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Who Won the Presidential Debate: Romney Won, and Will Win the Presidency
PolicyMic ^ | October 22, 2012 | Amy Sterling Casil

Posted on 10/22/2012 8:32:42 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Covering a lot of ground, from Libya and Syria to Iran, Afghanistan, and Iraq, the third presidential debate was alternately frustrating, boring, and repetitive. Mitt Romney grew stronger throughout the debate, while the President grew weaker. Romney's closing statement struck the exact right note of working in a bi-partisan manner to "carry the torch" of freedom back to America in the future.

Romney also did something the President neglected to do: He asked for the job.

The President may have hurt himself with a few snarky comments early in the debate with comments like, "I'm glad you recognize Al Qaeda as a threat," and "You seem to think foreign policy is playing Battleship."

Another way the President hurt himself was his repeated tendency to use his answering time to attack Mitt Romney. Romney himself pointed this out toward the end of the debate, saying, "Attacking me does nothing to answer the question about China."

Mr. Romney maintained a benign expression through most of the debate, while the President looked more aggressive and dismissive while Mr. Romney was speaking. Throughout the past two debates, this aggressive demeanor has proven appealing to the Democrat party base, and less appealing to undecided and independent voters.

The Romney team has said that Mr. Romney selected the approach, tone and demeanor for this debate. He maintained a "happy warrior" demeanor throughout, with only a few disagreements with the President that veered toward the contentiousness of the second debate.

Based on a strong closing statement that looked and sounded presidential, Romney won the debate. Offering a more clear vision for the future and a positive vision, Romney did the job he needed to do. As to the President, Victor Davis Hanson identified the issue.

I had a lot of Obamas in class. They sat in the front of the room, posed long eloquent questions, mellifluously interrupted the lectures with clever refinements and qualifications, often self-referenced all that they had read and done — and then pow!: you grade their first test and there is simply nothing there: a D or F. It was quite stunning: how could a student be so confident in his rhetoric and so dismal in his performance?

It's been that way for the past four years. I am certain Mr. Obama believes he "won." He also thought he didn't even need to ask for the job. All he had to do was repeat his assertion that he is "fighting for Americans" and "thinking of them." If there is one thing the past four years has proven, it's that the thought does not count.

For a full recap and analysis of the debate, including real-time play by play, see here.


TOPICS: Florida; Campaign News; Issues; Polls
KEYWORDS: 2012debates; debate; debates; obama; romney
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1 posted on 10/22/2012 8:32:42 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I watched with the sound off —flipping between the Giants/Cards game.

Obama looked furious and indignant, as if he had to lower himself to appear! He looked like a loser to me, like he knew he was going to lose the election (GOOD).

Romney looked cool, calm and collected — presidential and as a world leader should. Romney looked like he was in control — 0bama looked like he was about to implode.

IMHO with the sound off — I’d go with Romney as the clear winner!!


2 posted on 10/22/2012 8:43:32 PM PDT by Bon of Babble (The Road to Ruin is Always Kept in Good Repair)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The winner tonight? Ayman al-Zawahiri.

Neither showed any understanding of al Qaeda’s self-declared purpose or the fact that the Muslim Brotherhood and harder-core Salafist parties taking control of Egypt, Tunsia, at least parts of Libya, and preparing to take control of Syria all represent victories for the program for which al Qaeda proposed itself as “the Base”. Their both nattering on about their domestic agendas as purported bases for American strength abroad felt like they were deliberately averting their eyes from the real problems Obama’s loss of North Africa are creating.

We need to elect Romney to stop the collapse of the American economy and Obama’s push toward fascism, but unless Romney picks some very highly placed advisors who have a clear understanding, free from politically-correct rubbish, of the Muslim world, Romney, too will give four more years of slack to the Salafist threat.


3 posted on 10/22/2012 8:45:33 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If I was on Romneys Secret Service detail I would jump to take the assassins bullet.

Obama, well you see somethings just don’t go...like the leg won’t listen etc.


4 posted on 10/22/2012 8:55:36 PM PDT by Eye of Unk (OPSEC)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Once again, we need to take a deep breath and realize that a televised “debate” two weeks before an election is not the last word on foreign policy or what Romney would or would not do. It is a campaign event, with the primary focus on removing whatever doubt he can from those who are undecided to persuade them to vote for him. This is not a difficult concept, but it seems to elude many here.

As with every President, we vote for the man based on his character and expect he will act according to his life history and philosophy when the time comes. Obama certainly did so, in ways that have caused great harm. Not one Romney supporter has been persuaded to vote for Obama because of tonight’s debate, so why let it cause such angst?

Relax, get out the vote, and let’s put the Kenyan back where he belongs, in a millionaires home on the golf course in The Peoples Republik of Hawaii.


