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Bloomberg Poll: Obama 53 - Romney 40
Townhall ^ | June 20. 2012 | Guy Benson, political editor

Posted on 06/20/2012 1:36:46 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

We might as well pack it in, guys. A new Bloomberg poll says Obama's up by thirteen points:

Obama leads Romney 53 percent to 40 percent among likely voters, even as the public gives him low marks on handling the economy and the deficit, and six in 10 say the nation is headed down the wrong track, according to the poll conducted June 15- 18. The survey shows Romney, a former Massachusetts governor, has yet to repair the damage done to his image during the Republican primary. Thirty-nine percent of Americans view him favorably, about the same as when he announced his presidential candidacy last June, while 48 percent see him unfavorably -- a 17-percentage point jump during a nomination fight dominated by attacks ads. A majority of likely voters, 55 percent, view him as more out of touch with average Americans compared with 36 percent who say the president is more out of touch.

So Americans apparently believe that President "Doing Fine" is 20 percentage points less "out of touch" with average Americans than his opponent. Fascinating. I'm sure he'll ponder that statistic as he enters the back nine on his 101st presidential golf outing. The survey sample is skewed, obviously, but let's address this survey from another perspective. Ask yourself the following questions:

(1) Do you believe Obama fever is twice as hot as it was in 2008 (when Obama won by roughly 6.5 points)? This poll says it is.

(2) How has Barack Obama netted 13 points since Bloomberg's March poll, which had the race tied at 47?

(3) Does Bloomberg have a better grasp on this race than Rasmussen and Gallup, both of which show Romney ahead today by identical 47-45 margins?

(4) Does Barack Obama have a commanding lead nationally, despite being tied or down in new polls out of Michigan and Iowa -- both states that he won by double digits last time?

(5) If Barack Obama is cruising to a decisive victory, why is an expanding pool of elected Democrats choosing to jump ship from September's Democratic National Convention, where Obama will be re-nominated?

(6) How massive would Obama's lead be if he hadn't just suffered a solid month of failed attacks, exploded narratives, party defections, botched events, inadvertent tells, and dreadful economic news? 30 points? 50?

Parting thought: With economic numbers being revised downward today, might the US cross back into negative job growth this month? It's ugly out there. Thank goodness the private sector is doing fine, and the president has so much breathing room in the polls. Thanks, Bloomberg.


TOPICS: Campaign News; Polls
KEYWORDS: economy; neroversusscaligula; obama; polls; romney
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

But that is 10X better than the Marxist we have now. Or do you disagree?

As a person, a human being, I think he's 10X better than Obama. As an individual acting the role of POTUS, I think he'll be slightly more Constitutional than Obama. As the figurehead of the ship we call "Conservatism in America", he's 50X more damaging than Obama. Even if we "win" this battle, we "lose" in that the war effort is set back. I sincerely believe electing Romney, and thereby defining contemporary conservatism in his sway, is more damaging to our movement than staying organized and focused on battling Obama positions. As Obama pushes hard left, the history books will record that he was slapped down for it, and hopefully impeached or arrested. As Romney pushes left, even if not hard, the history books will record that Republicans were the pro-abortion party, the pro-homosexual party, the pro-illegal-immigration party, the pro-stimulus-economy party, etc, etc, etc. That's a strategic mistake.


41 posted on 06/20/2012 2:36:54 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Believe this poll, ignore what happened to the Obama supporters in Wisconsin....


42 posted on 06/20/2012 2:38:22 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: RetiredTexasVet
You will see more of these fake polls all the way through the election. If the race is close and he loses, he will claim election fraud using the polls as proof. He will not relinquish power at the end of his term ... he will declare or cause an emergency situation where he can gain emergency powers .... remember that you are dealing with a communist. They never abide by the rules and change them as necessary.

Yep. With all due respect to your Lone Star state, we will have moved 100% from Marshall Dillon under Ike to Martial Law under the 0.

43 posted on 06/20/2012 2:38:44 PM PDT by masadaman
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; so_real
First of all, 2nd DV, I hope all is well with you and your wife -- I've have kept you in my prayers.

Second, you reply to so-real: We both know that’s not going to happen. We’re stuck with [Romney].

I sadly agree that unless we have a miracle, we will be looking at O v R in the presidential. That means that unless a miracle happens, regardless of how we vote a liberal will take the White House and be an enemy of conservatives in Congress.

