Skip to comments.Romney was not the problem
Posted on 11/22/2012 10:31:36 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
Small minds always leap to the answers given the last time around, which is probably why Maxine Waters keeps getting re-elected. But the last time is not necessarily the same as this time. A terrorist attack is not the same as the Cold War, a war in Afghanistan is not the same as a war in Iraq, and Mitt Romney is not the same as John McCain or Bob Dole.
But since the election, many conservatives seem to be coalescing around the explanation for our defeat given by Jenny Beth Martin of the Tea Party Patriots, who said: What we got was a weak, moderate candidate handpicked by the Beltway elites and country club establishment wing of the Republican Party. The presidential loss is unequivocally on them.
There was also the seven months of primaries, during which Romney got more votes than the rest of the field combined. So theres that. Moreover, the idea that Mitt Romney was a weak, moderate candidate is preposterous...
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Unfortunately, he wasn’t the solution, either.
Sometimes you have to admit to being wrong and then move on. Coulter appears to be digging in.
Yes, Romney and his advosors were the problem. Teh father of Romneycare (the model for Obamacare), the guy who gave Massachusetts judges who helped force gay marriage on the people, the country-club, Wall Street, Etch A Sketch “moderate” who ran a bad campaign and wouldn’t challenege BO on Benghazi or much of anything else, isn’t the problem?
So who are we supposed to blame? Conservatives?
The GOP is stuck in an infinite stupid loop:
RUN “MODERATE” ...
Well, if there is a skeleton in a hole, shovel the dirt in on her. She’s done.
I say it again, and said it from the beginning. Romney WAS the problem. Said he’d lose in an EV landslide (he did). Said the Dims would gain in the Senate. (they did). To be fair, I really thought the Dims would eek out a majority in the House. Glad I missed that one. I was eviscerated as some wanna be LibTard for saying the ONLY person to listen to about polls was Nate Silver. We need to stop worrying about the messenger and listen to the facts. We get none (facts) from our so-called conservative pundits.
It was evident to anyone with an ounce of IQ, and should be so now, that Romney was an utter disaster. It wasn’t some bizarre conspiracy or voter fraud. We, again, nominated a terrible candidate. Don’t think so? Then do the same thing in 2016 and see what happens.
The GOP Elite use these silly conspiracies to keep us at each other and in disarray because they KNOW if we coalesced we’d nominate a decent conservative.
Romney is, and was, a fool So was McSame. Are we gonna do it again? I sure hope not.
Only after he had clinched. For most of the time, he was getting 35 percent or so. I distinctly remember Newt Gingrich complaining on more than one primary night that "Once again, Senator Santorum and I got about two thirds of the votes..."
Why is Ann Coulter the problem? Was Ann responsible for Michele Bachmann’s kamikazi attack on Rick Perry? Was Ann responsible for Herman Cain’s lack of preparation for being a frontrunner and for his poor handling of the adultry allegation? Was Ann responsible for Newt’s bounced checks and for Santorum inability to win his home state?
Ann is one person with an opinion, I don’t always agree with her, but to say she is the problem is silly.
Dear Ann: Congratulations! Your candidate won the election! Thanks to you, Mitt Romney and the Republican Party will spend the next four years growing our economy and keeping us safe from the Libyan navy!
It’s like I told the boys on the basketball team I coached...”Yeah, we lost this game, but it’s only truly a defeat if we don’t learn from it.”
Ann, you’re taking this loss and turning it into a defeat.
Exactly. There was nothing wrong with Romney, he just was NOT more popular than Barack Hussein Obama.
The number of votes in a primary are irrelevant, Reagan got the most votes in the 1968 GOP primary.
first she is an idiot who wanted us to have Romney and who helped attack Newt, now aimgine of they atacked jug ears half the way they did to Newt, Sarah , Col West?
Secondly a massive rigged election does not help us.
Third, we have so many cowards on our side who will not call out the media , name names and their bias, hell even Candy Crowley showed her bias and not a peep really from the GOP.
Fourthly, put a damn conservative out there who can win not someone who supported homosexuals, Govt health care.
5th, speak up, call the media out , run AD’s of their bias help the likes of Sarah, West and the base will be out like they have never seen.
Our distain for obama what the GOP counted on was not enough to beat the corrupt election and the elfts lies and attacks
I think Romney could have been an excellent President.
