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Vanity: Resigned to Romney? No Way! It's Time for Real Conservatives to Organize
28 April 2012 | Yashcheritsiy

Posted on 04/28/2012 5:36:53 PM PDT by Yashcheritsiy

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To: Drew68

You write as though you know the facts, yet there is still time remaining. Something unseen can happen. Is your ego so big that you must speak as though you are a wise know it all?


201 posted on 04/29/2012 9:45:03 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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To: fabian
You write as though you know the facts, yet there is still time remaining. Something unseen can happen. Is your ego so big that you must speak as though you are a wise know it all?

There are only two events that could possibly derail Romney's path to the Republican nomination: Personal tragedy or getting caught in a seriously illegal and/or immoral breech of conduct. I'm not going to wish for tragedy on anyone and Mitt Romney strikes me as the type of guy who has most likely kept his nose clean in his personal life.

There you have it.

202 posted on 04/29/2012 10:02:22 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: fabian

I have waited for almost 4 years praying for the seen and the unseen to unseat Barack Hussein Obama.

The only thing that will unseat him now is an election, and he may not even go away with that.

It is delusional to “hope” some miracle will happen, but you see, the electorate will not be amply prepared to make an overnight surge way to the right as we would want them to.

It will take hard work and working from the bottom up. Maybe years.

Getting our way won’t happen unless we work for it. An election alone is not the answer.

Stopping the bleeding before the patient dies is about all we got.


203 posted on 04/29/2012 10:15:24 AM PDT by dforest
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To: billva
Romney will be the Republican Candidate.

That may be so, however I'm not under the delusions continuous voting for the establishment Republicrat will result in any real change to the course this nation is on....certainly Romney won't...he's having "his turn" and I will not support him nor this bogus election.

Who is to say this isn't all orchestrated for the Republicans to take the fall as this nation topples, and the Demcorates would have the Rep's clean up their mess, only to come in after the work is done and claim the Glory?

204 posted on 04/29/2012 10:35:18 AM PDT by caww
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To: fabian
Something unseen can happen.

Possible as strange things have happened throughout this Primary....and there is still time before we vote. I don't think any should determine absolutely before the time is there we cast our vote......If the equation remains as it is currently though....I will not be voting for Romney nor Obama..but straight conservative down ticket or as close as possible.

205 posted on 04/29/2012 10:39:34 AM PDT by caww
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To: MARKUSPRIME

Why would he look better to the voters if he was ???


206 posted on 04/29/2012 10:42:23 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: fabian
You write as though you know the facts, yet there is still time remaining. Something unseen can happen. Is your ego so big that you must speak as though you are a wise know it all?

Romney is the nominee. Period. Mitt has no competition remaining (and was still winning the nomination even with competitors). Newt has quit the race and will officially drop out and endorse Romney this upcoming week. Again, Romney is the nominee. A good first step to organizing is to not bury your head in the sand. You can pray, hope, cross your fingers, etc, and it won't make one iota of difference - Romney is still going to be the nominee. Once you accept reality, then you will be better able to decide how you want to be politically active going forward.

207 posted on 04/29/2012 10:45:16 AM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: Drew68
Well, if the polls are looking favorably for Obama against Romney, there is a possibility of a challenger rising up in the convention...no?
208 posted on 04/29/2012 10:46:42 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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To: caww
That may be so, however I'm not under the delusions continuous voting for the establishment Republicrat will result in any real change to the course this nation is on....certainly Romney won't...he's having "his turn" and I will not support him nor this bogus election.

Who is to say this isn't all orchestrated for the Republicans to take the fall as this nation topples, and the Demcorates would have the Rep's clean up their mess, only to come in after the work is done and claim the Glory?

All I can say is to this comment is WOW. Not a nice WOW, but a WOW for delusional thinking.

I don't know what you think is being accomplished by you and your band of lemmings, but I will assure you this, you will not make any permanent change with your approach. To make permanent change you need people like myself, and yes I am conservative, to join your action.

I can assure you that it will be a cold day in hell before I join forces with a group of people who are willing to sell our country down the river in this election.