5 posted on 10/22/2012 8:55:41 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I think if one just listened to the debate Romney came out slightly ahead although the exchange on the "apology tour" was perhaps a knockout blow for Romney if it gets the appropriate post debate coverage.

When you watched the debate the results were much different....Romney was a big winner. The look and mannerisms of Obama was not of someone Presidential. (at least not in a free country)

I couldn't decide if Obama looked angry, depressed, or evil? Perhaps the look of all three.

6 posted on 10/22/2012 9:00:58 PM PDT by TruthWillWin (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples money.)
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To: bigbob

Sage!


7 posted on 10/22/2012 9:04:41 PM PDT by Frapster (There you go again....)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I watched the debate and I thought that Romney didn’t look like he was up for the game tonight.Maybe it was me,but I thought there were many times he could have hammered Obama on his trade policies and the GM bailout and he just let it go by the wayside.

Another thing that ripped me pretty good was toward the end when he mentioned how he planned to work across the isle like he did when he was Governor.Well if he does that he’s going to have a rough Presidency because the dem’s are not going to cooperate with him and he’d be crazy to think they will.


8 posted on 10/22/2012 9:19:54 PM PDT by puppypusher (The World is going to the dogs.)
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To: The_Reader_David; 2ndDivisionVet

We know how this chapter ends, FRiend. We are in the last days and we seek to strengthen the things that remain..

Catch you on the other side.

Meanwhile, we’ll do what we can until we can’t.


9 posted on 10/22/2012 9:22:25 PM PDT by One Name (Ultimately, the TRUTH is a razor's edge and no man can sit astride it.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Romney and all the pundits are smarter than I am. But why can’t they come up with a decent response to the military technology remark. All Romney had to say was “And our enemy has the same technology. That’s why we need more of it.”


10 posted on 10/22/2012 9:31:41 PM PDT by Terry Mross
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The Romney team has said that Mr. Romney selected the approach, tone and demeanor for this debate. He maintained a "happy warrior" demeanor throughout, with only a few disagreements with the President that veered toward the contentiousness of the second debate.

Then it's Romney's to lose or win as it should be.

I think he blew it on Libya, but scored knocks-out's on China and the Marxist's apology tour.

Romney won hands down on all economy issues. The Marxist cannot run on his unconscionable record.

Romney is the winner, tonight, and on November 6, 2012.

11 posted on 10/22/2012 9:33:49 PM PDT by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
This was a good recap. He did what he intended to do and left smiling.
12 posted on 10/22/2012 9:34:15 PM PDT by World'sGoneInsane
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The Romney team has said that Mr. Romney selected the approach, tone and demeanor for this debate. He maintained a "happy warrior" demeanor throughout, with only a few disagreements with the President that veered toward the contentiousness of the second debate.

Then it's Romney's to lose or win as it should be.

I think he blew it on Libya, but scored knocks-out's on China and the Marxist's apology tour.

Romney won hands down on all economy issues. The Marxist cannot run on his unconscionable record.

Romney is the winner, tonight, and on November 6, 2012.

13 posted on 10/22/2012 9:34:48 PM PDT by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: puppypusher
I think he was biting his tongue. Playing defense. He has the election won if he does not screw up. He decided to just let owe-bama lose it.
14 posted on 10/22/2012 9:37:35 PM PDT by tdscpa
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I remember seeing that Obama look before and I thought and thought and it finally occurred to me.

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/f02d0b8cca/word-association-from-nino

Esp 1:32


15 posted on 10/22/2012 9:37:37 PM PDT by DManA
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To: Terry Mross
Post-debate on Fox, one commentator mentioned the bayonettes/horses remark. He said Twitter went wild, while one Marine tweeted, I still have a bayonette.

Romney showed himself a leader. With all the technology/weaponry in the world, it is nothing without great warriors and leaders.

16 posted on 10/22/2012 9:39:36 PM PDT by World'sGoneInsane
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To: onyx

Did you see Frank Luntz’s South Florida focus group tonight on Sean Hannity’s show? They almost all voted for Mr. Obama in 2008, yet there’s maybe 1 or 2 who’ll vote for him now.


17 posted on 10/22/2012 9:42:01 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: World'sGoneInsane

I had a bayonette when I was in the Army. We still have horses and mules, too. How is it that the commander of our military doesn’t know that?

Jerry Bruckheimer Shopping Afghanistan War Story HORSE SOLDIERS
http://collider.com/jerry-bruckheimer-horse-soldiers/130077/

Soldiers get horse training before Afghan tour
http://www.armytimes.com/news/2010/09/ap-army-afghanistan-soldiers-get-horse-training-before-deployment-090510/


18 posted on 10/22/2012 9:46:44 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: puppypusher
I watched the debate and I thought that Romney didn’t look like he was up for the game tonight.Maybe it was me,but I thought there were many times he could have hammered Obama on his trade policies and the GM bailout and he just let it go by the wayside. Another thing that ripped me pretty good was toward the end when he mentioned how he planned to work across the isle like he did when he was Governor.Well if he does that he’s going to have a rough Presidency because the dem’s are not going to cooperate with him and he’d be crazy to think they will.