We’ll be lucky if he picks a “Dan Quayle” type for VP, but I doubt if they’ll be even that conservative. There’ll be no “Sarah Palin” this time, I guarantee you. He is who he is. But that is 10X better than the Marxist we have now. Or do you disagree?

I agree that at this point in time, anyone looks 10X better than the Marxist we have now.

But one year into a Romney administration, when Obama was long forgotten and Romney was quietly, firmly snubbing conservatives at every turn as he advanced the global warming agenda, a "new" health care plan that looked very much like the old one, the homosexual agenda, and nominating liberal judges much like the ones he nominated in Massachusetts, a lot of rudely surprised conservatives would be kicking themselves and feeling a sick despair in the pits of their stomachs 10X worse than what they feel for Obama today.

Multiply that 10X if Romney wins by a landslide because while at this point in time WE all know such a landslide would be a referendum against Obama, one year into a Romney presidency that referendum would be perverted into a popular mandate for Romney's brand of progressivism. COUNT ON IT.

There is no such thing as voting "against" -- a vote is ONLY for something. A vote for Romney is a vote FOR advancing liberalism on the back of the Republican party, no matter how much those who voted for Romney intended it to be against Obama.

I will be voting FOR third party in the presidential race as a way to vote FOR splitting the vote so that whoever wins, enters office on such a weak plurality that he is defensive and vulnerable to enemies both within his own party and in the opposition party. I will vote FOR making the next government-advancing liberal president as weak and embattled as possible, so that conservatives have a better chance in their fight against him. Because our conservatives will find an enemy in the president regardless of which guy wins.

Many who vote for Romney will tell themsevles they're voting "against" Obama, but the reality is that they will be voting FOR the advance of liberalism, regardless of what they mean to vote "against."

44 posted on 06/20/2012 3:07:30 PM PDT by Finny (A deal with the devil is ALWAYS a losing proposition. Voting for Romney to avoid Obama is just that.)
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To: so_real
I sincerely believe electing Romney, and thereby defining contemporary conservatism in his sway, is more damaging to our movement than staying organized and focused on battling Obama positions.

I am right there with you, Bro. FReeper.

As Obama pushes hard left, the history books will record that he was slapped down for it, and hopefully impeached or arrested. As Romney pushes left, even if not hard, the history books will record that Republicans were the pro-abortion party, the pro-homosexual party, the pro-illegal-immigration party, the pro-stimulus-economy party, etc, etc, etc. That's a strategic mistake.

Your call is SPOT ON.

45 posted on 06/20/2012 3:13:15 PM PDT by Finny (A deal with the devil is ALWAYS a losing proposition. Voting for Romney to avoid Obama is just that.)
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To: AdaGray
The name ‘Bloomberg’ is becoming synonymous with BS.

LOL, so true but somehow it is also synonomous with fascist pig.

46 posted on 06/20/2012 3:13:20 PM PDT by jwalsh07 (.)
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To: muleskinner

“Outlier”

Agreed.


47 posted on 06/20/2012 3:19:01 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: a fool in paradise

Reagan and Carter were “too close to call” THAT DAY.


48 posted on 06/20/2012 3:20:17 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The poll is hard to believe. Whatever, I expect the pro-Obama forces to flood sites claiming to be Conservatives and trying to convince others not to vote for M. Romney, that Romney is no different from Obama. And this is a lie.. While Romney certainly is not my idea of a conservative, he is much better than B. Obama.

Obama is a left fanatic with a scary agenda. Romney is a politician who has shown that he is willing to change his positions, and it will be up to us to put on the pressure if he is elected.

49 posted on 06/20/2012 3:21:59 PM PDT by apocalypto
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To: Finny
As Obama pushes hard left, the history books will record that he was slapped down for it, and hopefully impeached or arrested..."

That's insane. If 'bam get a second term, he'll get really nasty. He'll gut the constitution, seize property, extort, appoint at least two leftist Supreme Court Justices (anybody want to bet on Eric Holder?), prosecute servicemen and citizens who defend themselves, open the borders... Do I need go on?

Slapped down? What's happened over the last two weeks, and what have we seen in the media? Impeached? Congress will have it's hands full trying to keep itself out of prison. History? We won't have any history for him to go down in.

Take a look at Venezuela. That is what we'll be if 'bam stays.