I was not a fan in the primary’s, but always recognized that a President must be able to unify the general electorate.
Beyond that they must lead.
I think Romney had all that.
The X factor is charisma and a complicit sycophant press.
Obama had neither A or B, but he had the X factor.
Charisma is an odd thing.
I see through Obamas 3 card monte crap, but a lot of the electorate is hypnotized.
I swear he could crap on Americas collective head and the electorate would cheer!
Tell us now, not in August of 2016, who you want the nominee to be. I am tired of people saying who they don’t want, who should we support?
Right now, I support Tom McClintock, I am laying it out now not four years from today.
The problem here is that conservatives cant get on the same page even when there is only one candidate left.
Stop the circular firing squad and circle the wagons!!
How did he do that? Well, he effectively took Obamacare off the table as a campaign issue with his continued cheerleading for Romneycare. He took Wall Street backing for Dems off the table as he was clearly associated with Wall Street. He pretended to be a regular guy when he was nothing of the sort - and voters hate phonies (ask John Kerry how pretending to be a hunter worked out for him).
He played it safe and waited for Obama to lose instead of finishing Obama off with a campaign willing to take risks. He ran a TV, phone and direct mail campaign in the age of social media. And in the worst case of self-inflicted damage, his brain trust came up with a system - ORCA - that my assistants right out of college saw the problems with when they read about it later.
Seriously, this guy was running a campaign based on the notion of competence - yet in the critical GOTV effort, they violated a staggering number of basic rules for systems and logistics. ORCA to me epitomizes what was wrong with the Romney campaign - an overpaid MBA mindset that their superior brains obviate the need for basic hard work and grassroots strategy.
So yes, Ann, in the end it all comes back to Romney, because he set the tone with his own rudderless beliefs. He gave swing voters no compelling reason to vote for him - so those swing voters who went for Obama in 2008 appear to have largely not voted for president at all.
Give it a rest Annie
ALl we know for sure, is that Mitt Romney was NOT THE ANSWER.
Where is crying girl “Leave Mitt Romney alone!!”
America needs a better class of voters.
There is a rump parliament that seems to take over and steer this country in just about every crisis today, and they seem to get into office by minority victories, at best a plurality. Only rarely do any of them actually gain a true majority, of at least 50% plus a few.
This would not be so much of a problem, except for the polarization that has been a continuing feature of our politics since at least the time of Richard Nixon. Probably it went on long before that, but mostly, one side or the other could maintain continuity of American interests if there was a change in political parties at the national level, and Americans could be pretty sure of that. But this Current Occupant of the White Hut cannot be relied upon to support US interests in the face of adversity around the world, and even seems ready to pre-emptively surrender, even before the situation has reached serious proportions.
A situation which cannot continue for long, before it must be resolved in one way or the other. And from all appearances, the Current Occupant seems determined to impose his version of America as a Third-world country by any means possible.
Polls indicated that Romney was going to win the election. The economy is close to Great Depression era conditions, and unemployment is almost as high as when Obama entered office. Economic conditions became so dire after Obama took office it prompted the rise of an entire new movement, the Tea Party.
Presidents rarely win reelection when the economy is in the tank.
So how did Romney lose a race that numerous reputable polls and pundits predicted would be an easy win, based on historical patterns?
Massive voter fraud.
There are massive reports of criminal activity
(not mischief, not shenanigans, as many term the fraud- but CRIMINAL ACTIVITY) going on all over the U.S during the presidential election.
Reports of machines changing votes from Romney to Obama, eyewitness reports of Republican poll watchers who observed busloads of non-English speaking Somalians in Ohio being instructed to vote Obama- the list is endless.
Romney lost because of this, not any other reason.
Nobody could have won against the fraud planned and perpetrated by the Obama Machine.
We can not wait for 2014 and 2016 to regroup and figure out new strategies. By then it will be too late. The Marxist/Muslim usurper will have completed his planned distruction of America.
Thats what people fail to understand.
Col Allen West; I dont want to see America become like Zimbabwe where people dont trust their electoral process. If we cannot trust the integrity of the voting system then we are no longer a free republic.
Col West has opened the door.
Its now up to We The People.
Silence in the face of evil is itself evil. Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act.
The evidence is overwhelming!
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You may find this disturbing, but that was not a girl.
