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Frum: Repeal Is a Fantasy
The Daily Beast ^ | June 28, 2012 | David Frum, Canadian Über RINO

Posted on 06/28/2012 5:43:59 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

The Republican Plan B is to repeal Obamacare on Day 1 of a Romney presidency.

Good luck with that.

First, today's Supreme Court decision will make it a lot harder to elect Mitt Romney. President Obama has just been handed a fearsome election weapon. 2012 is no longer exclusively a referendum on the president's economic management. 2012 is now also a referendum on Mitt Romney's healthcare plans. The president can now plausibly say that a vote for the Republicans is a vote to raise prescription drug costs on senior citizens and to empower insurance companies to deny coverage to children for pre-existing conditions. Those charges will hurt—and maybe hurt enough to sway the election.

Second, even if Republicans do win the White House and Senate in 2012, how much appetite will they then have for that 1-page repeal bill? Suddenly it will be their town halls filled with outraged senior citizens whose benefits are threatened; their incumbencies that will be threatened. Already we are hearing that some Republicans wish to retain the more popular elements of the Affordable Care Act (ACA). Which means the proposed 1-page bill will begin to grow.

(VIDEO AT LINK)

Third, Mitt Romney has promised to grant states waivers from the obligations of the ACA. Not all states will ask for such waivers. Many will eagerly institute the ACA, which (let us not forget) includes large immediate grants of federal aid.

Fourth, Republicans will find the task of writing their "replace" law even more agonizing than the Democrats found original passage. The party has no internal consensus on what a replacement would look like. Worse, any replacement of the law's popular elements will require financing. But where is that money to come from? New taxes are unacceptable. The proceeds of "closing loopholes" are already spoken for—that's how President Romney has promised to finance his promise to cut the top rate of tax 28%. And he's also promised to increase defense spending.

Fifth, the clock is ticking. President Obama passed the ACA in the second year of his administration. A President Romney will have to pass repeal in the first year of his, because the law goes into effect in 2014. By then, states will have to have their exchanges up and working. And states that have put themselves through that work will not be very eager to see Washington undo it. If replacement does not happen in the first 100 days, it won't happen at all—that is, it won't happen as a single measure, but rather will take the form of dozens of small incremental changes adopted episodically over the next 20 years.

The outlook then: Even if Republicans win big in 2012, they will have to fight inch by bloody inch for changes they could have had for the asking in 2010. Truly, this is Waterloo—a Waterloo brought about by a dangerous combination of ideological frenzy, poor risk calculation, and a self-annihilating indifference to the real work of government.


TOPICS: Campaign News; Issues; U.S. Congress; U.S. Senate
KEYWORDS: 2012; abortion; congress; deathpanels; obama; obamacare; romney; zerocare

1 posted on 06/28/2012 5:44:00 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Fluke Frum.


2 posted on 06/28/2012 5:45:01 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Dude! Where's my Constitution?!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Obamacare begat the Tea Party.

The Tea Party begat the GOP route of 2010.

Obamacare lives, therefore the Tea Party grows stronger, and the election of 2012 draweth near.

3 posted on 06/28/2012 5:47:19 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I wonder what, if anything, Flum has to say about Plessy vs. Ferguson or Dredd Scott, should nobody have bothered trying to change anything, like segregation or slavery, because the Supreme Court said slavery and segregation were right, and they had to be undone in their decisions anyways. So dream on Flume, and %^(^*&%&* to you, because the only thing inerrant to me is God, and frankly he hasn’t dictated a commandment saying that I must bow down and accept every decision of the Supreme Court as inerrant and righteous.


4 posted on 06/28/2012 5:48:12 PM PDT by Morpheus2009
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To: FlingWingFlyer
Sorry Bob its only a tax 50 Senate Votes and VP Plus President Roomey.

@3 Democratic Senators are scared to death today.

5 posted on 06/28/2012 5:48:27 PM PDT by scooby321 (h tones)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Frum is gleeful in this column. He favors Obamacare obviously. He was the biggest phony conservative that ever lived.


