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John F. Brinson: Obama did not win the election; Romney lost it
The Lehigh Valley Morning Call ^ | November 27, 2012 | John F. Brinson, chairman, Lehigh Valley Tax Limitation Cmte.

Posted on 11/27/2012 6:42:38 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

Barack Obama did not win the election. Mitt Romney and the Republicans lost it. Obama has no mandate. None whatsoever.

Here's why: Obama received roughly 7 million fewer votes in 2012 than in 2008. He was perceived to be something much less than he had portrayed himself. No matter what the Democrats did, they could not turn out anything like the 69.5 million votes they got in 2008. The election was handed to Romney on a silver platter, but his campaign advisers — and a couple of Republican Senate candidates — wrecked his chances.

Let's give the Republicans some credit. They did a great job of publicizing Obama's failures and broken promises and suppressed his support, but nationwide Republicans failed to turn out the independent vote for Romney. But Republicans did much better in Pennsylvania.

Obama won Pennsylvania by 308,000 votes, but only because he won Philadelphia County by 492,000 votes! That's right, folks. Philadelphia alone gave Pennsylvania's 20 Electoral College votes to Obama.

However, Romney won 55 of Pennsylvania's 67 counties, and added one seat in the U.S. House of Representatives, giving Republicans 13 of 18 Pennsylvania's seats in Congress. Pennsylvania as a whole, discounting Philadelphia, voted overwhelmingly for Romney...

(Excerpt) Read more at mcall.com ...


TOPICS: Pennsylvania; Campaign News; Issues; Parties; U.S. Senate
KEYWORDS: amen; cinofail; election2012; gop; mittensfail; obama; pennsylvania; romney

1 posted on 11/27/2012 6:42:49 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Enough already.

The American electorate lost the election.


2 posted on 11/27/2012 6:46:25 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’ll second this. Strongly.

But it doesn’t change a dime about the fact we are losing badly, in momentum.

Bring jobs back to America now.


3 posted on 11/27/2012 6:47:03 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

B.S.


4 posted on 11/27/2012 6:49:59 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

So much BS... massive rat-fraud won, all carefully swept under the rug by the rotten MSM.


5 posted on 11/27/2012 6:50:27 PM PST by Ron C.
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To: bigheadfred

No, the election was stolen and it will happen again until we change voter ID laws.


6 posted on 11/27/2012 6:56:48 PM PST by NotTallTex
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To: Ron C.

Exactly .
It was a stolen Chicago Daley machine victory !
Early voting gives Dems weeks to stuff ballots boxes !


7 posted on 11/27/2012 6:58:21 PM PST by ncalburt (Axelrod Psych OPS has gone to 24/7 non stop - "The election is over " status until Nov)
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To: NotTallTex

That is exactly what I just said. WE are the losers.


8 posted on 11/27/2012 6:58:31 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: NotTallTex
e·lec·tor·ate (-lktr-t) n. 1. A body of qualified voters.
9 posted on 11/27/2012 6:59:59 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Lose at all costs RINO File.


10 posted on 11/27/2012 7:00:32 PM PST by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I think the big turning point(down) late in the campaign for Romney was when he switched over to ‘Prevent Defense’ for the 2nd and 3rd debates. Anyone who knows anything about strategy understands that a Prevent Defense only prevents YOU from winning most of the time. Well.... It should come as no surprise. THAT’S how ‘moderates’ run things. When victory is just sitting there, staring them in the face, they lack the instinct to go in for the kill and WIN!

Romney truly had 0bama on the ropes after that first debate, and he simply didn’t finish him off! 0bama came back for the 2nd debate, then he along with Candy Crowley, were able to get back into the race and win. You could even see it in the polling(for the most part). Romney got a real bounce from the first debate, but didn’t maintain the positive momentum from it.


11 posted on 11/27/2012 7:08:39 PM PST by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Obama won in every crime ridden, murdering inner city in this country.

Out in the country where people work for a living Romney won.

That should tell you what we have for President.

It should tell you what we have for a nation.


12 posted on 11/27/2012 7:10:15 PM PST by Venturer
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’m tired of the circular firing squad.

Idiot and/or acists on the take voted for Obama. It’s all going to have to fall apart before it gets fixed again....fixed the hard way unfortunately for us all. I hate being in the same boat with these people.


13 posted on 11/27/2012 7:12:40 PM PST by Aria ( 2008 & 2012 weren't elections - both were a coup d'etat.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

And the author of this worthless article joins the idiot brigade, at this astoundingly late date.

Right now Obama has about 4.5 million less votes, not 7 million less votes, than he did in 2008. He will probably end up with 3 million or so less votes.

And the author stupidly manages to repeat the lie that McCain got more votes than Romney.

Right now Romney has over 500,000 more votes than McCain did.