It’s a combination of a ho-hum candidate, a growing idiotic population who hates whitey and an embarrassed “i am a conservative” conservatives.
The country does not deserve a business oriented president. What people want is free stuff from the government.
1 in 5 residents of US are now on FREE Medicaid.
FREE Food stamps approaching almost 50 Million with 450,000 added in July+August which USDA suppressed the news until now.
FREE Rent subsidy
FREE Heat subsidy
FREE Obama phones
FREE Pre-natal care & delivery
FREE Transportation to medical facility
FREE Translators for non-English speaking
FREE Lawyers for the indigent
FREE Pell Grants
Like every socialist country before us, we will be enticed into socialism. Like every socialist country before us the rich will get less rich, AND THE POOR WILL GET MORE POOR.
Eventually when other people’s money runs out we will again make a turn towards capitalism, like China is doing, like all formerly Soviet satellite countries in Eastern Europe are doing, like East Germans are doing, Like India is doing.
The cycle must repeat since the masses are not intelligent enough to learn from actual history.
I am still shocked and furious that Romney lost. This should have been a slam dunk and he screwed up. Just like McCain, Romney was too nice while Obama was the aggressive street-fighter. When will the GOP ever learn that you have to play dirty to win?
Romney should have explained the negative impacts of the debt, deficit spending and Obamacare. He should have hammered this toward the younger voters.
Why Romney never pummeled Obama over Benghazi I will never know.
Coulter sounds more like a whiny liberal turd these days. Flush.
I have to disagree. Conservatives largely did get behind Romney. The problem was, Obama lost millions of voters from 2008 yet Romney was unable to pull them into his orbit - because IMO he presented them with a candidate that they just could not relate to. And it didn't have anything to do with free stuff with most swing voters, otherwise they would have stayed with Obama. Instead, Romney offered no compelling vision as to why he sought the presidency - because IMO he sought it for reasons that had nothing to do with core principles or values.
I supported Newt in my state’s primary and he lost. Though I’m not a huge fan of Romney I had no problem voting for him in November because the alternative is a nightmare and sadly the nightmare is going to continue and grow worse over the next four years. Conservatives are waiting for the next Reagan to show themselves and won’t vote for someone who doesn’t fit that high standard. I got news for you folks that person didn’t run for the GOP nomination in 2012. If Newt or Rick had been the nominee a bunch of you would have found faults with them too. Democrats always rally around their people and the GOP eats its own. No doubt in 2016 we’re going to have the same issues with a Marco Rubio, Scott Walker, etc. The Republican Party is not a perfect vehicle for conservative principles, far from it, but if you think going third party is the solution then be prepared to see Democratic presidents for the next fifty years.
Not sure why anyone listens to Bill Maher’s girlfriend. She is no longer relevant....if she ever was.
Romney was turning out HUGE crowds in deep blue territory.
Obama was barely able lure folks with free food.
Something is really amiss in our analysis of what went wrong.
There are many things I don’t know, and like you don’t understand why he went soft after the first debate. He had zero on the ropes, then did nothing to get the knock out punch he needed. Perhaps it was his mushy advisers - the same ones who were in the McCain camp. Why do they insist on using these useless retread losers?
Romney wasn’t hip or cool. SO what? I don’t care if my president is hip or cool. I want someone who has the smarts to turn this country around. Mitt had it - then lost it. He also avoided conservatives like the plague. He kept saying he was going to repeal obamacare, but never told the uninformed why or what was in the bill. Maybe he was afraid that if he did then obama would hit back with the fact that obamacare was based on romneycare - and it was. Most of us knew this would be a huge problem for Mitt.
Benghazi still remains a mystery. Why he didn’t punch him in the political face with this is beyond most of us. He got snookered by Candy Crowley and lost his nerve or something. I don’t know - all I know is we have 4 more years of a marxist in the WH because Romney and camp decided to take the “high” road and play nice. IT worked very well for McCain too.
It's so incredible crass of Ann to use the evidence against the facts! She state's the purpose, then dismisses reality like the wind. That's what's truly "preposterous."
Yes, damn it. Conservatives were the problem, they didn't vote. How many times do we have to state it is the ass hats that didn't vote they loose. IT WAS THE DAMN VOTERS.........THAT STAYED AWAY BECAUSE OF STUPID IGNORANCE. To proved a point and elected King Obama.