6 posted on 06/28/2012 5:49:05 PM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Hell if David Frum says it’s Impossible, I’d say our chances just improved quite a bit to rid ourselves of this demon-spawn bill.


7 posted on 06/28/2012 5:49:25 PM PDT by KC_Lion (The Supreme Court issued their ruling on Obamacare. Soon, We the People shall issue ours.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

All Romney has to do is use the law to destroy the law. The executive branch was given the power to give exemptions. Romney can just exempt every person in every state in the union.


8 posted on 06/28/2012 5:49:58 PM PDT by Hawk1976 (It is better to die in on your feet than it is to live as on your knees.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I agree with him. It isn’t going to be repealed. At least not until the money runs out.


9 posted on 06/28/2012 5:50:32 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Will never be repealed.


10 posted on 06/28/2012 5:50:48 PM PDT by Logical me
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

A fantasy? Like Frum’s alleged “conservatism”?


11 posted on 06/28/2012 5:51:06 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Frum is an idiot.

2012 is no longer exclusively a referendum on the president's economic management.

That'a right Frum, now Obama has to explain why he is raising taxes on the middle class during a horrible economy.

Good luck with that.

12 posted on 06/28/2012 5:53:33 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Hawk1976

FRUM IS A PIMPLE ON THE BUTT OF A PIG.

I will never comply.

This decision is utter lawlessness.

IF the SC had 3 years to come up with this NONSENSE>

IT’s a tax?? What kind of tax?

I call Chief Justice Roberts the first AFFIRMATIVE ACTION JUSTICE.

HE GIVES A FAILING PAPER a B+. JUST LIKE WITH AA STUDENTS.
THEY DON”T DESERVE IT AND IT BITES THEM IN THE BUTT LATER>


13 posted on 06/28/2012 5:53:41 PM PDT by preamble
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Someone living in delusionland?

I guess, if Ted Kennedy went to Heaven to help to pass this Healthcare bill...anything is possible.
14 posted on 06/28/2012 5:54:17 PM PDT by Lucky9teen (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading.~Thomas Jeffer)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Frum is smokin' sumthin'.

A President Romney will have to pass repeal in the first year of his, because the law goes into effect in 2014. By then, states will have to have their exchanges up and working. And states that have put themselves through that work...

Didn't about half the states' AGs and Governors go on record against this already? Does anyone think they are even working on the exchanges? I don't think they will need to unwind much work.

In the case of ILL-ANNOY however, the minority leader in the House, Tom "Double-Cross" Cross (C-Combine, Plainfield)is already working with Crook County to start implementing KardashianCare.

The costs of KardashianCare (mandated cost shifts to the states for MedicAid) will take ILL-ANNOY from being equal to Greece, and put them down somewhere below Bangladesh. Not even Germany can bail us out.

15 posted on 06/28/2012 5:55:28 PM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.......)
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To: mylife

Let me add...

...explain to all those black and hispanic voters why he is taking a couple thousand annually out of their pockets.

Oh yea...and all us non special people in the middle class as well....while muslims and unions, along with other ‘waivered’ people skate the cost.


16 posted on 06/28/2012 5:57:18 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Time to stop being delusional about Washington DC doing anything other than continually growing the Federal Apparatus and taking more of the working mans cash and freedom to support itself.

The GOP has demonstrated when it was in control that it just redirects the money extorted on a slightly smaller scale from taxpayers to capitalists, as opposed to the Democrats who give ridiculous amounts of money that doesn’t even exist to communists and morons in exchange for votes.

Washington is the problem, will never be the solution (both parties).

They just fight over who gets to control the money extorted under penalty of imprisonment from the suckers outside the Beltway.

Collapse and reset are inevitable.


17 posted on 06/28/2012 5:57:32 PM PDT by Rome2000 (WILLARD ROMNEY -- MORMON MELCHIDEZEK BISHOP -HIS FAMILY HAS AVOIDED MILITARY SERVICE FOR GENERATIONS)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

18 posted on 06/28/2012 6:00:25 PM PDT by Bratch
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Frum also sounds like one of those self-medicators who gets together with others of his kind to swap prescription medications.

