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Vanity: Resigned to Romney? No Way! It's Time for Real Conservatives to Organize
28 April 2012 | Yashcheritsiy

Posted on 04/28/2012 5:36:53 PM PDT by Yashcheritsiy

I posted this up in News/Activism because it is a call to activism, and therefore seemed to me to fit the bill.

This is a "caucus" thread - if you're a pro-Romney whiner, then go find another thread. This one is for conservatives who want to do something about the election besides hang our heads and timidly thump a tub for Mittens.

I've intended this thread to hang around for a while so that we can throw ideas back and forth and start trying to network, etc. If you're really interested in organizing for action, please feel free to join in. If you want to hang back and not get actively involved, well, feel free to join in or lurk too.

Thanks, Yashcheritsiy

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To: Yashcheritsiy

When someone says we should organize I automatically ask the question, “organize around what?”

I’m willing to coalesce, organize with, unify with, anyone who is in truth working for a return to America’s founding principles, the stated purposes of our Constitution, and adherence to the explicit requirements of that precious document.

41 posted on 04/28/2012 6:34:28 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Romney's only role is to make the socialist poison more palatable to the American people.)
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To: TommyC1

No. A third party vote is only a vote for that party.

42 posted on 04/28/2012 6:35:13 PM PDT by arderkrag ("WAAHH WAAAHHH SCOTUS" is no excuse to vote for Romney. LOOKING FOR ROLEPLAYERS. Check Profile.)
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To: svcw

You are clueless. Like a little baby that does not get it’s way you cry.
We need to do anything to get rid of O and get on with life or be destroyed by Obama.

I am only practical and will pony up money to get rid of Obama, Will you?

Or will you just lip service your grand third party (hopeless) idea?

43 posted on 04/28/2012 6:37:45 PM PDT by learner
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To: Innovative

You’re slow! It took you 10 posts to fly in.In an obama/Romney election every vote for one of the two is a vote for Obama, either with his own name or with the other name.

44 posted on 04/28/2012 6:37:45 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: Drew68
As I've explained many times THERE IS NO MIDDLE.

We have a political system that works with people in groups ~ and those groups affiliate with one or the other of the two great political parties.

In numerous European countries they work it the other way around so you end up with dozens of political parties representing broad general interests or socio-economic classes, and they do their coalitions AFTER the elections.

Our system works to deliver us a fairly evenly divided electorate ~ so that you get a landslide if you get as much as 53% of the vote.

Outside of the two coalition parties there is a thin fringe of unaffiliated people. It's not a broad middle ~ more like a desert.

LBJ used that model in mind to win in a landslide against the first guy who'd proposed it ~ Goldwater! Nixon used it to win twice. Ronald Reagan used it to win three times (two times for himself and once for GHWBush). Bill Clinton won with that model ~ twice, while crushing a third party attempt. George Bush pulled it off as well.

All Obama has to do is hold the Democrats together while Romney himself delivers up the equivalent of a faction to the Democrats ~ in the body of people who simply aren't going to show up if Romney is on the ticket.

You can run anybody but Romney and beat Obama, particularly if he can attract that 53% of recent (Last 5 years) college graduates who are UNEMPLOYED.

45 posted on 04/28/2012 6:38:03 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: learner
pissing in the wind
Good summary.
46 posted on 04/28/2012 6:38:23 PM PDT by samtheman (
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To: svcw
Well then it will be a liberal R against a liberal D. No choice at all.

Yep! Them's your choices! But make no mistake, the next President of the United States will be one of the following two men: Barack Obama or Mitt Romney.

Yes, it sucks but the sooner everyone accepts that this is the reality of the situation, the sooner everyone can come to terms with the choices they will have to make.

47 posted on 04/28/2012 6:39:37 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: muawiyah


48 posted on 04/28/2012 6:40:52 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: svcw

Soros will win the election.

49 posted on 04/28/2012 6:42:14 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: Engraved-on-His-hands; EternalVigilance

Oh, yeah....One more thing. I will likely be voting third party rather than a write-in. I’m considering the Constitution Party (Virgil Goode) and America’s Party (Tom Hoefling). I don’t assume that either will stand a snowball’s chance, but that isn’t the reason for the vote.

Virgil Goode would seem to be the most reasonable choice, since the Constitution Party is much more prominent. I think, though, that given the current climate, he could have chosen a better route to take in terms of issues. Social conservatives are being left out in the cold; yet Virgil isn’t really pushing that. His main emphasis seems to be illegal immigration. While I agree with his points, I don’t think that will be a major rallying cry for conservatives this time. Plus, he seems to be cosying up to the Ron Paul faction more than to traditional conservatives. Yet, I generally agree with him on the issues.

