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Hillary’s choice
Tea Party Nation ^ | October 14, 2012 | Judson Phillips

Posted on 10/14/2012 7:48:18 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

I don’t often give Democrats advice but when I do, it is good advice.

Hillary Clinton has a choice she has to make. This one should seem like an obvious choice. It is a tough choice but obvious.

What is it?

Barack Obama is throwing Hillary under the bus. Obama cannot accept blame for anything and his handling of the Benghazi Consulate attack has been nothing short of disastrous. Obama not only lied about the attack, he blamed the violence on an idiotic video instead of its real cause, Islamic terrorism.

Unfortunately for Obama, the scandal is blowing up in their faces. Obama must deflect criticism of himself, so what does he do? He is throwing Hillary under the bus.

What does Hillary do?

There is some irony here. Bill Clinton has been the one Obama has called on to be his lifesaver. Bill Clinton was the star of the Democrat Convention, not Obama.

This is how Barack Obama repays Bill Clinton.

Sources say Bill Clinton is furious and Obama will not return his calls.

Hillary has made no secret of the fact she plans to leave if there is a second Obama term. She has also made it no secret that she is looking at running in 2016.

So what should she do?

She should resign a week before the election. She should do it in a very loud and public manner. She should lay waste to the Obama Regime.

One of the reasons Hillary is not doing this is because she fears many in the Democrat Party would hold it against her that she destroyed Obama’s reelection chances.

She is right. Initially that is exactly what would happen. But that is a short-term problem. Four years from now, when the Democrats have their next convention, Barack Obama is not going to be welcomed back like a conquering hero. In other words, he is not going to be welcomed back like Bill Clinton was welcomed to Charlotte.

Democrats look back with nostalgia to the days of the Clinton Presidency. They do not look back with nostalgia to the days of the Carter Presidency. The Obama term will be the same as the Carter term.

Hillary wants to run for President in 2016. If Obama wins, that will not happen. First, as unbelievable as it sounds, Joe Biden would be poised to run and be the nominee.

Second, as soon as Obama is reelected, Bill and Hillary will be cast on the trash heap. Not only will the Obama team blame Hillary for Benghazi, they will spend the next four years totally destroying her. Obama hates the Clintons. Theirs has been an alliance of necessity for the last four years but once the election is over, Obama does not need them any more.

He would love nothing better than to destroy Hillary and make certain she is not on the ballot in 2016.

The Republicans will hold Congressional inquiries but they will be nothing compared to what the Obama team will do to her.

The question is, will Hillary do what it takes to sink Obama?


TOPICS: Campaign News; Issues; Parties
KEYWORDS: benghazi; biden; billclinton; clinton; hillary; libya; obama; romney
I'd pay money to see that.
1 posted on 10/14/2012 7:48:20 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
".......instead of its real cause, the violins of Jihad as proscribed by all of the teachings of Islam Islamic terrorism.
2 posted on 10/14/2012 7:52:34 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“The question is, will Hillary do what it takes to sink Obama?”

Hillary will do whatever is good for Hillary period.


3 posted on 10/14/2012 7:54:49 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"....Joe Biden would be poised to run and be the nominee. "

WAY Beyond unbelievable.

4 posted on 10/14/2012 7:55:22 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“she fears many in the Democrat Party would hold it against her that she destroyed Obama’s reelection chances.”

She could kiss the black vote good bye if she did that. The blacks would never forgive her. I believe that would destroy her 2016 chances if they are not gone already. I think the best way for her to get even is through leaks harmful to Obama. This could really get good. That 9/11 date is coming in handy for this election.


5 posted on 10/14/2012 7:57:03 PM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: Paladin2

Believe it:

Report: Biden laying the groundwork for 2016
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-gop/2923879/posts


6 posted on 10/14/2012 8:01:40 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Hillary is too chicken to do anything but suck up to her Mack-daddy.


7 posted on 10/14/2012 8:01:55 PM PDT by gotribe (He's a mack-daddy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AV415yit7Zg)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I hate to say it, but once again, this is not necessarily an either/or situation.

As with the Gun-Runner scandal, Barry and Hillary are both up to their necks in this, IMHO. The State Department refused to fund security for embassies, although they apparently have plenty of money for it. And Hillary jumped in and lied with the best of them when the murder broke into the news.

Not only that, but Barry’s love affair with the Muslim Brotherhood, and his penchant for siding with the Arabs, is no worse than Hillary’s love affair with the same Muslim terrorists.

It would be one thing if she refused to be thrown under the bus because she had nothing to do with it. But I think the tar of guilt is smeared all over her as well as over Barry Hussein.

Of course, the media are incredibly skilled at hiding such guilt, and they would jump to do it if they thought that Hillary would make the best replacement for Barry in implementing their Communist, one-world designs.