209 posted on 04/29/2012 10:52:40 AM PDT by billva
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To: Drew68

There are only two events that could possibly derail Romney’s path to the Republican nomination: Personal tragedy or getting caught in a seriously illegal and/or immoral breech of conduct
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Personel wont stop the egotistical high priest Willard Mitt Romney from running...

it didnt in 2008 and it wont now

back then his wife was sicker than she is now and he wouldnt stay home with her

People critized Santorum for rumnning with an ill family member in the house at home

Funny how knowbody said anything to Willie Mitty

even when he dragged his poor wife onto a TV interview and declared Oh yes shes sick but I’m going to be out on the campaign trail anyway...

Nothing short of personal death will keep him at home...

How serious must the crime/sin he gets caught in be ???

Hes hot the most lily white candidate that ever ran for the GOP nod...

Beinbg a lifetime pusher of the murder of innocent unborn babies is about the worse a guy can get...

Its immoral...

and he thinks abortion OK back when it was illegal...

Like 1970 when his liberal mother ran for US senate on a pro-abortion platform..

and yet hes OK in your book...

to the point that you protect him against Christian Conservative FReepers who merely expose his left leaning stances..

Evil will be called good and good will be called evil...


210 posted on 04/29/2012 10:58:19 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: Resettozero
Hope this caucus thread can work.

It can if it conveys actual information instead of a bunch of pie in the sky. The solution is real simple. Get and stay involved in Republican party politics. Begin at the town/local/precinct level and get as many other like minded people active with you. This is a ground up project, not a top down one. It isn't easy, it takes a lot of actual effort (beyond sitting behind a keyboard), it may require years of hard work to shift ones sphere of influence in the right direction, but it is the only thing that will actually help change things.

All this blather about starting new party's, voting for an existing 3rd party, writing in candidates, raging at the GOP establishment, etc, may feel good but it accomplishes exactly nothing. People do the same thing every 4 years and it will all come to nothing.

Want to make a difference? Get involved. Get involved in Republican party activities/politics at the local level and help push the party in a more conservative direction. You'd be surprised how few people actually get involved. Wonder why the establishment usually gets its way? Simple. Because too many good conservatives sit around bellyaching instead of actually doing something.

Quit with the fantasies of new party's, victorious 3rd party's, overthrowing the GOP at the convention, some White Knight to ride in steal all Romney's delegates, etc. None of this nonsense is going to happen. Get involved, stay involved, go to party meetings, use your influence to push the party to the right, get your friends and family involved, go to town council meetings, vote in all elections including primaries, etc. THAT is how you make an actual difference.

211 posted on 04/29/2012 11:01:10 AM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: Longbow1969

Mitt has no competition remaining
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Willie Mitty will always have himself as competition...

he cant beat his evil past political and social decisions...

they hang there like a spectre


212 posted on 04/29/2012 11:02:20 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: Tennessee Nana
you protect him against Christian Conservative FReepers who merely expose his left leaning stances..

Oh, stuff it. I'm not going to partake in the reelection of Barack Obama.

213 posted on 04/29/2012 11:06:14 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: fabian
Well, if the polls are looking favorably for Obama against Romney, there is a possibility of a challenger rising up in the convention...no?

No. There is no possibility of that.

The nomination is secured by winning delegates. Romney will easily have all the delegates he needs to win on the first ballot. Period.

214 posted on 04/29/2012 11:09:37 AM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: billva
Nobody is 'selling' this election, 'buying' it...absolutely without question. As for my "approach"....it's a clear and well thought out "decision" of NOA for President.

'Previous choices' must have their results....A refusal to vote for the conservative who was still running and had the tools and ability to destroy those who are taking this country down, has brought this election to where it stands now. Foolish people who had little understanding of the Gop game plan...and simply believed their vote would make a difference... without understanding the game.

Further........"A vote 'against something' is an act of desperation and weakness...... 'It legitimizes a system' of comparative justifications,.... where superficial or even reactionary policies and institutions are defended solely on the grounds that the immediately available alternative is worse........it isn't reason enough for an act of speech and consent, ( which is our vote), that puts force and legitimacy behind a candidate or a set of policies that I wholeheartedly disagree with.

I won't be bullied into voting for Romney because otherwise the boogieman will come and get me in the night.... I won't see men and women, I lent my voice and consent to, do things destructive to all which I value of life and all the once great things of our nation..Again!....not going to happen.

