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3 reasons Obama won't dump Joe Biden
The Week ^ | August 17, 2012 | Various pundits

Posted on 08/17/2012 1:06:23 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Some conservatives are slyly predicting that the president will jettison the vice president and put Hillary Clinton on his ticket. Here's why they're wrong:

After new wince-worthy gaffes by Vice President Joe Biden, conservative blogs are reviving old speculation that President Biden might give his old running mate the boot, and replace him with Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. The GOP's 2008 vice presidential candidate, Sarah Palin, folksily opined that an Obama-Clinton ticket would have a "darn-good chance of winning." Palin's old boss, 2008 nominee John McCain, chimed in that Obama might be "wise" to make the switch, but conventional wisdom still says flatly that the president would never do it. Why not? Here, three reasons:

1. Biden is good for the ticket It's totally irrelevant that Republicans don't like Biden and "think he's stupid," says Doug Mataconis at Outside the Beltway. The Obama campaign isn't trying reach hardcore conservatives, after all. Biden "relates to working class audiences in a way that President Obama has always had trouble doing, and he's a great surrogate to send to states like Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Michigan to rally the faithful." And he has certainly helped his ticket more than Palin ever helped hers. "The right would be wise not to underestimate him."

2. Obama can't admit Palin's right: With Palin egging him on, "Obama wouldn't dare take her advice and dump Biden from the ticket," says Ed Morrissey at Hot Air. "Even a medical reason would look like a panicked, defensive move," especially after Biden's recent bungles — mistaking Rep. Ryan for a governor, forgetting what century this is, suggesting Republicans want to put blacks "back in chains." The last time an incumbent vice president got purged from the ticket this late in the game was 1944. It looks like "Obama's stuck with Biden" now.

3. There's nothing in it for Hillary: Putting Hillary Clinton on the ticket might help Obama, says Dan Amira at New York, but there's "very little upside for her." Every poll says the 2016 Democratic presidential nomination is already hers "for the taking, if she's interested." Her solid stint as secretary of State has made her more popular than ever. "Why should she sully herself in the muck of this increasingly dirty race," or entangle herself with the baggage of a second Obama term? Even if Obama offered her the job — which he won't — she wouldn't want it.


TOPICS: Campaign News; Parties
KEYWORDS: biden; hillary; obama; palin
What a laffer!
1 posted on 08/17/2012 1:06:28 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The Obamadork does not want anyone more intelligent than he serving as VP.

As such, his only choice in the entire known universe was Slow Joe.


2 posted on 08/17/2012 1:10:06 PM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: Da Coyote

Her solid stint as secretary of State has made her more popular than ever

All the pundits talk about what a ‘solid’ job she has done. If there has been a success by the State Dept, I’d like someone to tell me what it was, giving Libya and Egypt to the Muslim Brotherhood? Alienating Poland, Israel, Germany, and having Russia look at us as wimps?

Just saying


3 posted on 08/17/2012 1:17:53 PM PDT by nobamanomore
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To: Da Coyote
The Obamadork does not want anyone more intelligent than he serving as VP. As such, his only choice in the entire known universe was Slow Joe.

There are a whole lot of Democrats in Congress who are even dumber than Obama. My first choice for his VP would be Hank Johnson.

4 posted on 08/17/2012 1:18:52 PM PDT by Maceman
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

No way our Dear Leader dumps Clueless Joe. That would just fill the water with more blood and the Dems know the sharks are already circling.

Hillary’s only chance is 2016 AND if the economy is still in the tank. If Romney/Ryan win and can right the ship, they’ll easily win re-election.

My prediction? Romney/Ryan win and the economy immediately begins to turn around, if for no other reason than Obama is gone and business owners will have a sense of relief and optimism. Add to that some true business sense and we’ll be headed in the right direction again.


5 posted on 08/17/2012 1:22:39 PM PDT by Kharis13 (That noise you hear is our Founding Fathers spinning in their graves.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Obama can't admit Palin's right: With Palin egging him on, "Obama wouldn't dare take her advice and dump Biden from the ticket," says Ed Morrissey at Hot Air.

This was a very shrewd move on the part of Palin; by loudly egging Obama to dump Biden, she made it impossible for him to do it so he's stuck with the perpetual gaffe machine. Now, part of the campaign is tasked with continual clean-up duty.

Genius!

6 posted on 08/17/2012 1:28:20 PM PDT by stormhill
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I took pity on Slow Joe and emailed him the solution. If you see somebody standing just behind him at the podium from now on, he’ll be a ventriloquist. I told him to ask Barney Frank where the hand goes.


7 posted on 08/17/2012 1:30:52 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; windcliff
1. Biden is good for the ticket It's totally irrelevant that Republicans don't like Biden and "think KNOW he's stupid,"

There, I fixed it.

8 posted on 08/17/2012 1:31:39 PM PDT by I Drive Too Fast
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

....#4..because Biden would do anything Odungo wants, because Odungo knows how much money Biden stole.


9 posted on 08/17/2012 1:34:10 PM PDT by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The #1 reason. Arkancide!!!.


10 posted on 08/17/2012 1:36:43 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: stormhill

“This was a very shrewd move on the part of Palin”

Agree. Now everyone else SHUT UP!


11 posted on 08/17/2012 1:39:00 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (This stuff we're going through now, this is nothing compared to the middle ages.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Has anyone seen how old and tired Hillary looks? She is too worn out to play the part of Obama’s little house boy, and even though she is rumored to be a dyke, she can’t give Obama the satisfaction a gay man could provide.


12 posted on 08/17/2012 1:42:37 PM PDT by pallis
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Sure. They don't want to do anything that would look like they were panicking, and they don't want to look like they're taking Sarah Palin's advice. Biden (even now, even him) probably does appeal to some voters that Obama leaves cold.