Obama looked whipped.
Romney looked confident.
The economy was the topic du jour and it still is.
We all saw it.
I don’t think Obama thought he was going to win.
Romney ran a VERY competent strong race, but he lost to the Ozero.
The question is why?
The answer is not “shoot our own.”
The media began portraying a rosy future for the economy about a month before the election...in the end it swayed enough voters to go with “the devil they know.”
“What we got was a weak, moderate candidate handpicked by the Beltway elites and country club establishment wing of the Republican Party. The presidential loss is unequivocally on them”
Seems spot on to me.
The market started responding to the notion that Mitt would win.
Obama won and the market tanked again.
But you have to do more than just win the base to win the Electoral College swing states. Was there voter fraud? Yes, and they were blatant about it. But Obama still came in, what, 6-8 million votes below 2008? Yet it appears that Romney, once all votes are in, might come in a million or so more votes than McCain in 2008, a very bad year for Republicans.
Romney failed to be a likeable candidate for the swing voters that drifted away from Obama. These people often vote on gut feelings. I have a relative who didn't vote. He thought it was completely bogus that Romney tried to claim being just like a regular American, when he has his own small business and fights to just make payroll. Other people I have talked to felt the same way.
Romney was a second-generation politician, like Gore and too many others nowadays. He showed more inclination to attack his primary opponents than Obama - typical of the GOP-E mindset. In the end, his vision for the presidency was that he wanted to be president. And I think a lot of swing voters realized that.
The average moron in this country didn’t interpret it that way, they don’t think like “the market” does, they believe what the media tells them.
I wonder what the average moron thinks of food prices this thanksgiving?
Exactly. You can run the most effective, efficient campaign on the planet, but if you fail to connect with a strong principled message from a candidate that the electorate is hungry for- you still lose.
The briefly tolerated Reagan, because he showed he can win, but it was right back to Business As Usual, when his two terms were up.
Didn’t love Romney as my favorite choice, but he painted and excellent contrast to Obama and the people voted for Santa Clause Obama.
Romney wasn’t perfect, but I know of few candidates who are.
Keep in mind even Ronald Reagan could not make Governor in CA at this time.
The people are different.
We are IMO seeing 40 years or more of the effect of give-aways, growing government employment, brainwashing by union teachers and allowing grade school dropouts from outside our nation into our country and on our dole demanding more.
We had much greater issues than Romney IMO.
This was not a failure on the Republican/conservative side outside of those committing suicide who did not vote.
You got that one right
Swing voters often vote their gut feelings. Romney failed to connect with them. And the trick is NOT to pretend you are a Democrat-lite. Ask Bob Dole. Romney apparently thought he could just simply claim he is a regular guy - when he is not. He could not relate to a middle-class person trying hard to stay in the middle class. People saw in him, right or wrong, the guy who swoops down on a company and triggers layoffs. He really was the wrong candidate for this election on so many levels.
The GOP wins when it runs anti-elitists, or at least men or women that come across as such. Reagan was a non-Ivy leaguer. Bush may have been a third-generation blueblood, but he lived the life of a guy whose idea of high cusine was a cheeseburger and whose idea of fun was clearing brush. Palin (the only thing that gave McCain a fighting chance) was a blue-collar gal and a true reformer. Romney could never shake the image of the oily MBA born into privilege that you hope is never let anywhere near the reigns of the division you work in.
1 in 5 residents of US are now on FREE Medicaid
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PLUS all your listed FREE’s....
However, the real BAD GUY here is us that draw SS. AFTER toiling in the work place for decades and being forced to pay into a system that we probably didn’t really like anyway, just another tax under a different ruse.
When ‘they’ bashed us with SS Tax, ‘they’ came along and invented Medicare - FORCING - us to back that, again when those that paid into it want to ‘use’ it, ‘they’ are the BAD GUY also....
I don’t use MEDICARE, as I am in the VA ‘system’ but, then again that was earned in another lifetime, while drawing substandard pay and ‘worked - well on call’ 24/7.
So, in a nutshell, the problem is Legitimate SS drawers, Legitimate Medicaid drawers, Legitimate Militay/Govt pensions, while the FREELOADERS and UNDERACHIEVERS are to be pitied....
BIZARRO WORLD for sure.
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