Now you are certainly free to sign onto Romney and thereby supporting his platform ...you have that right of course....I will not sign onto to the further destruction of our nations values and principles by either Romney nor Obama.

215 posted on 04/29/2012 11:30:45 AM PDT by caww
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To: Longbow1969
Wonder why the establishment usually gets its way? Simple. Because too many good conservatives sit around bellyaching instead of actually doing something

That simply is not true. Each person does what they are capable of doing, and there are far more Freepers actively involved then you apparently are willing to credit... ....your assessment couldn't be more wrong.

We don't come to FR to broadcast about our activities...though if our guys make the news and report from where they are this is great!....we come here to be informed and use the good minds and hearts of Freepers to equip us better to go out and do what and where we have determined is our place in these election cycles. And when the Primary draws to an end we come back to FR to discuss further what is possible in changing the way things tend to go.

What most realize is doing the same thing over and over has not changed the outcome hoped for.....so this discussion needs to be....and rather than disrupt it...how about offering some 'Different' suggestions rather than the same old drumbeat heard every year and time and again...it's not working!

216 posted on 04/29/2012 11:46:03 AM PDT by caww
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To: fabian
there is a possibility of a challenger rising up in the convention...no?

The trajectory for that to happen seems about dried up now...which is one of the reasons Romney went before the RNC and stated his win prematurely. At all costs the GOP did not want this to go to convention....you notice there was no outcry from any that he took this step. And clearly showed the fix is well in.

Santorum stopping just before Pa was also a strong indicator, he wasn't about to take another loss in PA and was headed for just that...it would have done in him for the career path he's determined to go...and he's still holding out his delegates for the GOP in case this does move in some unforeseen way...in order to secure Romney...and his own political ambitions

217 posted on 04/29/2012 11:53:57 AM PDT by caww
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To: svcw
No they are all dead serious. Check out the argument as it flames up across the board.

Those arguing against Romney have gone from misguided, to Naive, to pouting children, to unpatriotic people who support Obama. Sadly they are serious. The “system” is a sacred cow that must not be gored.

218 posted on 04/29/2012 4:16:54 PM PDT by Idaho_Cowboy (Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. II Corinthians 3:17)
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To: Randy Larsen

5 posts, they were pretty slow on the draw.


219 posted on 04/29/2012 4:19:38 PM PDT by Idaho_Cowboy (Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. II Corinthians 3:17)
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To: caww
Nobody is 'selling' this election, 'buying' it...absolutely without question. As for my "approach"....it's a clear and well thought out "decision" of NOA for President.

'Previous choices' must have their results....A refusal to vote for the conservative who was still running and had the tools and ability to destroy those who are taking this country down, has brought this election to where it stands now. Foolish people who had little understanding of the Gop game plan...and simply believed their vote would make a difference... without understanding the game.

Further........"A vote 'against something' is an act of desperation and weakness...... 'It legitimizes a system' of comparative justifications,.... where superficial or even reactionary policies and institutions are defended solely on the grounds that the immediately available alternative is worse........it isn't reason enough for an act of speech and consent, ( which is our vote), that puts force and legitimacy behind a candidate or a set of policies that I wholeheartedly disagree with.

I won't be bullied into voting for Romney because otherwise the boogieman will come and get me in the night.... I won't see men and women, I lent my voice and consent to, do things destructive to all which I value of life and all the once great things of our nation..Again!....not going to happen.

Now you are certainly free to sign onto Romney and thereby supporting his platform ...you have that right of course....I will not sign onto to the further destruction of our nations values and principles by either Romney nor Obama.

Sorry but that long and wordy answer doesn't ring true, especially the part about not signing onto further destruction of our nation by not voting.

In fact that is exactly what you are doing by not voting for Romney and by defacto voting for Obama.

Put it in any words you want, that is the truth.

220 posted on 04/29/2012 4:36:27 PM PDT by billva
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To: Idaho_Cowboy

Nicely put.
We must also include mentally unstable, delusional, stupid and insane.
((((sigh))))


221 posted on 04/29/2012 4:44:08 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: Yashcheritsiy

I’ve sent money to every candidate I could support starting with Palin, then Cain, then Gingrich.

