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***GOP Goes Alinsky on Obama***
P J Media ^ | August 31, 2012 - 8:27 am - | J.Christian Adams

Posted on 09/01/2012 6:52:16 PM PDT by djone

" I detected a change from past GOP conventions that bears mention. The Republicans seem to at last be reading Rules for Radicals by Saul Alinsky. The messages and tactics of Alinsky, long the monopoly of the Left, have been discovered by the Right..A couple of examples. ...First, Clint Eastwood’s speech was pure Alinsky.. RULE 5: “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.” There is no defense. It’s irrational. It’s infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions...The mockery of the empty chair was straight out of Rule 5, and predictably, the Left is seething and irrational over it. But the message of the night was Alinsky’s RULE 4:... “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.” If the rule is that every letter gets a reply, send 30,000 letters. You can kill them with this because no one can possibly obey all of their own rules."

(Excerpt) Read more at pjmedia.com ...


TOPICS: Florida; Campaign News
KEYWORDS: clinteastwood; eastwoo; gopconvention; jchristianadams; rulesforradicals; saulalinsky
"...No G-Damning America in Romney’s background. And perhaps one of the most devastating contrasts of the night...."
1 posted on 09/01/2012 6:52:19 PM PDT by djone
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To: djone

Not surprising — Romney’s daddy, whom he lists as his mentor, was a friend of Alinsky and promoted him within the GOP.


2 posted on 09/01/2012 6:54:43 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: djone

Except we call it, KarmAlinsky. “What goes around, comes around.”


3 posted on 09/01/2012 6:57:17 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Had enough of the freaks running the show yet?)
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To: djone

Some more of Rule #5

Twitter is (as they say) on fire tonight

http://twitter.com/#!/search/realtime/%23OverheardAtDNC2012

‘Overheard At DNC 2012’ is great!


4 posted on 09/01/2012 7:00:31 PM PDT by libertarian27 (Check my profile page for the FReeper Online Cookbook 2011)
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To: TBP

George Romney did a lot of things in his life, and Mitt has scrupulously and zealously repeated every one of them many times over. In fact Mitt Romney IS George Romney. Mentor, my foot...that’s a diversion, an illusion presented by Mitt. He is his father’s twin, clone, pick your descriptive word.

That’s how we KNOW that Mitt is a diehard Alinskyite.

And that’s how we know he’s identical to George in every other possible way, too.

You were waaaaaayyyy too easy on the guy.

LOL


5 posted on 09/01/2012 7:06:34 PM PDT by txrangerette ("HOLD TO THE TRUTH...SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR." - Glenn Beck)
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To: txrangerette

Don’t care. Get him in the white house. Get majorities in the house and senate. Change the rules to 51 votes and drag him kicking and screaming back to the right.

And if he doesn’t like it, President Paul Ryan has a nice ring to it.


6 posted on 09/01/2012 7:18:43 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (ABO 2012)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Exactamundo - the purists would have us wait until our messiah comes around - at which point we will have been in hell for a century.

I’m satisfied with one step at a time - as long as it’s in the right direction.

Romney/Ryan may not be our messiah but they’re one step in the right direction. It will be up to us, the citizens of this country, the bosses, to monitor and make sure our employees (Romney and Ryan and the rest of our representatives) do a good job.


7 posted on 09/01/2012 7:32:48 PM PDT by aquila48
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To: aquila48

Thank you, somebody on this sight that is realistic


8 posted on 09/01/2012 7:37:16 PM PDT by scbison
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To: djone

9 posted on 09/01/2012 7:49:25 PM PDT by OL Hickory (Jesus and the American soldier-1 died for your soul/1 died for your freedom)
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To: aquila48; EQAndyBuzz
There it is.

Repeat, repeat and repeat again.

Don’t care. Get him in the white house. Get majorities in the house and senate. Change the rules to 51 votes and drag him kicking and screaming back to the right. And if he doesn’t like it, President Paul Ryan has a nice ring to it.