14 posted on 11/27/2012 7:13:16 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Obama won Pennsylvania by 308,000 votes, but only because he won Philadelphia County by 492,000 votes! That's right, folks. Philadelphia alone gave Pennsylvania's 20 Electoral College votes to Obama.

Yeah, and Detroit does it to Michigan every four years, too.

15 posted on 11/27/2012 7:16:26 PM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: bigheadfred
Hold on there ~ over 10% of the voters Obama suckered in back in 2008 manfully put their bellies to the bar and DID NOT SHOW UP in 2012.

All Romney had to do was as well as George W. Bush did in 2004.

The simple expedient of mounting a vigorous voter registration drive in the Spring would have gotten him the voters he needed to do that.

Alas, he wasted the Spring and alienated a good number of Republican voters.

I'm still waiting for him to start his campaign

16 posted on 11/27/2012 7:19:25 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Yo-Yo
Yeah, and Detroit does it to Michigan every four years, too.

Yeah, and Milwaukee does it to Wisconsin too.

17 posted on 11/27/2012 7:22:52 PM PST by Last Dakotan
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Expecting voters to know what’s going on and their reliance on MSM is just part of why our great loss. While there are examples of fraud which may close up the gap, the gap is too big to blame the loss on fraud ...Expecting GOP E’s to address media bias or Romney to call Obama a congenital liar or even point out that the fact and figures released by the white house were allways questionable is another Let alone call him a “socialist”.. But the fault lies really in the messaging the Republican campaign came up.choking on political correctness parameters or triping over past positions on global warming and Romneycare both of which were bread and butter issues. .Then busy responding to pseudo positions devised by the demo-com party and echoed by their hand maiden camp followers in the media allowing them to set the agenda ..

Romney ran a “Johnny One Note Campaign”. Used a poison dart blow gun when he should have used a cannon loaded with grape shot because he had pleanty of stuff he could fill that cannon barrel with..

They failed to hammer away on what will happen when Obama gets returned; The Obama past due 2013/14 Tax Increases. The impact of Obama’s gagging energy.resources.(a socialist construct never branded as such) with policies requiring reliance on intermittent sources wind and solar and that resulting in massive corruption .,restricted use of drilling, and coal ,bans and on fracking, and resulting prices doubling on everything.. This was a bread and butter issue which reached into every “demographics” pocketbook including accepting the demo-com definition of hyphenated African-Hispanic -Americans .

.The impact of Supreme Court Appointments.. 18,000 new IRS agents and on and on. . Some were very briefly touched most weren’t and Benghazi/ foreign policy was left to languish. Then there is Obama’s personal extravagance and behavior refusing to visit Nashville after its disaster showing up at New Orleans after Mitt visited it. Even after the Christi thing if that was brought up it would have blunted the impact.

Instead we got a sales pitch on executive ability but not the reason why one should toss the old model and buy his. That print and tv pitch , 20 million new jobs, was given a discrarded dose of skepticism .

In addition Rove who I understand was handling the Charter PAC senate campaign played games. His material never warned voters that IF OBAMA GETS RE-ELECTED AND SENATE CONTROL REMAINED . .. OBAMACARE AND ALL THE TAX INCREASES THAT GO WITH IT WILL NEVER GET REPEALED Let alone tie into or cover the formentioned grape shot which would have perhaps changed that body. I don’t recall any of that material directed toward that fact.

Finally they didn’t believe the polls which turned out were dead on. Even going as far as setting up focus groups which could have looked into what’s going on . Even to the point of going out to local eateries and bars and eavesdrop into conversations and pick up on topics being discussed.(chat rooms twitter too contrived) They would have learned their turnout projections were off and the sence of urgency to get out the vote was diminished by their glowing projections and disbelief never mind ORCA which should have been tested. COMPLACENCY WAS ENCOURAGED BY THE MEDIA AND NOT COUNTER ACTED UPON

Our local small population (-8000) rural blue county GOP had at the outset good and growing attendence at their meetings 50 plus. At the meeting the Thursday before the election only about a dozen people showed up and I knew we were in trouble .

Nuts...This loss is inexcuseable, while I trully don’t believe Mitt Romney would ever continence losing, I’m begining to believe that most GOPE’s really didn’t want to see AHCA, (affordable health care act) otherwise known as ZerO care go ..


18 posted on 11/27/2012 7:52:44 PM PST by mosesdapoet ("A voice crying in the wilderness make streight for the way of the Lord")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

7 Reasons Why Mitt Romney’s Electability Is A Myth

http://townhall.com/columnists/johnhawkins/2011/12/27/7_reasons_why_mitt_romneys_electability_is_a_myth/page/full/


19 posted on 11/27/2012 8:04:15 PM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer's successful run in Nebraska)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Without verifiable elections all talk about who won or lost and why is meaningless. Our elections were once audit-able. The system is complex, intentionally, opaque, and allows absolutely no path for verification. It once did. Votes were counted by poll workers at the precinct before any ballot left the oversight of volunteers from all parties. Once a ballot leaves the precinct the trail is gone. Once a vote is cast on a computer the trail is gone.

