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Gun control lessons from Lyndon Johnson (Lays out their game plan)
The Washington Post ^ | December 16, 2012 | Secretary Joseph A. Califano Jr.

Posted on 12/16/2012 10:05:48 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

If ever there were a moment for President Obama to learn from history, it is now, in the wake of Friday’s shootings at the elementary school at Newtown, Conn. The timely lesson for Obama, drawn from the experience of Lyndon B. Johnson — the last president to aggressively fight for comprehensive gun control — is this: Demand action on comprehensive gun control immediately from this Congress or lose the opportunity during your presidency.

In the aftermath of the assassination of Robert F. Kennedy (just weeks after the fatal shooting of Martin Luther King Jr. and only a few years after President John F. Kennedy was shot), President Johnson pressed Congress to enact gun control legislation he had sent to Capitol Hill years earlier. LBJ ordered all of us on his staff — and urged allies in Congress — to act swiftly. “We have only two weeks, maybe only 10 days,” he said, “before the gun lobby gets organized.” He told Larry O’Brien and me, “We’ve got to beat the NRA [National Rifle Association] into the offices of members of Congress.”

For three years Johnson’s bill had been locked in the Senate Judiciary Committee by a powerful army of gun lobbyists. But LBJ was always poised to grasp any opportunity to achieve his legislative objectives, even in the most horrendous circumstances. He had used the tragedy of King’s assassination in 1968 to “at least get something for our nation” out of it, finally persuading the House to pass the Fair Housing bill he had sent it in 1966. Johnson saw in the tragedy of the assassination of Robert Kennedy in June of 1968 a chance to get his gun bill enacted...

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TOPICS: Issues; U.S. Congress; U.S. Senate
KEYWORDS: 1966; 1968; assassinationplots; banglist; crisis; democrats; fairhousingbill; guncontrol; lbj; leftwingnuts; martinlutherking; obama; opportunists; secondamendment
Why can't we just go our way and they go their way?
1 posted on 12/16/2012 10:06:01 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The British tried to disarm us once.

I fear Dems will have better luck at it. :(


2 posted on 12/16/2012 10:11:03 PM PST by Tzimisce (What do you do when every every branch of the government is corrupt and aligned against you?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The left already went its way and took America with it.

...Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, ...

When elected officials and bureaucracies act outside the law they are simply lawbreakers. When the majority of the people vote in favor of total lawlessness in the highest offices they are withdrawning their consent to be governed by a constitutional government. By what legitimate basis does the United States of America, as a Constitutional republic, still exist?

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

'The People' no longer support that. They voted in support of lawlessness from the highest office on down. They voted against the rule of law. By referendum we now have a banana republic. The USAINO.

3 posted on 12/16/2012 10:13:01 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Gun prohibition will be no different that prohibition of alcohol or the war on drugs. As soon as you prohibit the gun ownership a black market will develop and the war will be worse than anything we have seen.

Did anyone watch the tv series, Boardwalk? Has anyone been watching what is going on with the drug cartels in Mexico? Is that what they want to bring here? It’s too late to ban assault rifles, the bad guys already have them.

The Democrats have shamefully exploited and politicized this time of sadness and mourning, purposefully to turn the minds of people away from prayer and God for help and fortification toward the State.

Don’t let them turn our minds and hearts away from God, the only true salvation, for if there is no life after death, what is the purpose of life on earth? The State cannot save us.


4 posted on 12/16/2012 10:16:17 PM PST by Eva
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

My thoughts below.


5 posted on 12/16/2012 10:23:33 PM PST by wastoute (<font color=red>&#956;&#959;&#955;&#8060;&#957; &#955;&#945;&#946;&#941;</font color=red>)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Fair Housing of ‘66... How’d THAT work out? Eventually morphed into subprime/NINJA loans, etc.... between that garbage, gun control, Vietnam, “War on Poverty”, and more, that mean Texan SOB was easily the most destructive President in modern US history, he makes Obama look like a rank amateur!


6 posted on 12/16/2012 10:23:39 PM PST by Frank_2001
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To: Tzimisce

How does one confiscate over 400 million firearms and billions of rounds of ammunition from 320 million people with only just over one million troops and police?


7 posted on 12/16/2012 10:24:09 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: wastoute

Shoulda previewed first!


8 posted on 12/16/2012 10:24:46 PM PST by wastoute (<font color=red>&#956;&#959;&#955;&#8060;&#957; &#955;&#945;&#946;&#941;</font color=red>)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The MO of the Leftists. Tragedies should never go wasted and unused. The Demagoguery Party (AKA the DEMOgogbureauCRATS) will use any excuse for more government and more regulations.


