrific hitting for a Dead Ball Era team (even with Evers and Tinker having off years with the bat). Their 116-36 regular season record is the best ever, and the fact that they were defeated in the World Series by Ed Walsh doesn’t invalidate what they did all year.

I don’t believe you mentioned probably my favorite Yankee (after Mantle) on the ‘50s Yankees: Allie Reynolds. He and Gil Hodges are the two biggest HOF snubs among 1950s major leaguers.


30 posted on 03/21/2012 8:31:20 PM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll protect your rights?)
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To: BlackElk

Thanks BlackElk.


31 posted on 03/21/2012 9:27:04 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him)
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To: Impy; AuH2ORepublican; BillyBoy; Dengar01; BlackElk; Clintonfatigued

I can’t speak to the legislature, but it’s true that from 1902 until 1948, none of the IL CDs were redistricted. Consider the population shifts that occured in that period. In 1902, IL received 25 seats (a gain of 3) and set the lines statewide. In 1912, they gained 2 seats but failed to redistrict, so the 2 extra seats were elected at-large. Of course, for 1922, there was no reallocation of CD seats based on the 1920 census anywhere. By 1932, IL’s growth had slowed and it didn’t add any seats (but, again, no redistricting, and the 2 seats continued to be elected at-large).

In 1942, IL’s growth was slower than the country, and was forced to relinquish its 27th seat, which left the 25 districts with just 1 seat elected at-large. I’m not entirely sure what precipitated the decision (whether judicial, lawsuit, or partisan) to then divide the state by 26 districts (although it looked as though it had to pass muster by the courts and GOP Gov. Dwight Green appeared anxious to sign off on it).

As pointed out, the then-11th district did indeed stretch from the WI border and around and over to Indiana. However, with the 1948 redistricting, the 11th became a compact district in NW Chicago (and promptly went Democrat for that election, though Republican Timothy Sheehan captured it in 1950 (the last serious opponent and threat to Daley, Sr’s political machine) and then it fell to Democrat Roman Pucinski in 1958 who held it for the rest of his House career.

This did not end a district that stretched from WI to IN, though. The newly-drawn 15th district, which was slightly further west of the old 11th, formed a giant “L” (Boone-DeKalb-La Salle-(part of Kendall ?)-Grundy-Will). The former 12th district Conservative GOP incumbent, Noah Mason, took the 15th and held it until his retirement in 1963. The district would retain the 1948 lines until 1962 when Boone County bordering WI was given to the Lake County-based 12th and Will County bordering IN was given to DuPage-based 14th (the latter probably being the reason for Mason’s retirement, as he resided in Plainfield in Will County and the 14th dist. GOP incumbent was former DuPage Co. Sheriff & State Treasurer Elmer Hoffman, who would’ve probably beaten him).


32 posted on 03/21/2012 11:10:01 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj
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Fascinating history, DJ, thank you.

I think that there must have been some court decisions, or at least very heavy political pressure, during the mid-’40s to redistrict in many (if not all) states, since a very similar thing happened in NY (which redistricted in 1944 after decades of using the old lines).

And since the IL-15 ran from the WI border to the IN border until 1962 redistricting, that means that it’s only been 50 years since IL had a district with the new IL-16’s defining characteristic. So Impy was only off by 100 years or so. : )


33 posted on 03/22/2012 6:15:00 AM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll protect your rights?)
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BTW, Theo Epstein is the grandson of the co-writer of the screenplay for Casablanca (and for Arsenic and Old Lace), not of Casablanca’s producer. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_G._Epstein


34 posted on 03/22/2012 7:37:29 AM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll protect your rights?)
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So Impy was only off by 100 years or so. : )

A trifling amount of time in the grand scheme of things. ;D

So, the same districts for 46 years, that's good to know. And imagine at one point or another we held every single one.

1904 was the only time we won the Chi-based 4th and 5th districts, in fact that year we won 24 of 25, all but the 20th district of future House Speaker Henry Rainey, we only beat him in 1920 only to see him take it back in '22. Didn't get that seat again until 1942. It appears to have been a West/Central IL seat. Not one I would expect to be a rat stronghold.

35 posted on 03/25/2012 1:09:25 PM PDT by Impy (Don't call me red.)
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I haven’t researched what the deal was with the district that sent Rainey (his home was in Carrollton, Greene County). I’d tend to rank him as one of the worst Speakers in history, as he effectively gave FDR absolute carte blanche to ram through his leftist agenda in the opening of the 1933 Congress. One wonders if the more Conservative Cactus Jack Garner, who was consigned to presiding over the Senate (a useless job by then with the Dem majorities, for which he compared to being worth a warm bucket of $hit), would’ve put the kibosh on the Socialist orgy.

Interestingly, by 1942, the GOP (despite no change in the lines that first sent Rainey to Congress) kept it solidly in their column for the next 40 years. Dick Durbin won it in 1982 from the odious anti-Zionist RINO Paul Findley (Arafat’s best friend in Congress). John Shimkus had the seat now (which still includes Rainey’s hometown of Carrollton, despite Greene County being sliced and diced between his and the old Lane Evans/Phil Hare district).


36 posted on 03/25/2012 4:00:37 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj
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