Exactamundo - the purists would have us wait until our messiah comes around - at which point we will have been in hell for a century. I’m satisfied with one step at a time - as long as it’s in the right direction. Romney/Ryan may not be our messiah but they’re one step in the right direction. It will be up to us, the citizens of this country, the bosses, to monitor and make sure our employees (Romney and Ryan and the rest of our representatives) do a good job.

10 posted on 09/01/2012 7:50:36 PM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum)
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To: TBP

“was a friend of Alinsky and promoted him within the GOP.”

I’d like to learn more about that!


11 posted on 09/01/2012 7:52:05 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: scbison

I second and third that. No Reagan at this time so we need to take baby steps. I believe Romneys Ideas are good ones. Energy independance first and foremost. Jobs, jobs, jobs. With Oil coal and other natural resource exploration and utilization the jobs will flow in from the bottom up. The engineers to the janitors at the energy plants. And finally get the damn arabs off our backs. Tell them to start buying from us. We have enough natural resources in our country for years and years to come. Romney may not be perfect but he is what we have and Obama is what we need to say “NO NO we are mad as hell and not going to take it any more”.


12 posted on 09/01/2012 7:56:39 PM PDT by crazydad (-` sd)
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To: scbison

I’ve been saying the same things for the last month, and gotten excoriated for it here.


13 posted on 09/01/2012 7:57:09 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine (I need a good stiff drink. How 'bout you?)
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To: djone
Oh, bullcrap. One does not have to be an Alinskyite to ridicule Obama and Biden. They're BEGGING to be made fun of. Obama's sanctimony coupled with his incompetence is a huge target, even if most Hollywood comedians fail to acknowledge it. Biden? Where do I start? It doesn't take the influence of a radical communist to do that.

Making them live up to their own rules? Please. Pointing out Obama's broken campaign promises is not what Alinsky taught. A better example would be making them live up to their own impossible standards of political correctness, or accusing them of using racist 'dog whistles,' or pointing out their excessive use of energy despite their claims of how 'green' they are (Eastwood did this to Obama Thursday night).

The left does this to the right when they discover Republicans performing homosexual toe-tapping in men's rooms, or having extramarital affairs, or accuse them of paying for abortions. Broken campaign promises don't have quite the same sting as accusations of hypocrisy committed against one's own declared moral belief system. That's what Alinsky meant by making your opponent live up to his own rules. 'Hoisting by one's own petard,' as it were.

Regarding Rule 11: If you follow Alinksy, you don't attack and then offer the constructive alternative yourself. The Alinskyite tactic is to make the opponent (or 'enemy' if you're Obama) offer the constructive alternative when he attacks you - e.g. "You're right. I don't know how to solve this problem. What is your plan?" You would have to be fairly confident that your opponent doesn't have that plan. One could say that Romney was actually countering the Alinskyite tactic before it was employed.

As for pick the target, polarize, freeze ..., well, Romney is running against Obama and his failed presidency. It doesn't take a radical Alinskyite to identify that particular target. But Alinsky was talking about putting a face to a faceless target on a more local level. If you want to fight City Hall, which is a faceless, inhuman entity, you can't do that as effectively as if you pick a person as a scapegoat and gin up hatred among the masses against him, a la Snowball in Animal Farm, or Emmanuel Goldstein in 1984.

A little ridicule from Clint Eastwood does not an Alinskyite campaign make. I seriously doubt Romney's campaign is going to sink to the level of an Alinsky operation.

14 posted on 09/01/2012 8:06:48 PM PDT by GenXFreedomFighter (Breitbart was right: If you don't vote for the Republican nominee , you are on the other side.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

I agree with you. It would be very hard to have this ship do a 180 all at once. You will never get that many people to get on board. But incrementally, with a successful righting of the economy and foreign policy, we can start turning her around and influence more people. That’s my hope anyway. Mitt Romney was not my first choice, or my second, but this is the choice we have and I for one am not staying home come election time. As Sarah says, Anyone But Obama.