If we didn't have psychoactive medications we'd know how nutty these people really are and we could keep them out of positions of power and influence.

Our real battle is probably with GlaxoSmithKlin and not really the Leftwingtards.

19 posted on 06/28/2012 6:00:37 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If you read what Frum is saying you can deduct this:

The GOP will use our vote to elect Romney and so-called
Tea Party members, Then the GOP will do nothing to stop
Obamacare. Or the recent amnesty.

One wise poster here had it right. Obamacare won’t end
until the money runs out.(I guess he means a collapse).
With Obamacare, that collapse time frame has moved up
considerably.


20 posted on 06/28/2012 6:01:26 PM PDT by tennmountainman
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To: mylife

Obama has to explain why Romney’s plan is raising taxes on the middle class? Actually, he’s given up on the middle class already. He believes that others, coupled with imaginary voters will be enough.


21 posted on 06/28/2012 6:01:55 PM PDT by Ingtar ("As the light begins to fade in the city on the hill")
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Frum states that health care will replace the economy as the number one issue in the election.

No, it’s just another reminder of how much worse Americans are now than four years ago.


22 posted on 06/28/2012 6:02:55 PM PDT by Jaguarmike
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To: Norm Lenhart
"That huge suckin' sound is Barak Hussien Obama!"


23 posted on 06/28/2012 6:04:18 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Mmyeah. Dave, I’ll tell you like I told Peggy Noonan: There’s a reason they hired you to write the speeches and other people to make policy.


24 posted on 06/28/2012 6:10:41 PM PDT by RichInOC (Palin 2012: The Perfect Storm.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Romney probably does not have the courage to repeal it. However how about the protests of those of us who are being enslaved and taxed out of existence. How about those of us defending the rights of our children to their property and their lives.

As far as the protests of the old are concerned, give it a few years and the death panels will have done away with them. And it will be the rest of us whose parents you people just murdered you will have to face.


25 posted on 06/28/2012 6:11:54 PM PDT by formosa (Formosa)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

the commies isolated and threatened roberts..
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/05/obama-threatens-the-supreme-court-again/


26 posted on 06/28/2012 6:14:10 PM PDT by biggredd1
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To: muawiyah
Our real battle is probably with GlaxoSmithKlin and not really the Leftwingtards.
I believe you're right.

IIRC, the pharmaceutical companies really, REALLY wanted Obamacare.

27 posted on 06/28/2012 6:14:43 PM PDT by Bratch
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’m sure David Frum HOPES the Republicans will fail. He hasn’t liked the Republican party since the elites were taken down a peg or two by Reagan first, and most recently by the Tea Partiers, thus his comments about ‘ideological frenzy’. For some reason, it is only conservatives who are ever accused of that.


28 posted on 06/28/2012 6:16:58 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

End it. Don’t mend it.


29 posted on 06/28/2012 6:33:46 PM PDT by sportutegrl
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To: mylife
"That huge suckin' sound is Barak Hussien Obama!"

As crazy as we all thought he was at the time, America would have been much better off, had Ross Perot stayed in the 1992 race and beaten George H.W. Bush and Clinton that November.

30 posted on 06/28/2012 6:34:46 PM PDT by montag813
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Frum is right. War’s over, we lost.


31 posted on 06/28/2012 6:35:10 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

While it would warm my heart if the GOP developed enough spine to actually repeal anything, I’m going to prepare for street fighting anyway. Just.In.Case.


32 posted on 06/28/2012 6:39:02 PM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Can any one name an entitlement that’s been stopped?


33 posted on 06/28/2012 6:40:05 PM PDT by NoLibZone (We must get down on our knees each day and thank God that McCain/Palin didn't win in '08.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Frum is a loon, and an insult to even pseudo-conservatives.

I think this is the first time that I’ve agreed with him in the last five years at least.

So many desperate people who really seem to think that the weasel will save their chickens from the wolf.


34 posted on 06/28/2012 7:00:43 PM PDT by LegendHasIt
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

2012 is no longer exclusively a referendum on the president’s economic management. 2012 is now also a referendum on Mitt Romney’s healthcare plans.

