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The real story of the (likely) Republican Senate disaster
WaPo Opinions ^ | 10-29-2012 | Jonathan Bernstein

Posted on 10/30/2012 5:35:48 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot

Edited on 10/30/2012 5:45:59 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: Sir Napsalot

With Republican enthusiasm very high across the nation and the majority voting straight party ticket, I have high hopes to take the senate.


21 posted on 10/30/2012 6:45:45 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: Eccl 10:2

I’m not sure that the Akin or Mourdock stories can be called PR or communication problems.

I think both men stated their true opinions about abortion in the case of rape, and most people in their state disagree with those opinions. That’s not a misstatement, or clumsy phrasing, that’s being too far out from the center to get elected.


22 posted on 10/30/2012 7:12:47 AM PDT by babble-on
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To: LS

That’s excellent news all around!!

Congrats.

I’ll check out both links.


23 posted on 10/30/2012 7:15:41 AM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival.)
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To: Sir Napsalot
There is a reason why we called incumbent Senators “headless nails” and that is because they are difficult to remove.

These analysis-es, and I use that term loosely, that act like incumbent Senators should just lose by default drive me nuts.

24 posted on 10/30/2012 7:16:47 AM PDT by NeoCaveman ("If I had a son he'd look like B.O.'s lunch" - Rin Tin Tin)
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To: babble-on

So, that one issue does them both in?


25 posted on 10/30/2012 7:18:13 AM PDT by John W (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: Venturer

>>> If the Democrat lose their majoprity we are still no better off if we do not have a leader with a pair.

THIS! ^^^^^^ ABSOLUTELY!


26 posted on 10/30/2012 7:30:28 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: Pilsner
if BO loses small, I can see the Democrats holding the Senate,

I agree there, Romney +6 (As economic model suggests) does a lot more than +2. My less exuberant self thinks the -$4500 median family income decline will be the determinant. But if Tyrone Woods' father's story is getting some traction below the radar or actually comes to the surface, I think the margin could grow; hence the effort to suppress it/confine it to Fox.

27 posted on 10/30/2012 7:32:28 AM PDT by gusopol3
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To: Sir Napsalot

The RINO-Dem coalition will still run the show


28 posted on 10/30/2012 7:37:26 AM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: John W

We shall see. What we do know is that each of them was ahead in the polls until they were asked about that issue, and rather than lying, they stated their honest opinions and fell sharply in the polls.


29 posted on 10/30/2012 7:52:29 AM PDT by babble-on
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To: babble-on

They were asked about that issue because it was a trap, a set up.

The media wanted them to lose.

They really have no power to do anything about abortion, and the ones asking them know that.

They fell into the trap.

You say they answered truthfully and it caused them political problems.

I say, they didn’t need to say things like “legitimate rape”, or, “a woman’s body shuts down during rape so she’s unlikely to get pregnant”, or, “if a pregnancy results from a rape, I have to believe the pregnancy was God’s will”.

They could have stated their views on abortion in cases of rape, without saying incredible stuff such as they said. Just say, my personal view is that life begins at conception, and even if the result of rape, my view is that the human life conceived has rights and should not be aborted because of those circumstances.

And they could add, again that’s my personal view...I don’t have the power to do anything about the way the abortion law is. I can vote on things like no federal funding for abortion, but that’s about it. I can vote for Supreme Court justices who might, and I stress might because I don’t know, eventually want to overturn Roe V Wade, but if that were to happen, each state would once again get to decide about abortion.


30 posted on 10/30/2012 9:01:51 AM PDT by txrangerette ("...hold to the truth; speak without fear". (Glenn Beck))
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe

I think the Republicans have to have 61 in the Senate to get rid of Obamacare. The Democrats will probably filibuster anything the Republicans might try to do, especially repeal of Obamacare.


31 posted on 10/30/2012 10:57:04 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE www.fee.org/library/books/economics-in-one-lesson)
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To: arthurus

No, they just have to have a majority for a budget resolution, the same way Obamacare passed in the first place.


32 posted on 10/30/2012 1:33:57 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: txrangerette
You say trap, but if a reporter has a question where he believes a candidates views, if known, would change the voting intentions of a large number of people, wouldn't he be obligated to ask such a question?

They were asked about that issue because it was a trap, a set up. The media wanted them to lose.
33 posted on 10/30/2012 2:08:04 PM PDT by babble-on
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To: babble-on

Your home page pretty much explains your rino complaints against republican primary winners that you find “too far to the right”.

There aren’t a lot of freepers that complain that the current GOP is too far to the right for their tastes, especially since FR is so pro-God and conservative.


34 posted on 10/30/2012 4:02:26 PM PDT by ansel12 (Vote, but don't pretend.)
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To: ansel12

It has nothing to do with my tastes. When a congressman in a safe, gerrymandered district steps up to the state level, sometimes his views on a particular issue are too conservative for him to be elected.

In Tennessee we almost did the same thing a few years back nominating a “true conservative” named Ed Bryant, whose nomination would have resulted in a Senate victory for Harold Ford, Jr.

Some peoples views are just too far from the wide part of the bell curve to be electable. Akin and Mourdock appear to be proof of that.


35 posted on 10/30/2012 4:52:45 PM PDT by babble-on
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To: babble-on

It isn’t as though these are weirdo, pro-abortion, pro-homosexual, libertarian pervert types, these are mainstream people, republicans that won the party primaries.

If you want to move the party even farther left, then you need to figure out how to eliminate the primary system.


36 posted on 10/30/2012 5:46:13 PM PDT by ansel12 (Vote, but don't pretend.)
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To: ansel12

Mainstream? So mainstream that they are going to lose to, in one case a very unpopular incumbent in Claire McCaskill, and in the other, losing a seat that had been held by a Republican for several decades, in a very Republican state.

I think if you poll on abortion you find being pro-life is mainstream, but being pro-life in the case of rape, being not mainstream. It’s a clear dividing line. On the left you could have the same phenomenon with being “pro-Choice” being mainstream, but partial-birth abortion being horrifying to a majority.


37 posted on 10/30/2012 6:31:07 PM PDT by babble-on
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To: babble-on

Like I said, if you think that normal republicans winning republican senate primaries are too right wing for you, then you need to figure out a way to cut out the republican primary voters.


38 posted on 10/30/2012 7:08:22 PM PDT by ansel12 (Vote, but don't pretend.)
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To: Sir Napsalot
To Jonathan:

Cheers!

39 posted on 10/30/2012 8:32:58 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: ansel12

Alternatively, primary voters could take into account the prospective electability of the candidates in the primary and not only their ideology. Doing that in Missouri would have been wise.


40 posted on 10/31/2012 7:15:14 AM PDT by babble-on
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