I thought Romney did just fine tonight. Don't let the MSM polls saying that Obama won fool you. They were going to say that even if Obama didn't show up.Romney wasn't as combative tonight, and I think that was by design because undecideds are turned off by that. I think Romney came across as steady and presidential and that, I think, is what undecideds are looking for. There has been too much turbulence the last 4 years that has affected everyone, so a steady hand with a bright outlook for the future, and the ability to lead should look attractive to those who are undecided. I think he did it just right.

19 posted on 10/22/2012 9:48:41 PM PDT by lwoodham (I am Andrew Breitbart. Don't doubt me on this.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Very good point!


20 posted on 10/22/2012 9:53:27 PM PDT by World'sGoneInsane
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Yes. I heard Obama talk about being a pretend Jew.

And I heard him say he is arming our enemies, to kill our former allies, TWICE.

I heard him say he had stopped terrorist activity since he took office (if you don't count the school shootings, movie theater shootings, shootings at a SPA (Islamic spa) today, the murder of our Ambassador and other Americans, and the complete destruction of our Embassy, and over a hundred 'protests' throughout the Middle East on the anniversary of 9/11, and 20,000 manpads to the terrorists, and Pakistani Nukes to the terrorists, and....

I'm running out of breath.

21 posted on 10/22/2012 9:55:29 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 ( If you think I'm crazy, just wait until you talk to my invisible friend.)
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To: puppypusher

There were two matters that rang my political bell. One was as you observed Romney’s remark about leaning across the aisle to get bi party agreements on issues. I thought I was voting for issues the Repubs were going to develop with an invitation for the other side to join in or suffer political consequences. I don’t believe that ‘compromise agreements’ with democrats the like of Axelrod and Jarret will guarantee the USA is back on the track for a Constitutional rooted government. Which brings me to my second matter. Why is it the Repubs are afraid to stand up openly for our Constitution. I expect such from the likes of Obama and his enablers who extend all the way to international cabals, but for any Repub not to remind people what our National roots are is not to my liking for a POTUSA candidate. It is like the 4th of July is actally a one day soap opera. Did I miss something in tonight’s debate?


22 posted on 10/22/2012 9:56:43 PM PDT by noinfringers2
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To: puppypusher

If you listened carefully you’d have heard him say he would work with GOOD Democrats. Where he finds “good” Democrats is anyone’s guess. He probably can find one or two here and there on a variety of issues where a Dem would be in accord with Rs.


23 posted on 10/22/2012 9:56:43 PM PDT by EDINVA (I)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It was a masterful display of chess vs. checkers. For 90 minutes Romney walked subtly towards his closing statement. He showed instead of told us things like: this is why Obama can’t get things done, he can’t work with people, can’t graciously accept a point even when the other side is agreeing, he has an edge and a temper and jumps around from this to that without an overarching concept to weave things together.After watching an unreasonable and petulant Obama for 90 minutes. In his closing statement Romney summed up what we had just seen. He stated once again how he worked with the other side when he was Governor. Then he gave a larger picture of “America”. He showed leadership. Meanwhile, Obama seemed unable to connect thoughts in a coherent way or to connect to a larger idea, or to conceptualize at all. While in the moment it may have felt that Obama was jabbing, in the end he walked right into a carefully set trap.


24 posted on 10/22/2012 9:58:16 PM PDT by Anima Mundi (ENVY IS JUST PASSIVE, LAZY GREED)
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To: Anima Mundi

I wasn’t able to see or hear the debate but I hope that it is as you described. From your lips to G-d’s ears!


25 posted on 10/22/2012 10:10:14 PM PDT by wayne_shrugged
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To: The_Reader_David

I think you can rest assured Romney will pick competent advisors and listen to them. He had no real ammo tonight as Zero was the only one with “practical experience” so should have won handily but could not close the deal. Mitt would have looked like a fool if he came out with a “cogent” policy so he did what he needed to do.


26 posted on 10/23/2012 4:33:43 AM PDT by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: onyx
Romney is the winner, tonight, and on November 6, 2012.

Thanks for the post, Onyx. I saw your earlier posts on the thread and I hurt for your, but later when I saw Romney politely shredding obama on China and the economy, I felt much better. I'm glad it picked you and just about everyone else up, too.

OTOH, I had a battle last night trying to keep my wife from hurling the IPad through the TV every time obama lied (moved his lips...) That was the most thrilling part of the debate for me.

27 posted on 10/23/2012 4:55:33 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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