Even now, Biden has greater appeal in some White working-class communities, especially among union members. But that doesn't make him a "great campaigner." It just means that Obama is a particularly bad campaigner where some very important demographic groups are concerned.

13 posted on 08/17/2012 1:45:25 PM PDT by x
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
3. There's nothing in it for Hillary: Putting Hillary Clinton on the ticket might help Obama, says Dan Amira at New York, but there's "very little upside for her." Every poll says the 2016 Democratic presidential nomination is already hers "for the taking, if she's interested."

Liberals have defective memories...this is what was said about Hillary in 2008!!

14 posted on 08/17/2012 1:49:49 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Democrats are dangerous and evil. Republicans are useless and useful idiots.)
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To: Da Coyote

Oblammo has to have someone to blame his loss on in November...it’ll be vice president Strawman.


15 posted on 08/17/2012 1:50:13 PM PDT by FrankR (They will become our ultimate masters the day we surrender the 2nd Amendment.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The real reason is that with Biden in meetings, Obama is not the dumbest person in the room.
16 posted on 08/17/2012 1:55:08 PM PDT by Proud2BeRight
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Stand up Joe!

I am only here for the laughs.


17 posted on 08/17/2012 1:58:38 PM PDT by hadaclueonce (you are paying 12% more for fuel because of Ethanol. Smile big Corn Lobby,)
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To: Kharis13

Businesses are sitting on TRILLIONS of dollars waiting for Obama to be gone. When Romney/Ryan win, this economy is going to take off - noticeable probably before Obama is out of office!


18 posted on 08/17/2012 2:05:13 PM PDT by SW6906 (6 things you can't have too much of: sex, money, firewood, horsepower, guns and ammunition.)
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To: stormhill
This was a very shrewd move on the part of Palin; by loudly egging Obama to dump Biden, she made it impossible for him to do it so he's stuck with the perpetual gaffe machine. Now, part of the campaign is tasked with continual clean-up duty.

I agree this was a great move on Palin's part. Not because "Obama would be seen to agree with Palin"; but because makes it difficult for them to explain away dropping Biden as anything other than what it is. If they try to do it, everyone will know she called them on it.

19 posted on 08/17/2012 2:17:44 PM PDT by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Her solid stint as secretary of state?”

If any pundit thinks Hillary was a good secretary of state, that’s some mighty strong weed they’re smoking.


20 posted on 08/17/2012 2:18:06 PM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (The Second Amendment makes all the other amendments possible.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Joe was the pResident’s impeachment insurance.


21 posted on 08/17/2012 2:23:32 PM PDT by Thom Pain (U.S. Constitution is a CONTRACT!)
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation

Come on now. Hillary is much better than her old friend Madeline who she hired during Slick’s term in office. Hmmm, I just made your point, didn’t I.


22 posted on 08/17/2012 2:42:55 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: Da Coyote
do you really think Hillary is more intelligent than Hussein?? after all they are both just low ladder former attorneys..don't believe either ever had a real case in a real Court..in fact Hussein no longer even has a Law License..probably never did, we aren't sure as ALL his records are under lock and key... by 2016 Mitt and Paul will be running once again, so old Hillary will have to wait until 2020 if she lasts that long, she is not looking too spiffy lately...some age well some don't!!! have a great week end♥
23 posted on 08/17/2012 2:45:01 PM PDT by haircutter
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If Obama replaces Biden it becomes a public acknowledgement of his earlier incompetence in picking somebody who was not a dependable fit for being Vice President in the first place. It also ought to remind reminiscent voters that the Democrat party just offered folks like Joe Biden and John Edwards to us as their most presidential material, and a scant few years later it has become embarrassingly clear that they are unfit for even a largely ceremonial position like Vice President. And those who aren’t willfully ignorant will note that Obama is in way over his head also .


24 posted on 08/17/2012 3:49:38 PM PDT by ME-262 (Ichabod)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
3 reasons Obama won't dump Joe Biden

Mebbe. Mebbe not.

Sharks have to keep swimming to stay alive.

Hillary has to stay in politics to stay alive. And she WANTS that presidency.

Oh, how she wants it.


25 posted on 08/17/2012 5:42:51 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; devolve; ntnychik; potlatch; musicman; onyx; dixiechick2000; FARS; Fred Nerks; ...

26 posted on 08/17/2012 5:49:37 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hussein: Islamo-Commie from Fakistan)
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To: PhilDragoo

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Excellent Phil

Cocaine, multiple aliases, lied on IL law license application, gave up law IL license, illegally rules by executive order, backs same-sex marriage

What is sealed/unknown is huge

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27 posted on 08/17/2012 6:50:54 PM PDT by devolve (-------------------- ------- "...maybe a little blow... line by line -------------)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Vet, Obama will no shiite-can Ole Joe.

However, it is entirely possible that Ole Joe (aka "Joey Plugs) might take himself out of the race. Or he'll at least try. Poor old guy's brain is going faster than before.

Since Hillary is far too cunning a stunt to jump on Obama's broken wagon, look for someone odd, Like Joe Lieberman, or Lincoln Chaffee. Hell, it might even be Janet Lesbitano! Or, get this: Colin Powell, anyone?

28 posted on 08/17/2012 8:55:15 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (against GZ are dismissed))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I always thought Biden was on the ticket for assassination insurance. Who would assassinate Obama if they would end up with Biden?

On the other hand, if Hillary was VP, Obama would spend all his time concerned about when he would end up in Fort Marcy Park.


29 posted on 08/19/2012 7:51:41 PM PDT by MacombBob
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