8 posted on 10/14/2012 8:02:07 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Paladin2
WAY Beyond unbelievable.

Exactly. The next democrat nominee will be hispanic.

9 posted on 10/14/2012 8:02:58 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

There is a back room where all deals are made. Obama has something on the Clintons or they would not serve him despite all his betrayals of them. Obama knows how to press buttons and manipulate his puppets. Only those who love and serve the truth can avoid the fear and greed of cult Obama. If the heart is impure, Obama can get in there and rule.


10 posted on 10/14/2012 8:04:15 PM PDT by Armaggedon
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I don’t see Obobo throwing anybody under any bus. What are you looking at? Besides, the News Media decides who gets thrown under any buses. And they are sitting on this scandal.
So what can WE do about THEM ?


11 posted on 10/14/2012 8:04:34 PM PDT by timestax (Why not drug tests for the President AND all White Hut staff ? ? ?)
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To: rockinqsranch

The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Does this mean we now will support Hillary in this Benghazi mess?


12 posted on 10/14/2012 8:05:12 PM PDT by taterjay
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To: Paladin2

Joe Biden would never get past the primaries.


13 posted on 10/14/2012 8:06:09 PM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Second, as soon as Obama is reelected, Bill and Hillary will be cast on the trash heap. Not only will the Obama team blame Hillary for Benghazi, they will spend the next four years totally destroying her. Obama hates the Clintons. Theirs has been an alliance of necessity for the last four years but once the election is over, Obama does not need them any more.

This, I believe, is true .... Clintons will be persona non grata to Obama if he's re-elected and the former SoS will be blamed for everything .... she might become the new 'Bush'.

14 posted on 10/14/2012 8:06:26 PM PDT by MissMagnolia (Being powerful is like being a lady. If you have to tell people you are, you aren't. (M.Thatcher))
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To: timestax

You haven’t been watching the last three days, then. Axelrod and the press office are blaming the State Department, unabashedly.


15 posted on 10/14/2012 8:07:36 PM PDT by ilgipper
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Sounds like a fairy tale... but Hillary is washed up... she has been used like a scullery wash rag and she has no bearing on reality (what liberal does)... she thinks she is serving a noble progressive cause and imagines herself “queen of the trampled”... she counts it a badge of honor to be discarded for the high cause of progressivism, almost the same as a jihadist suicide bomber gives up his body for his fanatical illusion.


16 posted on 10/14/2012 8:08:53 PM PDT by dps.inspect (rage against the Obama machine...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’ll bet Hillary is cutting a backroom deal as we speak.


17 posted on 10/14/2012 8:09:02 PM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: Huskrrrr

Cutting a back room deal with who and for what??


18 posted on 10/14/2012 8:10:25 PM PDT by dps.inspect (rage against the Obama machine...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Hillary’s political career is toast is she does not distance herself from Obama.


19 posted on 10/14/2012 8:10:32 PM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The question is, will Hillary do what it takes to sink Obama?

Only if it can be done in such way that she has *complete* denial-ability.

For reasons we can only guess at, she took a dive in 08 and allowed him to get the nomination. She had the ammo to put his lazy ass through a PR meat grinder and didn't. The Clintons are as cold, calculating and ruthless as they come. It's hard to believe she will take the fall for this.

OTOH, what could possibly have compelled them/her to kiss off a sure thing in getting the 08 nomination? And is that unknown still in play?

20 posted on 10/14/2012 8:11:27 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

... Hillary, old sister, daughter — free yourself from the bondage of this party you serve. They have throw you under the bus so many times — have you no pride ?? Walk away now, as I did in 2008 when they first threw you under. My Country is more important than my personal wants. Hillary “your” party left you a long while back — why can’t you and Bill ‘get that.’


21 posted on 10/14/2012 8:13:07 PM PDT by nightmarewhileawake
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

With all due respect to Judson, he ignores the fact that the State Department
is responsible for Embassy security. And who is head of the the State Department? Hillary Clinton. The death of 4 Americans is HER FAILURE.

The lies and cover-up are a complete different issue. Hillary Clinton does not
need to be given a pass. She needs to be taken down politically, as well,
so that lying beast does not come back to haunt us in 2016.
Why is Bill fighting so hard to protect her now? Because she plans to run in
2016. Take her out NOW while we have the chance. And take Obama & Biden
down, as well.


22 posted on 10/14/2012 8:15:52 PM PDT by tennmountainman
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yup. I think this scenario is entirely possible. Bill Clinton resents the hell out of Obama taking what was ‘rightfully his’ - the Democrat party. He and Hillary had worked their entire scheming lives for it, and then along came this Usurper. I cannot see him/them possibly letting Obama dump his failures off on her. It would be the ultimate insult to wreck whatever reputation/legacy she has, not to mention any chance for 2016.