15 posted on 09/01/2012 8:15:34 PM PDT by mancini
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To: djone

16 posted on 09/01/2012 8:22:24 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (The saving of America starts the day Christians stop supporting what they say they hate.)
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To: TBP

Alinsky was brilliant and his methods work equally well for our side. For too long “we” have brought a knife to a gun fight. It’s about time!


17 posted on 09/01/2012 8:32:14 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: EQAndyBuzz; aquila48; scbison; Tainan; crazydad; Emperor Palpatine; mancini

Finally some voices of sanity around here. Romney is definitely NOT my preferred choice, but that’s not the point anyway. The point is that the Founders designed a divided govt so that no one office or level has all the power. It makes it far, far more difficult for one man or one office to take the whole thing over.

That’s why the Presidential fixation in this country makes me want to puke. Presidents can’t write laws and can even have their veto overruled. This is why supporting races at all levels is crucial. That gives the left more targets to aim for, and diffuses their attack. Now we have learned that even the states are in play with their ability to enact Voter ID and limit public sector union bargaining, which strangles the Democrat union ATM machine.

If we get good conservatives with backbone in Congress, we hold Romney’s feet to the fire. We MUST start thinking multiprong strategy if we want to defeat them. There are so many angles to attack them from if we are just willing to do so.

On Eastwood, what he did wasn’t Alinsky, it was counter-Alinsky. The problem with ridicule tactics is that when you target someone or something, it at the same time reveals what you fear and/or what is your priority. Eastwood is an icon’s icon, up there with John Wayne, Elvis, Johnny Cash, and Hank Williams. It is quite dangerous and dicey to go after someone like that, and the Left doing so only shows how craven, bankrupt, bloodthirsty, and power mad they are.

With that one little ad lib skit he left them bleeding on multiple fronts. Pure genius.


18 posted on 09/01/2012 9:05:11 PM PDT by Free Vulcan (Election 2012 - America stands or falls. No more excuses. Get involved.)
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To: Free Vulcan; All

Dunno about anyone else but my game plan is this:

Elect Romney to stop Zero. Elect the most conservative possible Senate and House to stop Romney.

Who’s with me?


19 posted on 09/01/2012 9:12:05 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine (I need a good stiff drink. How 'bout you?)
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To: Emperor Palpatine

There. We are also 2 seats from having the Iowa Senate in addition to the House and Gov. Our Sec. State Matt Schultz is chomping to get voter ID on the books. Squeezing the unions is Gov. Branstad’s priority as well.

That’s where I’m focused, but my district has a super House candidate with John Archer who’s trying to beat aging commie-hippie Dave Loebsack, Nancy P’s personal lapdog. I help out there when I can.


20 posted on 09/01/2012 9:25:20 PM PDT by Free Vulcan (Election 2012 - America stands or falls. No more excuses. Get involved.)
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To: Free Vulcan

The thing I liked most about Eastwood’s skit wasn’t his humor (though it was good) but the very important reminder that POLITICIANS AND BUREAUCRATS ARE OUR EMPLOYEES!!! Not the other way around.

The political class has gotten way too uppity. It is time we clip their wings.

We have to starve the beast and watch it like a hawk!


21 posted on 09/01/2012 9:25:35 PM PDT by aquila48
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To: bigbob

Alinsky does’t work when the truth becomes as obvious as the sun.

And Christians need to stay away from Alinsky tactics. We can’t follow two masters.


22 posted on 09/01/2012 9:58:08 PM PDT by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: djone
***GOP Goes Alinsky on Obama***

Well, it's about freaking time. I was wondering how long it would take the Republicans (and even a few folks around here) to stop whining about the rats' use of Alinsky tactics (as if they were classified materials available only to the rats) and start employing them themselves AGAINST the rats.