I’m more comfortable with Tom Hoefling (our Eternal Vigilance), but America’s Party doesn’t have the same level of exposure at this point.

Once again, I have no illusion that either will win; but I think that the GOP-e needs to know for future reference that our votes cannot be considered automatic.

50 posted on 04/28/2012 6:42:37 PM PDT by Engraved-on-His-hands (Mitt Romney is a handbasket driver. I refuse to ride.)
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To: Yashcheritsiy

Republicans spit on conservatives every chance they get. Now they are trying to cram a liberal pro-gay pro-choice establishment RINO down our throats.

I’m glad the Revolution occurred long ago. Some here would have called the Patriots loons for what they did and they would have backed the King against the Patriots. I would have fought then and I will fight for my beliefs now. I’m done with republicans telling me who to vote for. I’m sick of crony politics.

I will NOT vote for pro-gay pro-choice romney. If obama wins again, blame the spineless people who turned their backs on conservatism and their values to vote for AN establishment liberal RINO.

51 posted on 04/28/2012 6:43:01 PM PDT by mardi59 (THE REBELLION IS ON!!!)
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To: svcw

In actuality these two are boot-licking, knee-jerking, robot-like Leftwingtard extremists.

52 posted on 04/28/2012 6:43:02 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: svcw

Like a fabian socialist vs a Communist. No difference in the outcome, just in the timìng. Maybe

53 posted on 04/28/2012 6:44:29 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: arthurus
Tired eyes. You forget I'm blind and unless I catch the error while typing, it just slips on by.

NOTE: blindness ~ this time of day the right eye is about 20/200 ~ I can clear it up to 20/35 with rest. The left eye has some annoying floaters that interfere with editing.

54 posted on 04/28/2012 6:47:23 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: arthurus

Soros is in his 80s. He’s getting close to the time in life where he’ll be happy enough to have a morning dump.

55 posted on 04/28/2012 6:48:21 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: learner

Sorry did I mention third party?
It was people like you who brought us the liberal called Romney.

56 posted on 04/28/2012 6:49:58 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?fend Mormonism and)
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To: Cicero
We should certainly work to defeat romney and hope for a brokered convention. Although frankly that no longer seems likely.

In what way do you think we should work to defeat Romney and hope for a brokered convention? What are your thoughts on how to defeat a candidate that no longer has any real competition and will very shortly have all the delegates necessary to be the official nominee? You can just avoid the whole mental exercise if you accept that "no longer seems likely" doesn't apply anymore, "no longer possible" does.

1. No way conservatives can possibly win without a solid union of social conservatives and libertarians.

2. Also, no way that a free Republic is even possible unless a majority are willing to discipline themselves in the right way—which means to obey the basic moral laws, have stable families, do away with stuff like abortion, and return to the values that made our country great in the first place.

So let me understand this. One the one hand you are saying there is no way conservatives can win without libertarians, and in the very next sentence you are telling libertarians what exactly? Drop all their social libertarian positions? That is hardly going to convince very many libertarian folks to join in your quest for unity.

I think we are just not going to win the votes of most real libertarians and it is just foolish to even try. It's a giant waste of time actually. You are offering to give up essentially nothing, yet you are asking them to give up half their agenda to join your cause - that's just not realistic and isn't going to happen. Right now, the people we want to attract into the conservative camp are right-of-center folks with some libertine leanings (which has become more and more the norm). This accounts for a lot of everyday Americans who are with us on the economic and foreign policy stuff, but lukewarm on abortion, gay rights, etc. We may get many of these folks (and keep our anti-abortion, anti-gay marriage, etc, positions) if we focus on the massive debt, wasteful spending, Hussein's world wide apology tour, etc. However, turn the election into a social issue fest and start babbling about whether contraception is "not okay" or blather on about a need to crack down on porn - things that Santorum risked doing, and we lose almost all of these voters. .

Now if we reach a point where social conservatives were actually willing to give up something to attract libertarians, there might be room to deal. Keep anti-abortion, keep anti-gay marriage in exchange for dropping objections to legalized drugs, gambling and prostitution. This kinda of workable alliance might bare fruit one day, but I think it is still a long way off.

57 posted on 04/28/2012 6:49:58 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: Drew68

I have already come to terms with the choice I have made, and it wont be voting for a liberal.

58 posted on 04/28/2012 6:52:39 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?fend Mormonism and)
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To: Yashcheritsiy

popcorn BUMP

59 posted on 04/28/2012 6:57:05 PM PDT by right way right (What's it gonna take?)
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To: TommyC1; Innovative; learner; billva

This is a caucus thread, so you can take off.

If you want to start a caucus thread for “Spineless RINOs,” then be our guests.

60 posted on 04/28/2012 6:58:57 PM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (Anybody but Obama and Romney)
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