Obama is pretty much screwed, it seems to me. Either he contradicts Biden and comes off like a total idiot - or - he sticks it to Hillary and risks the Revenge of the Clintons.

For Bill at least, this is a tailor-made crisis. He can deliver payback to Obama and protect Hillary’s legacy in one shot. Ask yourself, which option does the most good for the Clintons?


23 posted on 10/14/2012 8:16:24 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: taterjay

The only good Democrats IMO are the ones whose address is a grassy knoll with headstones, and are already scrubbed from voter registration.

I personally can’t think of a reason to befriend any one of them for any reason. Let them at each other, and let them make themselves irrelevant, let them destroy each other without our involvement. We’d no matter what get the blame anyway.


24 posted on 10/14/2012 8:16:51 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Hillary will be gone as Sec. of State by November if Obama wins, and January if he loses.

There is nothing for her to gain by opposing Obama before the election. If Obama loses, she will be first in line to trash Obama’s reputation. If Obama wins, she will lay low for 1 year, then begin organizing her Presidential campaign


25 posted on 10/14/2012 8:18:53 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Theirs has been an alliance of necessity for the last four years but once the election is over, Obama does not need them any more.

That's what he does. Ever since his father did it to his mother and to him.

26 posted on 10/14/2012 8:22:31 PM PDT by arasina (Communism is EVIL. So there.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The puppet masters who pull obama’s strings put the Clintons on the spot. With PUMA voters ready to stay at home Hillary was asked very publicly to be SOS. She was made an offer she couldn’t refuse. And I’m sure the Clintons have hated obama and company ever since. But, for some reason, they’re extremely afraid of that machine.


27 posted on 10/14/2012 8:24:44 PM PDT by Terry Mross
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To: ilgipper; timestax

28 posted on 10/14/2012 8:29:04 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

“OTOH, what could possibly have compelled them/her to kiss off a sure thing in getting the 08 nomination? And is that unknown still in play?”

I will always believe that the Clintons were prepared to give up the goods on Barry but he headed them off with the evidence of treason perpetrated by them and the ChiComs. The Clintons didn’t want adjoining cells in Leavenworth. Barry doesn’t like the idea of being found out for the massive fraud and foreign agency that he is. JMHO


29 posted on 10/14/2012 8:36:32 PM PDT by Artie (We are surrounded by MORONS)
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To: tennmountainman
Isn't it weird that Hillary is even considered for 2016?

Heck the MSM savaged Reagan for being "too old". Hillary will be 69 in 2016.

30 posted on 10/14/2012 8:46:34 PM PDT by boop (Sorry, folks. Park's closed. The moose out front shoulda told ya.)
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To: boop

Why do you think Bill and Hillary are fighting to make sure she gets no blame?
BECAUSE SHE WANTS TO RUN IN 2016.
Take that lying Beast out politically as well. Send them all packing. Obama, Biden and especially the Beast.


31 posted on 10/14/2012 8:53:28 PM PDT by tennmountainman
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

There will be a few jabs thrown to make it look like they’re fighting, but they’re in this mess together. Someone on another post talked about offering Hillary a plea bargain. Not yet effective. We’re not at that stage, yet. The Democrats might offer Hillary or Obama or both a deal to save the Democrat party. Kennedy had fewer problems than these two when he went away.


32 posted on 10/14/2012 9:01:58 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Cicero

Hillary and brack. She has proved to be a boob at her job having failed the mission of security utterly, and together they have so embraced the worst of America’s enemies until the stench is equally on both.

It’s just a rumor that Bill Clinton is enraged at brack, peddled by Ed Klein, when more probable Obama’s foreign policy is all Hillary Clinton, and he knows she is the one in charge of it because he wanted it that way. He was admittedly never that interested.

Now there’s trouble and all the principals are in a trap that MUST be shut down and dragged out, until Nov 6. Only one person can do it.

Hillary Clinton.


33 posted on 10/14/2012 9:20:13 PM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Hillary had $2.2 billion in “discretionary reprogrammable money.”

The embassy in Barbados had Marines on guard and the Consulate in Benghazi had the February 17th Martyrs Brigade -that was at Hillary Clinton’s descretion.


34 posted on 10/14/2012 9:23:36 PM PDT by Fitzy_888 ("ownership society")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If I were BO, and thank God I’m not, I would really fear Hillary. This woman could put that Kenyan BC on the internet in mere seconds, causing a record breaking viral. And, she has access to the Hawaiian Records Office...she knows Nikita.


35 posted on 10/14/2012 9:36:26 PM PDT by mom.mom
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
There is no honor among thieves.

Both Hillary and Obama have been lurching for the same prize. And, not just the White House, but primarily power over people. Take for example the fact that both of them wanted to tie everyone down with healthcare regulation. Hillary did not succeed in her first term as president. (Bill's first term was a two-fer, a "blue plate special" where they both shared power.) Obama succeeded in getting healthcare signed. The purpose for Obamacare is to control the American public. Medicine is the linchpin of marxism.