Now, the day I see conservative activists employ "the diamond tactic" at a big public gathering I will really be impressed.

23 posted on 09/01/2012 10:16:03 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard; Ms. AntiFeminazi; CAluvdubya
I have used that tactic twice with astounding success.

First was when I served jury duty on an aggravated sexual assault case. We all knew the guy was guilty as sin, but only three of us knew he deserved life in prison (the highest we could give him). By accident we were sitting opposite from each other, but we verbally supported what the other had to say. After a few votes the group began to see it our way. As it was happening I realized we were using Alinsky's tactic. The perp got slammed with life in prison.

The other time was when a group of us parents were fighting a really bad sex ed program, we decided to "pass the football around," a technique we made up which consisted of taking control of the debate at the meeting by verbally talking to each other as if no one else was in the room. It worked like a charm. We did a few other things that frustrated their entire effort. The program was eventually pulled. Our whole effort was a real blast.

The first thing you have to realize is that you don't need to be afraid. These people, INCLUDING Barack Obama are actually paper tigers.

Know your enemy. Plan your tactics. Work your plan. Fearlessly.

They will fall before they know it.

24 posted on 09/01/2012 10:59:33 PM PDT by Slyfox
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To: dragonblustar
And Christians need to stay away from Alinsky tactics. We can’t follow two masters.

See post # 24.

25 posted on 09/01/2012 11:02:50 PM PDT by Slyfox
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To: Slyfox

That’s a great post, very encouraging.
Thanks for that uplift.


26 posted on 09/01/2012 11:03:51 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: OL Hickory
YOU TALKIN TO ME ?


27 posted on 09/01/2012 11:06:07 PM PDT by timestax (Why not drug tests for the President AND all White Hut staff ? ? ?)
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To: djone
No serving in the military by the Romney family in any of the wars going back at least 100 years either.

He likes to talk about military options though.

28 posted on 09/01/2012 11:11:07 PM PDT by Rome2000 (WILLARD ROMNEY -- MORMON MELCHIDEZEK BISHOP -HIS FAMILY HAS AVOIDED MILITARY SERVICE FOR GENERATIONS)
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To: GenXFreedomFighter
Regarding Rule 11: If you follow Alinksy, you don't attack and then offer the constructive alternative yourself. The Alinskyite tactic is to make the opponent (or 'enemy' if you're Obama) offer the constructive alternative when he attacks you - e.g. "You're right. I don't know how to solve this problem. What is your plan?" You would have to be fairly confident that your opponent doesn't have that plan. One could say that Romney was actually countering the Alinskyite tactic before it was employed.

Obama: Romney's 'got to let people know' about Afghanistan plans (politico44 ^ | 9/1/12 | REID J. EPSTEIN)

Funny thing is, all throughout the 2004 scampaign, John Fragging Kerry said that he "had a plan". Never did bother to share it with Congress or the public or the President.

"We have to pass the bill so you can find out what's in it!" -Nancy Culture of Corruption Pelosi.

29 posted on 09/02/2012 7:03:44 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Only Obama put a dog on the roof of his mouth. Dogs are friends, not food.)
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To: Slyfox

Alinsky by any other name is evil. I know I’ve practiced it in the past, but I don’t want to continue. It is evil to the core.

You can go after the truth with vigor and gusto but to take on the practices of a man who dedicates his book to satan is something else. I don’t like how Alinsky values character assassination because with liberals, that often means to lie about a person.

I worry that if we start taking up the side of Alinsky, we will become like the left. I’ve already seen his practices used on other republicans from fellow republicans. Its the dark side of politics and once you go down that road, use Alinsky’s tactics because it’s easier and quicker, it becomes harder to leave it.


30 posted on 09/02/2012 9:02:59 AM PDT by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: dragonblustar
I have studied Alinsky, in fact I was the very first one to post an article about him on this site.