The rest of my little bank goes to FR and ammo reloading equipt.


222 posted on 04/29/2012 4:56:28 PM PDT by Randy Larsen (I hate Rinos and Romney is one of the worst Rinos ever!)
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To: billva; TheOldLady
What you simply don't get is I've never said I'm not voting, which you guys continually allude to...and that's a lie...... I'm simply not going to vote for Romney or Obama.....it's that clear...and bullies will not deter me from my decision in their attempts to twist that decision and frame it into something it isn't to browbeat people with.

I'm a voter, not a hostage to the whims of political parties nor their endorsers. If they put up candidates which go against the very principles and ideas of our Constitution, The Declaration of Independence, The Federalists Papers, and all that has made this nation what is is and founded on, all of which I hold dear...then I will not 'consent in following' them blindly into their darkness.....

....there are some places in life where “Narrow is The Way and “Few” Who Find It”.....this election is one of them as I see it...and each individual must find the way they believe is best.

223 posted on 04/29/2012 7:39:41 PM PDT by caww
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To: Randy Larsen
The rest of my little bank goes to FR and ammo reloading equipt.

Good for you! Great Investments!

Like you I gave but only to two candidates...but I had great pleasure in saying 'no' to the Gop calls for funds statewide and nationally. Hilarious as I made my statement and they just went back to reading their script while lowering the amount asked for four different times! LOL.....

224 posted on 04/29/2012 7:46:34 PM PDT by caww
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To: Longbow1969

That is too bad and I think Romney is a well meaning but very ambitious man.


225 posted on 04/29/2012 8:49:38 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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To: Tennessee Nana

“Hes hot the most lily white candidate that ever ran for the GOP nod”

You aren’t white are you? I can tell by your lilly white remarks and the “white trailer park trash” comment from the other day. You are a certain race that uses those insults alot(we all which one, the same as Obama) or you are libtard poster because they use the same language and insults all the time. Conservative white folk dont berate their own races color. Yeah shill for Obama more so people can see through you. Nescient .


226 posted on 04/30/2012 12:15:09 AM PDT by MARKUSPRIME
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To: caww

Whats that old saying ???

Oh yes...

If you wont stand for something
You’ll fall for anything...


227 posted on 04/30/2012 4:06:40 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: Tennessee Nana

I’ve posted the letters and documents of the Founding Fathers on this issue and seen Thomas Jefferson, not me myself, openly mocked ny RINOs on this site in response, and no one stepped up to say they were out of order.

I’ve said that RINOs should think about death panels for their parents, aborting their grandchildren, and giving away a child in gay marriage, because they should wish for themselves what they wish for America. The responses were So What?...What’s Your Point? And this on a thread predominated by FR members as old as the proverbial bricks in the building.

And it’s clear the inner cadre is under the illusion they and not JR should be in charge as they attack him daily, trying to force him to ideologically step down from his position. That would be a greater tragedy than when Fox News emasculated itself.

Glad I’m a n00b.


228 posted on 04/30/2012 4:48:07 AM PDT by AnTiw1
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To: AnTiw1

“I think the old standby definitions of who votes for which party have been blown away in this campaign. I think people recognize that I’m not a partisan Republican—that I’m someone who is moderate, and that my views are progressive.”
-Mitt Romney (2002)


229 posted on 04/30/2012 9:22:15 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: billva
it will be a cold day in hell before I join forces with a group of people who are willing to sell our country down the river in this election.

Which group do propose uniting with that won't sell the country down a river? The only choice I see is which river.

230 posted on 04/30/2012 1:49:09 PM PDT by Gil4 (Sometimes it's not low self-esteem - it's just accurate self-assessment.)
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To: caww
What you simply don't get is I've never said I'm not voting, which you guys continually allude to...and that's a lie...... I'm simply not going to vote for Romney or Obama.....it's that clear...and bullies will not deter me from my decision in their attempts to twist that decision and frame it into something it isn't to browbeat people with.

I'm a voter, not a hostage to the whims of political parties nor their endorsers. If they put up candidates which go against the very principles and ideas of our Constitution, The Declaration of Independence, The Federalists Papers, and all that has made this nation what is is and founded on, all of which I hold dear...then I will not 'consent in following' them blindly into their darkness.....