Hillary and Obama are like two cats locked in a room that hate each other's guts and are watching each other carefully waiting for the other to make the first move.

36 posted on 10/14/2012 10:37:52 PM PDT by Slyfox
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
It's an attempt to divide blame in order to diffuse it. Hillary has to take the fall for pre-9/11 security lapses, and for the events of 9/11. Barack has to take the hit for the cover up, because he and his flunkies continued with the preposterous video story for nine days after it became clear it was a lie.

No complicated conspiracy stories are required: Bill and Hillary discovered to their very great shock that race trumps gender in their party. It trumps EVERYTHING in their party, because without a 90+% black vote, the Democrats cannot win any election with national implications. Think about what it means: a net 80% of 13% of the electorate. They START with a 10% advantage because of a nearly monolithic block of voters.

The downstream implication for Bill and Hill is: if they want any chance of winning the nomination in 2016, they must have 0bama's blessing, and that is why BJC ate a huge sh!t sandwich and gave a rousing endorsement of a man he despises at the convention. The Clintons know perfectly well from their own prior experience that four years is forever in American politics, and it will all be forgotten in the next primary season -- anyone still remember BJC was impeached AND disbarred? Nope.

So Hillary is going to suck up every bit of the blame. The best outcome for them is that Zero loses, but they can't under any circumstances make that public knowledge. The lawyering up by Bill is nothing more than a warning shot to 0bama that he'll only take so much. So far we have not seen commentary with deniability by the Clintons' usual loyalists. Lanny Davis, Paul Begala, and James Carville are quiet. That says Hillary is going to bend over and take it all.

When you see someone on CNN talking to Donna Brazile about whether she thinks Hillary can weather the storm, and run successfully in 2016, and Brazile suggests that some of the blame goes higher than the SoS, you'll know there's a split brewing. Brazile is the obvious person to draw first blood if the Clinton's decide to come out swinging. My bet: they won't, unless it's 100% clear that 0bama is going to lose.

37 posted on 10/14/2012 11:10:00 PM PDT by FredZarguna (Congratulations on the Nobel, Dad! You won peace in Europe and helped keep it for 70 years.)
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I’ll tell you how she can keep the black vote - by telling the truth about Fast and Furious - Zero, who has no ‘black experience’ background or heritage, has sold out his fellow black man to the hispanic drug cartels who shoot down blacks in the urban streets on a daily basis. The reaction will be thunderous against him.


38 posted on 10/14/2012 11:40:06 PM PDT by blueplum
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To: 2ndDivisionVet



39 posted on 10/15/2012 2:21:13 AM PDT by Bon mots (Abu Ghraib: 47 Times on the front page of the NY Times | Benghazi: 2 Times)
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To: Vince Ferrer

I do not think that to be so Vince.
Hispanics and Blacks are allowed to be low level chiefs or your basic indian in the Dem party but big chiefs? no way


40 posted on 10/15/2012 3:47:59 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO))
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To: Joe Boucher
Hispanics and Blacks are allowed to be low level chiefs or your basic indian in the Dem party but big chiefs? no way
Then how do you explain the current occupant of the White House?
41 posted on 10/15/2012 4:00:32 AM PDT by Johnny B.
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To: Johnny B.

cleansing of the white mans slave guilt.
Nawwww, I’m not racist I voted for the black guy who was clean articulate and had a nice smile.
Course he just happened to be an America hating marxist punk.


42 posted on 10/15/2012 4:51:33 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO))
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To: dps.inspect

With O and for a Supreme Court nomination in return for her loyalty.


43 posted on 10/15/2012 5:48:35 AM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

At this point it looks like they’re ALL trying to run out the clock with this “under investigation” BS.


44 posted on 10/15/2012 5:50:34 AM PDT by jersey117
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To: Huskrrrr

If she had a modicum wisdom, she’d know that it does not pay to be loyal to the 0... to be loyal, is to agree to be cannon fodder if things get hot... I don’t think she’s guided by wisdom anyway, she’s a purely political animal and would likely do as you suggest... wouldn’t be nice to see these animals devour each other?


45 posted on 10/15/2012 7:38:06 AM PDT by dps.inspect (rage against the Obama machine...)
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To: dps.inspect

That would be nice, indeed!


46 posted on 10/15/2012 1:43:28 PM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Not gonna happen. She would be throwing away her shot at 2016.


47 posted on 10/15/2012 1:46:18 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: taterjay

“Does this mean we now will support Hillary in this Benghazi mess?”

If she could do something to bring down Obama in November and cause Romney to take 48 or 49 states, she’s my new best friend — for a while.


48 posted on 10/15/2012 1:49:27 PM PDT by MayflowerMadam
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