9 posted on 12/16/2012 10:28:55 PM PST by PapaNew
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“How does one confiscate over 400 million firearms and billions of rounds of ammunition from 320 million people with only just over one million troops and police?”

Easy. Send in the IRS.


10 posted on 12/16/2012 10:33:13 PM PST by Dogbert41 (What now?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

How are Americans going to pay off the 16 Trillion dollar debt we owe when we’re standing on the verge of spending even more?

I have no idea - but it’s not going to stop them from trying...


11 posted on 12/16/2012 10:45:36 PM PST by Tzimisce (What do you do when every every branch of the government is corrupt and aligned against you?)
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To: wastoute

μολὼν λαβέ


12 posted on 12/16/2012 10:54:08 PM PST by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
How does one confiscate over 400 million firearms and billions of rounds of ammunition from 320 million people with only just over one million troops and police?"

Doesn't matter, they Know What's Good For Us, and will try it anyway. It'll get right sporting after that.

13 posted on 12/16/2012 10:57:39 PM PST by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: wastoute

μολὼν λαβέ


14 posted on 12/16/2012 10:58:50 PM PST by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: wastoute

I love it.


15 posted on 12/16/2012 11:00:40 PM PST by RC one (FU liberals.)
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To: Dogbert41

The Internal Revenue Service has just over 100,000 employees, including clerks, human resources people, janitors, etc. They will not be able to raid hundreds of millions of homes.


16 posted on 12/16/2012 11:00:58 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

LOL!
Is it any wonder Califano, architect of “the ingrate society”, would want to register all guns and gun owners?

By the way, the last time I remember hearing from Califano was 20 or so years ago when he wrote a column about how the bulk of health care costs are the result of scumbag, ambulance-chasing, “jackpot justice” trial lawyers. Boy, did that column ever get ignored, dismissed, and erased damn quick! Good luck digging it up anywhere. I have a feeling Califano was taken to the woodshed over that one.


17 posted on 12/16/2012 11:02:21 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Tzimisce
I'd like to point out that the school was a perfect example of a gun free zone.' Worked out pretty well for them, did it? On a small scale, it teaches us what a nation-wide gun free zone would be like.
18 posted on 12/16/2012 11:04:36 PM PST by ArmyTeach ( Videteco eos prius (See 'em first) Sculpin 191)
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To: RC one

Every time I do that I have to go back to HTML sandbox again.


19 posted on 12/16/2012 11:05:37 PM PST by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: wastoute
από τα κρύα, νεκρά μου χέρια
20 posted on 12/16/2012 11:06:47 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: El Gato

What is worse, Zero doesn’t give a crap about the damn guns. He WANTS the war.


21 posted on 12/16/2012 11:07:50 PM PST by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: Lancey Howard

Very good!


22 posted on 12/16/2012 11:10:07 PM PST by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: Eva
It’s too late to ban assault rifles, the bad guys already have them.

It's not about them going after the bad guys.

Never has been.

23 posted on 12/16/2012 11:49:20 PM PST by SIDENET ("If that's your best, your best won't do." -Dee Snider)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The ironic part of this is that LBJ may have been behind what happened to JFK.


24 posted on 12/16/2012 11:59:05 PM PST by Freedom of Speech Wins
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To: ArmyTeach

Only thing I can picture is the Soviet Union....Nazi Germany...Red China...North Korea...

Well hey, you never hear about murderers going crazy over there...mostly because there is no free speech to criticize their governments but hey...


25 posted on 12/17/2012 12:02:48 AM PST by Tzimisce (What do you do when every every branch of the government is corrupt and aligned against you?)
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To: Freedom of Speech Wins
The ironic part of this is that LBJ may have been behind what happened to JFK

Frankly, and I have no idea how, I have a gut feeling Obama may be behind this. Everything is just too damned convenient. RIGHT after the election? RIGHT before Christmas? The age of the victims? Right, just a cowinky-dink.

26 posted on 12/17/2012 12:12:55 AM PST by Lazamataz (LAZ'S LAW: As an argument with liberals goes on, the probability of being called racist approaches 1)
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To: Tzimisce

doubtful they will disarm all american citizens.


27 posted on 12/17/2012 12:22:09 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: wastoute

this is ratcheting up the tension to create the ultimate crisis. he wants martial law and to be able to unleash it all against true freedom loving,non-mooching, americans.