....there are some places in life where “Narrow is The Way and “Few” Who Find It”.....this election is one of them as I see it...and each individual must find the way they believe is best.

What a load of double talk. You are allowed to vote however you want, but don't give me a load of BS that voting for some lame 3rd party candidate isn't the same as voting for Obama, IT IS.

Actually you are probably voting for Rosanne Barr, she would fit with your double talk.

231 posted on 04/30/2012 2:18:21 PM PDT by billva
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To: caww
I hear you. Do what you believe is right. After all is said and done, it is God and your conscience that you must face.

Take care, FRiend.

232 posted on 04/30/2012 2:25:31 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

Yes, I will do just that...and have Peace for that decision....thank God!...and thank you for hearing...

”What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance?”

~Thomas Jefferson


233 posted on 04/30/2012 2:37:46 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww
Our Founding Fathers remain as relevant as ever.

"As our enemies have found we can reason like men, so now let us show them we can fight like men also."

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234 posted on 04/30/2012 2:56:23 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: billva

“don’t give me a load of BS that voting for some lame 3rd party candidate isn’t the same as voting for Obama, IT IS.”

No it isn’t. It is stupid to say so.


235 posted on 05/01/2012 8:02:11 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (Obama's record is an open charnel pit. Romney's too, but under a whitened sepulchre.)
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To: Psalm 144
I said

“don’t give me a load of BS that voting for some lame 3rd party candidate isn’t the same as voting for Obama, IT IS.”

And you replied

No it isn’t. It is stupid to say so.

Oh really? Simple arithmetic tells that since the person you are voting for will not win, that it's the same as a no vote which in trying to defeat Obama amounts to the same thing as a vote for Obama.

And its stupid to be in such denial.

236 posted on 05/01/2012 9:03:23 PM PDT by billva
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To: billva

Mine is a NO vote for both of the vile leftwing candidates.

Your statement “don’t give me a load of BS that voting for some lame 3rd party candidate isn’t the same as voting for Obama, IT IS.” can just as easily be turned around to say “don’t give me a load of BS that voting for some lame 3rd party candidate isn’t the same as voting for Romney, IT IS” if you were peddling Obama instead of peddling Romney. Doubtless some Democrat wardheeler is making that very argument to someone who has reached their limits with Obama’s deceptions, as many have here with Romeny’s deceptions.

Witholding my vote from each of these two evil cabals benefits neither one, which is the point of the exercise.

Your statement is inane. False. A logical absurdity.

It is of the Lie.

You are not working math, you are purveying sophistry.


237 posted on 05/01/2012 9:20:10 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (Obama's record is an open charnel pit. Romney's too, but under a whitened sepulchre.)
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To: Psalm 144
Mine is a NO vote for both of the vile leftwing candidates.

Your statement “don’t give me a load of BS that voting for some lame 3rd party candidate isn’t the same as voting for Obama, IT IS.” can just as easily be turned around to say “don’t give me a load of BS that voting for some lame 3rd party candidate isn’t the same as voting for Romney, IT IS” if you were peddling Obama instead of peddling Romney. Doubtless some Democrat wardheeler is making that very argument to someone who has reached their limits with Obama’s deceptions, as many have here with Romeny’s deceptions.

Witholding my vote from each of these two evil cabals benefits neither one, which is the point of the exercise.

Your statement is inane. False. A logical absurdity.

It is of the Lie.

You are not working math, you are purveying sophistry.

Oh wow, you are now attempting, not succeeding but attempting, to use big words.

But it doesn't take a lot of effort to conclude that no matter how you try to say it, you will still be helping Obama get elected.

238 posted on 05/01/2012 9:54:49 PM PDT by billva
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To: billva

Short words this time:

You lie.


239 posted on 05/01/2012 10:00:59 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (Obama's record is an open charnel pit. Romney's too, but under a whitened sepulchre.)
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To: Psalm 144
Short words this time:

You lie.

More short words.

You are living in denial, voting the way you say will help Obama get elected.

240 posted on 05/02/2012 5:46:02 AM PDT by billva
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