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GOP Nominations: Don't do it (GOP-E Screwing Up Virginia)
Richmond (VA) Times-Dispatch | May 30, 2012 | Richmond Times-Dispatch Staff

Posted on 06/08/2012 5:28:17 AM PDT by Timber Rattler

In October 2011, the Republican Party of Virginia's State Central Committee voted to nominate its 2013 statewide ticket in a primary. Tuesday's Times-Dispatch reported that the committee might change the rules and opt to nominate candidates in a convention instead. The appropriate response runs to three words: Don't do it.

The Times-Dispatch long has considered primaries the preferred vehicles for nominations — for both parties. Although primaries can compel campaigns to spend more money, they tend to leave less blood on the floor. Caucuses and conventions often turn personal; they open wounds. They also attract activists, ideologues, partisans and crackpots who might not represent a party's mainstream. Primaries broaden the base.

Candidates who have declared their 2013 intentions presumably entered under the assumption a GOP primary would occur. A rules change now would violate an honor code that, although unstated, ought to govern party operations.

The principal candidates for the GOP's gubernatorial nomination are Lt. Gov. Bill Bolling and Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli. A move to a convention likely would boost the latter. Bolling's team urges the committee to stay with its original decision. Cuccinelli's team expresses its confidence it would win in either a primary or convention but adds that it would welcome using the money it would spend in a primary to defeat the Democratic nominee in the fall. If Cuccinelli were to repudiate a rules change, a drive for a convention would collapse. This is a test not of procedure but of character.

TOPICS: Virginia; Issues; Parties; State and Local
KEYWORDS: bolling; convention; cuccinelli; primaries
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To: ngat

If we have a convention, the local delegate selection will be underrepresented such that everybody who signs up will automatically be deemed to be elected, so you will all just go on to the state convention.

We don’t do the step where a vote is taken locally, and delegates are pledged to support a candidate.

On the other hand, representation is proportional, so if you have a local candidate (like we do), and it means you have a lot of interest, each person’s vote for your county has less weight. So theoretically, if you trusted people, you could figure out who would actually show up, and then send 10% of them in the same proportion, and achieve the same result.

51 posted on 06/09/2012 7:29:15 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT

I am stuned.

I’m going to have to process all this.

It is so different from what we do out here in the provinces.

By the way, are you describing Connecticut? That other guy was talking Virginia. And I’m still trying to wrap my head around what he told me. But, I can sure relate to what he said about the groupthink and oldsters not cooperating with anyone else who tries to participate in the party life on the local level.

I will post more after I recover from this latest convention we just had.

52 posted on 06/10/2012 8:56:24 AM PDT by ngat
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To: ngat

That’s the Virginia process.

I’ve done a couple of conventions. They are fun. We tried to nominate Bob Marshall for Senate against Jim Gilmore, but lost by a small amount — in raw numbers, Marshall had more people at the convention, but it was because Prince William County had a large contingent supporting him, so our votes didn’t count for much.

We also had the upstart Jeff Frederick trying to win the RPV chair, and he did win that seat, only to get run out of office the following year.

53 posted on 06/10/2012 11:01:14 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Ok. waking up now, the CT has nothing to do with the state-of Conn., unlike with EDINVA.

When you elaborated on Ed’s description of paying the $25 to just be a delegate, and stuff about being deemed a delegate, rather than actually being elected a delegate at your precinct convention, then having those delegates elect delegates to the state convention, who then elect delegates to the national convention, I realize now that in your geographical area something is going on that has the way the convention system is supposed to work all screwed up.

Have people have become so cynical, or apathetic, or miseducated, or so uninterested in knowing their neighbors in their own towns or subdivisions or whatever, that there is no way organize and actually to act locally in the party? Have your politicians taken over the parties entirely??

54 posted on 06/10/2012 12:59:08 PM PDT by ngat
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To: ngat

In a state where you can’t register by party, it’s hard to do party stuff. Plus, we are pretty conservative still, so our state runs pretty well, which tends to make people complacent. Like 6 of our 8 county supervisors are republican, and a few are pretty good conservatives.

55 posted on 06/10/2012 6:06:48 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT

“In a state where you can’t register by party, it’s hard to do party stuff.”

Here’s how you do it, without requiring people to register by party at voter registration time.

Require voters who wish to vote in a primary election to vote in the primary of only one party, with primary day for all parties being held on the same date. Stamp the voters’ voter ID card with the name of the party they voted in at the polls. That way, they are identified at that time with party affiliation and can only vote in the reunoff of the party whose primary they voted in. Hold the precinct convention 30 minutes after polls close at the building where voting took place (or very nearby) and the crossover voters, if they attend at all, are easily identifiable, will be outvoted, and the liberals will vote for liberal democrats in their precinct to attend their county convention and the conservatives will elect conservatives to represent them at their Republican (or Libertarian Party, or Constitution Party) conventions.

It’s easy to do party stuff in that system.

56 posted on 06/10/2012 6:53:41 PM PDT by ngat
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To: Timber Rattler

A primary was chosen......2 years in advance of the general election, the longest time in advance, ever, before the election, that this choice has been made.

Why? Bolling had the RINO votes on State Central to get his way....

Bolling no longer has the RINO majority on State Central and he suspected, correctly, that voters would choose more Conservative members of state central this year....which they did.

The more liberal Republican ALWAYS wants a primary because Democrats and independents can choose the REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE...not to mention a statewide primary sticks the Taxpayers with a $3,000,000 tab.

There is nothing CONSERVATIVE about a primary.

57 posted on 06/12/2012 1:02:58 PM PDT by Gopher Broke (Repeal Obamacare !!)
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