28 posted on 12/17/2012 12:25:02 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Tzimisce

Speaking of the British..I came across this today..Everyone in favor of new gun laws should view it. We are being fed myths left and right for the sake of the leftist agenda. Everyone is feeling crushing pain over what happened in CT but to blame what is not to blame is to further punish our people, which is the lifeblood of those who are looking for tyranny and, also, for those who want to make it look like they are doing something even if that something could not be more wrong. If you need some proof of the madness, take a look at this film.

http://www.westernjournalism.com/flashback-english-warn-us-not-to-give-up-our-guns/


29 posted on 12/17/2012 2:07:58 AM PST by jazzlite (esat)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yeah, LBJ told his staff to get on it .... right after he finished dancing a jig in delight over the death of the other Kennedy he hated.


30 posted on 12/17/2012 2:34:34 AM PST by Terry Mross ( I don't watch the "news". Someone ping me if anything big happens.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

How does one confiscate over 400 million firearms and billions of rounds of ammunition from 320 million people with only just over one million troops and police?


One at a time, I’m afraid, one at a time. On the other hand the actual people doing the ground work may find out a very unpleasant truth. It won’t be as easy in practice as it was on paper.


31 posted on 12/17/2012 2:57:11 AM PST by The Working Man
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To: Lancey Howard
Curious. I Googled the phrase just now. Your FR post was on the first page along with other gun forum posts and some translation pages.

Google is either that good - or they have retooled their engine to funnel gun posts to the government....Freaky....

32 posted on 12/17/2012 3:00:33 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: jazzlite
The Brits taught us this much. If you would be prepared to use a firearm to protect your life, even at the cost of persecution by your government, you should have used them BEFORE that day to prevent the latter from ever having occurred.

μολὼν λαβέ


33 posted on 12/17/2012 3:03:42 AM PST by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: The Working Man

I wonder just to whom will the unpleasant task of collecting millions of firearms fall? It should be very interesting. I suppose this might be one way to reduce the size of gummint! Just imagine, every ATF employee quits the day they are told it is their job. Then Zero can tell the FBI and they can quit. Who knows how far down the list he can go. Can you imagine him getting down to telling the folks at the Dept. of Energy it is their job cuz they are all that is left?


34 posted on 12/17/2012 3:10:06 AM PST by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: wastoute

That would be nice! Government reduction in action. How it will be done would be quite different.

First there would be the voluntary turn-in which will fail. Then the ATF will descend on the various FFL license holders and rescind their licenses and collect up all of their sales paperwork which then give them the address and names of gun-buyers/owners.

That’s when the hue and cry will become intense. After that all bets are off, unlike in Soviet Russia when the KGB came for the “dissidents” one by one we now have better communication methods. And yes, the Government CAN turn off the internet and cell phones etc., word of mouth still exists and rumors and gossip still seem to travel at the speed of light.

I wonder if the media would be invited to come along to record Uncle Joe and Aunt Edna’s home being raided by SWAT and their bodies brought out in body-bags because they were “Evil” gun owners. How will that play in the community? Who would be next? At what point will the body count exceed the number of children and adults at Sandy Hook Elementary in whose name this is being done? When would the tables turn on the grabbers? When would the Civil War start?

I wrote the following for another thread last week before Sandy Hook occurred, it seems even more prescient now.

I’ve been thinking about the possibility of an upcoming civil war. Any thinking, feeling human being should be scared out of their wits of the thought of one. With that said though... I have to admit that it’s pretty much inevitable. There is too much anger, too much hatred, too much loathing that has been building up for years now.

How it will start I have no idea, but unlike the last time it won’t be a war between the states. This time it will be a war on a true civil scale, neighbors or neighborhoods against each other, the citizenry against the bureaucracy. I feel that once it starts it will be true anarchy before the sides coalesce.

Historically most civil wars are instigated by the intelligentsia and some of the “upper crust” who for various reasons want to put themselves up even higher on the ladder looking down at the peons they have fooled into supporting the. In many ways this one is going to come about the same way. The College Professors who promote Marxist ideas, the MSM journalists and commentators that spread the ideas even further by slanted or even false news stories and memes.

And finally by our own elected officials and unelected bureaucrats in government. They do it by making up even more oppressive laws and regulations and turning the government into a “protection racket” demanding more and more money and resources all of the time to feed it’s unending appetites.

So how it will start is still unknown, how it will end is also. All I do know is that no one will emerge unscathed if it does.