50 posted on 06/20/2012 3:38:58 PM PDT by tsomer
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To: tsomer
Venezuela isn't a superpower with thousands of nuclear weapons, a huge industrial base, two large minority groups and no one who can stop them if they go rogue. It'll be the USSR melded with Nazi Germany, with none of the charm. I expect Canada, Puerto Rico, Mexico, the Caribbean countries, Central America and Haiti to become US states or groups of states (vis North and South Dakota) and much more. I see veterans, Tea Partiers, Republicans who won't go along and many others trundled off to concentration camps or executed. It'll make 1984 and other such novels look like vacation brochures.
51 posted on 06/20/2012 3:50:51 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ich habe keinen Konig aber Gott)
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To: tsomer; so_real
Pinging so-real because the words you quoted were his, not mine. I agreed with his words.

If 'bam get a second term, he'll get really nasty. He'll gut the constitution, seize property, extort, appoint at least two leftist Supreme Court Justices (anybody want to bet on Eric Holder?), prosecute servicemen and citizens who defend themselves, open the borders...

Wrong. He'll try to do those things. Whether or not he succeeds is another thing altogether. If he faces a Congress newly replenished with conservative Republicans and an American public where nearly two in three voted against him, he will reveal himself to be the phony Oz he is.

Your lack of faith in the American system of government is something else. If Obama was that powerful, he'd have done all those things you say long before this. The truth is that Obama is a scarecrow doing excellent work at frightening birds into staying out of the field.

52 posted on 06/20/2012 3:55:05 PM PDT by Finny (A deal with the devil is ALWAYS a losing proposition. Voting for Romney to avoid Obama is just that.)
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To: Finny
Your lack of faith in the American system of government is something else...

That's true. Though it is the greatest system ever devised, but it's not fool-proof. A thing of such value--like a rare jewel-- needs to be guarded, it's processor must be constantly vigilant. We as a people have failed to do this, and teach our children to do the same.

A nation loses it's liberty when it ceases to deserve it.

"If Obama was that powerful, he'd have done all those things you say long before this.

'bam has moved carefully and gradually to lay the groundwork. His long range plan, it seems, assumed 2 terms. If he wins again, he'll have the flexibility he spoke of recently and none of the constraints his reelection has placed on him.

53 posted on 06/20/2012 7:48:35 PM PDT by tsomer
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To: Finny
Your lack of faith in the American system of government is something else...

That's true. Though it is the greatest system ever devised, but it's not fool-proof. A thing of such value--like a rare jewel-- needs to be guarded, it's processor must be constantly vigilant. We as a people have failed to do this, and teach our children to do the same.

A nation loses it's liberty when it ceases to deserve it.

"If Obama was that powerful, he'd have done all those things you say long before this.

'bam has moved carefully and gradually to lay the groundwork. His long range plan, it seems, assumed 2 terms. If he wins again, he'll have the flexibility he spoke of recently and none of the constraints his reelection has placed on him.

54 posted on 06/20/2012 8:48:33 PM PDT by tsomer
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To: tsomer

Not only did I post twice, I scrambled my point with a stupid typo: “processor” should be “possessor.”


55 posted on 06/20/2012 8:52:04 PM PDT by tsomer
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To: Finny; 2ndDivisionVet

Thanks Finny! I appreciate that you see the picture I see and that you have my back. And to 2DV, FRiend, I've read your posts and shared your threads for a long time and sincerely appreciate you. Don't think for a moment I don't have your back or that I don't trust you at mine; we're good. Romney will come and go; no matter. When TSHTF I hope I'm near your foxhole.


56 posted on 06/20/2012 9:26:44 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Bloomberg just had a another odd poll that showed a nearly 50/50 split in voters who support Obama’s unilaterial amnesty. I don’t beleive that one either.


57 posted on 06/20/2012 10:05:11 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: so_real

I’m not a Romney “supporter” I’m an ABO voter. I worked for Presidents Reagan and Carter, have met Presidents Ford and Bush 41 and worked on the campaigns of Al Haig and Steve Forbes. I raised about $40,000 for Fred Thompson and thousands for the Iowa Polk County GOP.


58 posted on 06/20/2012 10:51:29 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ich habe keinen Konig aber Gott)
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To: tsomer
[Obama will] have the flexibility he spoke of recently and none of the constraints his reelection has placed on him.

Really?

59 posted on 06/20/2012 11:04:13 PM PDT by Finny (A deal with the devil is ALWAYS a losing proposition. Voting for Romney to avoid Obama is just that.)
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To: Finny

Yes really. He can dispense with all the pretensions he’s tried to maintain of being a moderate and a consensus-seeker. As Chris Rock put it recently, he can get on with his “gangsta shit.”


60 posted on 06/21/2012 11:14:54 AM PDT by tsomer
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