WHAT IS THIS GUY SMOKING? INDEED, THE ECONOMY IS NOT THE ONLY [DOMESTIC] ISSUE NOW IN NOVEMBER. THERE IS ERIC HOLDER AND THE FAST & FURIOUS AFFAIR/COVER-UP, AND NOW THE SUBSTANCE OF OBAMACARE WILL BE AN ISSUE AS TO COSTS, NEW BUREAUCRACIES, ETC.

Republicans will find the task of writing their “replace” law even more agonizing than the Democrats found original passage.

HA. DOES HE THINK THERE IS NO SUPPORT FOR JUST REPEALING THE DAMN THING FIRST AND THEN WORKING ON A NEW PLAN?

[By 2014} states will have to have their exchanges up and working.

HE IS DELUSIONAL, SERIOUSLY SO. IF OBAMA LOSES IN NOVEMBER, ALL WORK ON IMPLEMENTATION WILL STOP IN ITS TRACKS.

Even if Republicans win big in 2012, they will have to fight inch by bloody inch for changes they could have had for the asking in 2010.

WHO IS HE KIDDING? BEFORE NOVEMBER, PELOSI, REID, AND OBAMA CARED NOT ONE IOTA FOR WHAT THE REPUBLICANS THOUGHT. AND AFTER THE 2010 ELECTIONS, THE SENATE WOULD NOT GO ALONG WITH ANY REPUBLICAN PLAN TO AMEND OBAMACARE.

Truly, this is Waterloo—a Waterloo brought about by a dangerous combination of ideological frenzy, poor risk calculation, and a self-annihilating indifference to the real work of government.

PERHAPS, BUT PERHAPS BECAUSE HE IS UPSIDE-DOWN, HE CAN’T TELL THE FRENCH FROM THE PRUSSIANS. IF THE MANDATE IS INDEED A TAX, THEN ALL THE EXEMPTIONS/WAIVERS HANDED OUT BY SIBELIUS AFTER THE PASSAGE OF OBAMACARE MIGHT BE VOID; PLUS, IF THE BILL THAT WAS ULTIMATELY PASSED IN 2010 ORIGINATED IN THE SENATE, THEN IT MIGHT BE UNCONSTITUTIONAL, BECAUSE ALL BILLS PERTAINING TO RAISING OF REVENUE MUST ORIGINATE IN THE HOUSE (PER THAT ANNOYING TECHNICALITY KNOWN AS THE CONSTITUTION).

SORRY THIS IS SO LONG.


35 posted on 06/28/2012 7:06:48 PM PDT by eddiespaghetti ((with the meatball eyes))
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To: eddiespaghetti
"SORRY THIS IS SO LONG."

The length is no problem. The shouting (excessive use of capitalization) is a bit annoying though.

36 posted on 06/28/2012 7:17:15 PM PDT by LegendHasIt
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To: eddiespaghetti

Reading capitalized posts is like eating raw, still bloody spaghetti!


37 posted on 06/28/2012 7:21:48 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: LegendHasIt

My apologies. I do it to distinguish the text I’ve copied from my commentary. I will try another method.

Likewise to spaghetti-eaters everywhere: mea culpa.


38 posted on 06/28/2012 9:04:31 PM PDT by eddiespaghetti ((with the meatball eyes))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I seem to recall that in about 1775 the conventional wisdom was that the colonies had no chance in opposing the edicts of King George. Perhaps Frum should read the declaration we celebrate on July 4th.


39 posted on 07/01/2012 7:29:54 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“President Obama has just been handed a fearsome election weapon”

There’s being a RINO, there’s being a lib, there’s being a socialist, and then there’s being plain stupid. Frum is not qualified to be a pundit.


40 posted on 07/02/2012 11:28:28 AM PDT by Tublecane
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

“Obamacare begat the Tea Party”

No, the bailouts did. Obamacare, or Obama in general, perhaps gave them 2010.


41 posted on 07/02/2012 11:30:02 AM PDT by Tublecane
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