Today votes are counted by SEIU employees, or machines managed by SEIU employees. Absentee ballots are counted in effectively secret rooms. Observers are forbidden in many precincts, and Republicans specifically denied poll watch access by a law passed thirty one years ago, and renewed by Carter judge, who comes out of retirement each year. Republicans have allowed this violation of our essential right of representation and Democrats have used it well.

Elections cannot be verified. Even when someone tries, there are not data which could confirm the amount of fraud, and it doesn't take much to fix an election. Forget the election. It only proved who controls what remains of our republic. If citizens can't understand that cheating is the norm, and that it is being condoned by both parties, we don't have a citizenry capable of protecting a republic of laws.

First, it takes the acknowledgment that we have a problem. It takes understanding that the only path to legitimate elections is simplification. Paper ballots must be counted before the ballots leave the sight of poll watchers. Both Republicans and Democrats claim to want honest elections. Our pundits dismiss the issue either out of ignorance, or because they benefit by having issues to explain, whether the issues are real or explanations of unverifiable elections. We have no verifiable counts. Without that we have no problems worth trying to solve based upon those results. It is like attempting to fix global warming in spite of the diminishing average earth temperatures over the last 14 years. What must first be fixed is the disdain with which both parties have treated the only mechanism for ferreting the will of the public. Both parties, but more so the Democrats, want to fix the problems they perceive, and those are often problems which solutions will benefit them financially.

20 posted on 11/28/2012 12:28:30 AM PST by Spaulding
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

11-6-12, a WORSE day for America than 9-11 or 12-7-1941.

We were able to overcome those days,I dont think we’ll be as lucky this time.


21 posted on 11/28/2012 4:11:46 AM PST by weezel
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To: KoRn

crowley gave the election to obama in the 2nd debate when she backed up obamas lie about benghazi. THAT is when Romney lost, had she not backed up that lie, which she admitted the next day she was wrong on and Romney was right, Romneys momentum would have been such that obama could never stop it.


22 posted on 11/28/2012 4:14:21 AM PST by weezel
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To: Spaulding

Getting on up in years and frankly I don’t recall when elections were ever auditable ~ maybe a proxy vote in a corporation where you can match names to ballots, but there’s no audit trail of any kind in political elections ~ never was.


23 posted on 11/28/2012 4:50:21 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Romney did not “lose” the election. Like all the other Republican bobdoles he doesn’t want to be president though he craved the recognition of his party’s Nomination. The Nomination is the pinnacle for republicans. Being president is a chore and not something they want to waste their time on.


24 posted on 11/28/2012 4:55:52 AM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE www.fee.org/library/books/economics-in-one-lesson)
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To: muawiyah
"Getting on up in years and frankly I don’t recall when elections were ever auditable."

It depended upon which state you lived in. There were states using paper ballots, where the ballots were counted before disappearing into the abyss into the 70s. Cheating with punch cards was becoming endemic then, but assumed that those manning precincts were generaly honest. I too think they were generally honest, but the responsibility for handling the ballots and providing an auditable local count, a count performed in the presence of all precinct volunteers, had been removed from those ordinary people, ostensibly to allow radio and television to report numbers sooner. There are many ways to cheat, but it begins with an honest count of the ballots before they can be tampered with, and that stopped.

People still trusted that voting was an almost sacred privilege then, but they were wrong. I first began to pay attention when, a designer of secure laboratory information management systems, “LIMS”, I had faced the necessity of audit trails in order to obtain certification from the FDA for both drug manufacturers and commercial analytical chemistry companies. I came across a little book by two counterculture rock promoters, the Collins brothers, one an attorney, who tried to challenge Claude Pepper in Florida in 1970. Their story, told in a little book called “Votescam”, rang true. The characters involved, Alcee Hastings, Janet Reno,... and the court cases they published, along with a video of the phony vote count by the League of Women voters, whose President committed suicide after being cornered with the videotaped truth, make a case our political “leaders” seem always to have tried to dismiss. Fraud is a fact. Not many votes need to be invented, or removed, or disqualified, to swing elections. The fact remains that big or little, there is no apparent interest by either party, though Allen West put up a bit of a fight, in fixing this.