35 posted on 12/17/2012 3:38:23 AM PST by The Working Man
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To: Freedom of Speech Wins

The ironic part of this is that LBJ may have been behind what happened to JFK.
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“May Have Been” ... LBJ’s company built the RR trestle in 1937 , only 26 years prior (adjacent to the “knoll” ) and the culvert/tunnel for rain drainage that was the ACTUAL SNIPERS POSITION for the JFK assasination in 1937 ... A Dallas policeman admitted to being the assasin on his deathbed and the tunnel leads from the knoll to a location very near the police station he worked out of. Who had TEXAS connections? I think LBJ was shocked that Oswald turned up to complete the fairy tale , a happy coincidence.


36 posted on 12/17/2012 3:41:59 AM PST by Neidermeyer
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"Why can't we just go our way and they go their way?"

That is not the totalitarians' way. They want power and control. They want a subjugated mass of serfs to lord over. They want to be able to use the lash of the whip on the backs of freedom lovers. They will never let us go. The US will either die with a whimper or free itself with blood. There is no longer another option.

37 posted on 12/17/2012 4:03:25 AM PST by Truth29
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

JFK - Bolt action rifle
RFK - .22 pistol
MLK - Bolt action rifle


38 posted on 12/17/2012 5:53:20 AM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I hope everyone is contacting their congresspeople and voicing their support for the 2nd Amendment.


39 posted on 12/17/2012 6:03:24 AM PST by stevio (God, guns, guts.)
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To: Tzar

Most guns are registered in one form or another- illegal aliens not so much


41 posted on 12/17/2012 6:28:30 AM PST by Nailbiter
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To: PapaNew
The MO of the Leftists. Tragedies should never go wasted and unused. The Demagoguery Party (AKA the DEMOgogbureauCRATS) will use any excuse for more government and more regulations.

And that, my FRiend, is EXACTLY what our spineless *G*OP should be saying in front of the cameras, 24/7!

42 posted on 12/17/2012 7:41:33 AM PST by Jane Long (Philippians 2:11)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"Demand action on comprehensive gun control immediately from this Congress or lose the opportunity during your presidency."

Overton Window

The Overton window is a political theory that describes as a narrow "window" the range of ideas that the public will find acceptable, and that states that the political viability of an idea is defined primarily by this rather than by politicians' individual preferences.[1] It is named for its originator, Joseph P. Overton,[2] a former vice president of the Mackinac Center for Public Policy.[3] At any given moment, the “window” includes a range of policies considered politically acceptable in the current climate of public opinion, which a politician can recommend without being considered too extreme to gain or keep public office.

43 posted on 12/17/2012 7:53:13 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the state." - Cornelius Tacitus, Roman Senator)
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To: Freedom of Speech Wins
The ironic part of this is that LBJ may have been behind what happened to JFK.

He was the one who derived the greatest benefit from the assassination.

44 posted on 12/17/2012 8:19:02 AM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: The Working Man
One at a time, I’m afraid, one at a time. On the other hand the actual people doing the ground work may find out a very unpleasant truth. It won’t be as easy in practice as it was on paper.

They'll have to shut down the internet, or at least selected sites like FR. Otherwise word would get out as soon as the first few confiscations occurred, and the next group would be prepared to either fight or explain about that boating accident.

45 posted on 12/17/2012 8:26:50 AM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Simple. Passive collection.

You do not go door to door, busting down barracaded houses.

You collect them as the result of other criminal investigations. You got burglarized? “Sir, we need to check the house for evidence.” Domestic violence? Arrest everyone then ransack the house.

Felonies given out every time you find one.


46 posted on 12/17/2012 8:44:44 AM PST by Lazamataz (LAZ'S LAW: As an argument with liberals goes on, the probability of being called racist approaches 1)
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To: The Working Man

I agree with you entirely which is why anyone but a sociopath would stop “nudging”. Zero isn’t just any old sociopath. He wants to see if he can out do Uncle Joe, Mao, Hitler, all of them. Sort of like a high school punk who puts “anarchist” on his FB page wants to see if he can do better than Kleebold. Sick bastards, all of them.


47 posted on 12/17/2012 10:04:17 AM PST by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: Lazamataz

Simple. Passive collection.


I agree that would work in the long-term. I just don’t think they are thinking long-term here. Their goal is in sight and I think that will overrule their normal patterns of incrementalism. They won’t be able to keep it slow either once they reach the edge of their own slippery-slope, it will snowball into an avalanche and they will be lucky if they can keep in front of it. My guess is that they will be over-run by events completely out of their control.


48 posted on 12/17/2012 11:05:57 AM PST by The Working Man
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