Alinsky took Machiavelli and updated him for a new generation. It was as if he sat down with a copy of "The Prince" said a prayer to Lucifer for inspiration and started writing.

Now, if you are aware of his tactics, it gives you the advantage of understanding your opponent enough to know what he will do next. And then you can work on the offensive which puts you in the football in your hand.

Now, am I advocating to work by Alinsky tactics? Nope. Feeding 200 homeless people beans and then taking them to a posh event so they can expel those beans on cue is not something I would ever emulate. But knowing that THEY would do something like that IS important. Michael Moore pulls those kind of stunts. And, I think it is a good idea to know this.

The number one rule of war is to know your enemy. It is in the U.S. Army rule book. Alinsky is Obama's tactician, and we are fooling ourselves if we think we can ignore him.

31 posted on 09/02/2012 9:34:26 AM PDT by Slyfox
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To: Slyfox
and we are fooling ourselves if we think we can ignore him.

I agree. What I object to is seeing people as the enemy. I know that's hard because there are some real a-holes but calling people that disagree with you an enemy is a dangerous road to walk on. The left has a tendency to go to the extreme with that kind of thinking.

And another thing I don't like is how using Alinsky/the Prince have left the country. It's not a better place because of it. This country is so divided. Look what it's done to the left. They're bitter and twisted. If using that tactic works, it comes with one hell of a price.

32 posted on 09/02/2012 8:49:02 PM PDT by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: dragonblustar
I don't advocate using Alinsky's tactics, but what I do see as important is knowing him well enough that you can out fox them.

Where Alinsky-ites use ridicule we must use humor. Where they seeth with hate we use love.

I like to call it fighting virtuously.

33 posted on 09/02/2012 9:50:11 PM PDT by Slyfox
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To: Slyfox

That’s a good point.


34 posted on 09/02/2012 10:29:04 PM PDT by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: DBrow

http://www.wnd.com/2012/01/romneys-connection-to-saul-alinsky/

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2012/01/24/mitt-romneys-dad-was-an-alinsky-follower/

http://dailycaller.com/2012/01/24/when-saul-alinsky-met-george-romney/

http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/photo-exclusive-when-george-romney-met-saul-alins

http://fromthetrenchesworldreport.com/the-romney-alinsky-connection/19226/

http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/romney-saul-alinsky-6644106

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/03/05/1071322/-Conservatives-Silent-About-Romney-Alinsky-Link(Listed to show the dishonesty of the Daily Kos.)

http://sago.com/2012/01/24/when-liberal-governor-george-romney-met-saul-alinsky/

http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/The-312/January-2012/Saul-Alinsky-Satanist/

http://thecaptiansquarters.blogspot.com/2012/02/romney-alinsky-connection.html

There are plenty more articles on this.


35 posted on 09/11/2012 3:41:54 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: DBrow

http://www.wnd.com/2012/01/romneys-connection-to-saul-alinsky/

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2012/01/24/mitt-romneys-dad-was-an-alinsky-follower/

http://dailycaller.com/2012/01/24/when-saul-alinsky-met-george-romney/

http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/photo-exclusive-when-george-romney-met-saul-alins

http://fromthetrenchesworldreport.com/the-romney-alinsky-connection/19226/

http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/romney-saul-alinsky-6644106

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/03/05/1071322/-Conservatives-Silent-About-Romney-Alinsky-Link(Listed to show the dishonesty of the Daily Kos.)

http://sago.com/2012/01/24/when-liberal-governor-george-romney-met-saul-alinsky/

http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/The-312/January-2012/Saul-Alinsky-Satanist/

http://thecaptiansquarters.blogspot.com/2012/02/romney-alinsky-connection.html


36 posted on 09/11/2012 3:42:21 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: TBP

Wow, TPB, when you research something you don’t go half-way, thanks!


37 posted on 09/11/2012 5:55:50 PM PDT by DBrow
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