Unless we repair our voting mechanisms elections are a ruse. Reported numbers can be, and probably are, anything those in control think they can getaway with. With Holder and a president who was a trainer for Project Vote and Acorn, citizens are a flock of sheep. Keep them just a little discouraged and they will timidly accept whatever platitudes the pundits on either side feed them. This is the time to join the only party, the Democrat party, because there may be a chance to influence those Democrat party members who still think we live in a representative republic. Many of them, speaking from experience with engineers examining voting technology in a couple of university engineering departments, hold to the same principles of representative government that I do, but have their social or other reasons for identifying with Democrats.

25 posted on 11/28/2012 9:07:25 PM PST by Spaulding
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To: muawiyah
"Getting on up in years and frankly I don’t recall when elections were ever auditable."

It depended upon which state you lived in. There were states using paper ballots, where the ballots were counted before disappearing into the abyss into the 70s. Cheating with punch cards was becoming endemic then, but assumed that those manning precincts were generaly honest. I too think they were generally honest, but the responsibility for handling the ballots and providing an auditable local count, a count performed in the presence of all precinct volunteers, had been removed from those ordinary people, ostensibly to allow radio and television to report numbers sooner. There are many ways to cheat, but it begins with an honest count of the ballots before they can be tampered with, and that stopped.

People still trusted that voting was an almost sacred privilege then, but they were wrong. I first began to pay attention when, a designer of secure laboratory information management systems, “LIMS”, I had faced the necessity of audit trails in order to obtain certification from the FDA for both drug manufacturers and commercial analytical chemistry companies. I came across a little book by two counterculture rock promoters, the Collins brothers, one an attorney, who tried to challenge Claude Pepper in Florida in 1970. Their story, told in a little book called “Votescam”, rang true. The characters involved, Alcee Hastings, Janet Reno,... and the court cases they published, along with a video of the phony vote count by the League of Women voters, whose President committed suicide after being cornered with the videotaped truth, make a case our political “leaders” seem always to have tried to dismiss. Fraud is a fact. Not many votes need to be invented, or removed, or disqualified, to swing elections. The fact remains that big or little, there is no apparent interest by either party, though Allen West put up a bit of a fight, in fixing this.

Unless we repair our voting mechanisms elections are a ruse. Reported numbers can be, and probably are, anything those in control think they can getaway with. With Holder and a president who was a trainer for Project Vote and Acorn, citizens are a flock of sheep. Keep them just a little discouraged and they will timidly accept whatever platitudes the pundits on either side feed them. This is the time to join the only party, the Democrat party, because there may be a chance to influence those Democrat party members who still think we live in a representative republic. Many of them, speaking from experience with engineers examining voting technology in a couple of university engineering departments, hold to the same principles of representative government that I do, but have their social or other reasons for identifying with Democrats.

26 posted on 11/28/2012 9:07:39 PM PST by Spaulding
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To: muawiyah
"Getting on up in years and frankly I don’t recall when elections were ever auditable."

It depended upon which state you lived in. There were states using paper ballots, where the ballots were counted before disappearing into the abyss into the 70s. Cheating with punch cards was becoming endemic then, but assumed that those manning precincts were generaly honest. I too think they were generally honest, but the responsibility for handling the ballots and providing an auditable local count, a count performed in the presence of all precinct volunteers, had been removed from those ordinary people, ostensibly to allow radio and television to report numbers sooner. There are many ways to cheat, but it begins with an honest count of the ballots before they can be tampered with, and that stopped.

People still trusted that voting was an almost sacred privilege then, but they were wrong. I first began to pay attention when, a designer of secure laboratory information management systems, “LIMS”, I had faced the necessity of audit trails in order to obtain certification from the FDA for both drug manufacturers and commercial analytical chemistry companies. I came across a little book by two counterculture rock promoters, the Collins brothers, one an attorney, who tried to challenge Claude Pepper in Florida in 1970. Their story, told in a little book called “Votescam”, rang true. The characters involved, Alcee Hastings, Janet Reno,... and the court cases they published, along with a video of the phony vote count by the League of Women voters, whose President committed suicide after being cornered with the videotaped truth, make a case our political “leaders” seem always to have tried to dismiss. Fraud is a fact. Not many votes need to be invented, or removed, or disqualified, to swing elections. The fact remains that big or little, there is no apparent interest by either party, though Allen West put up a bit of a fight, in fixing this.

Unless we repair our voting mechanisms elections are a ruse. Reported numbers can be, and probably are, anything those in control think they can getaway with. With Holder and a president who was a trainer for Project Vote and Acorn, citizens are a flock of sheep. Keep them just a little discouraged and they will timidly accept whatever platitudes the pundits on either side feed them. This is the time to join the only party, the Democrat party, because there may be a chance to influence those Democrat party members who still think we live in a representative republic. Many of them, speaking from experience with engineers examining voting technology in a couple of university engineering departments, hold to the same principles of representative government that I do, but have their social or other reasons for identifying with Democrats.

27 posted on 11/28/2012 9:18:10 PM PST by Spaulding
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