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Conservatism Is Dead
New Republic ^ | February 18, 2009 | Sam Tanenhaus

Posted on 02/03/2013 2:30:29 PM PST by SunkenCiv

More telling than Barack Obama's victory is the consensus, steadily building since Election Day, that the nation has sunk -- or been plunged -- into its darkest economic passage since the Great Depression. And, as Obama pushes boldly ahead, apparently with public support, the right is struggling to reclaim its authority as the voice of opposition. The contrast with 1993, when the last Democratic president took office, is instructive. Like Obama, Bill Clinton was elected in hard economic times and, like him, promised a stimulus program, only to see his modest proposal ($19.5 billion) stripped almost bare by the Senate minority leader, Bob Dole, even though Democrats had handily won the White House and Senate Republicans formed nearly as small a minority as they do today. The difference was that the Republicans -- disciplined, committed, self-assured -- held the ideological advantage, which Dole leveraged through repeated use of the filibuster. Today, such a stratagem seems unthinkable. There is instead almost universal agreement -- reinforced by the penitential testimony of Alan Greenspan and, more recently, by grudgingly conciliatory Republicans -- that the most plausible economic rescue will involve massive government intervention, quite possibly on the scale of the New Deal/Fair Deal of the 1930s and '40s and perhaps even the New Frontier/Great Society of the 1960s. All this suggests that movement doctrine has not only been defeated but discredited.

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TOPICS: Issues; Parties
KEYWORDS: conservatismisdead; deathofconservatism; samtanenhaus
Conservatism Is Dead

1 posted on 02/03/2013 2:30:37 PM PST by SunkenCiv
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To: SunkenCiv

IBWDAO (In Before We’re Doing A-OK!)


2 posted on 02/03/2013 2:32:57 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

This was published in 2009. Here's the rest of the Sam Tanenhaus keyword:
3 posted on 02/03/2013 2:36:38 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: SunkenCiv

I would never say it’s dead, but merely resting. I find that people choose liberalism when they want to live a better life than they can afford, but become more conservative when the money’s gone.


4 posted on 02/03/2013 2:37:16 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Any conservative who believes conservatism is dead needs to STFU, climb down off the corpse and GTFO because conservatives who are still living are tired of listening to them aiding the enemy.


5 posted on 02/03/2013 2:38:53 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: SunkenCiv


No mention of Conservatives like Ted Cruz!
6 posted on 02/03/2013 2:40:11 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: Revolting cat!

:’)


7 posted on 02/03/2013 2:40:14 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: SunkenCiv

“the nation has sunk — or been plunged — into its darkest economic passage since the Great Depression”

There’s people who still think in terms of “since”? The correct placement of that sentences period is after “passage”


8 posted on 02/03/2013 2:40:14 PM PST by Psycho_Bunny (Thought Puzzle: Describe Islam without using the phrase "mental disorder" more than four times.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Voter turnout ~51%. Obamunist won 51:49%. Conclusion: elected /favored by ~26% of eligible voters.


9 posted on 02/03/2013 2:42:05 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: SunkenCiv

Dammit.
I didn’t note the publication date!


10 posted on 02/03/2013 2:42:22 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: SunkenCiv

Oh...I didn’t notice the date. lol


11 posted on 02/03/2013 2:43:21 PM PST by Psycho_Bunny (Thought Puzzle: Describe Islam without using the phrase "mental disorder" more than four times.)
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To: Psycho_Bunny; onyx; cripplecreek; Jonty30

I picked that excerpt because it shows that the economic argument was and is BS — this op-ed is from 2009! It hadn’t been posted, which is weird.


12 posted on 02/03/2013 2:44:12 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: SunkenCiv
What a silly assertion from someone who's entire world consists of the contemporary political scene, apparently.

The core of conservatism is formed by hundreds, in cases thousands of years of human experience.

A false construct like progressivism - a temporary rebellion against normalcy - cannot kill it.

God's law and human nature will re-assert itself.

13 posted on 02/03/2013 2:44:42 PM PST by skeeter
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To: Revolting cat!

He can’t run again.

So far.

But this op-ed was in reference to the 2008 election, and was written in 2009.


14 posted on 02/03/2013 2:45:48 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: SunkenCiv
Where is the /S? They want to get rid of conservatism so they can finish robbing the taxpayers blind but It ain't gonna happen
15 posted on 02/03/2013 2:46:39 PM PST by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: SunkenCiv
Conservatism Is Dead

Liars. Liberal projection.

16 posted on 02/03/2013 2:50:03 PM PST by VRW Conspirator (Sometimes it takes calamity to lead to serenity - FReeper RacerX1128)
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To: SunkenCiv; All
I've gladly traded the label "Conservative" for "Insurgent".
17 posted on 02/03/2013 2:54:33 PM PST by Rodamala
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To: SunkenCiv

The seed of conservatism isn’t dead. From a tiny seed grows the giant banyan tree.


18 posted on 02/03/2013 2:59:09 PM PST by Jyotishi (Seeking the truth, a fact at a time.)
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To: skeeter; mountainlion; VRW Conspirator; Rodamala; Jyotishi

The op-ed was published in 2009.

The Obama Tax Hike

to go with

The Obama Recession


19 posted on 02/03/2013 3:02:09 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Hard economic times?

By the time Clinton took office the recession, a very mild on, was already over and a decent recovery already began. 1993 was only hard because of the idiot policies of Clinton and his far Left flirtations with all things Marxist. The best thing that ever happened to him was Republican opposition and their ability to stop the madness. This followed with a Republican majority and Gingrich forcing him to the right.


20 posted on 02/03/2013 3:04:43 PM PST by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: onyx

When writers take the defeat of Mitt Romney, and the actions of Bob Dole, as reflecting on conservatism, then they prove they don’t know what conservatism is.


21 posted on 02/03/2013 3:25:01 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: SunkenCiv
Without a net.


22 posted on 02/03/2013 3:37:09 PM PST by MestaMachine (Sometimes the smartest man in the room is standing in the midst of imbeciles.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Moribund on the national level, but still kicking at the state and local levels.

Could be revived on the national level if we could nominate a candidate with some charisma and discipline, but I don’t see any willing to run.


23 posted on 02/03/2013 3:45:30 PM PST by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: Jonty30

Conservatism, like Jack Bower, has gone dark.


24 posted on 02/03/2013 3:46:54 PM PST by Texas Songwriter (THAT)
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To: SunkenCiv

It’s not dead.


25 posted on 02/03/2013 4:09:42 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: SunkenCiv

Conservatism is not dead! Conservatives do not need to fall into that trap - whoa America is in its death throes. Let’s face it Obama plan for a transformed America will fail. Remember another dictator whom promised the 1000 year reign, the rise of a superior race and a united world, 1933 - 1945. What happened to that little weasel?

Obama is just another weasel whom has the desires to have a transformed America to actually how he wants the whole world - bankrupt, chaotic and unending conflicts that further disruption. What do expect from a Community Organizer whom was a failure in that ‘job’ too?


26 posted on 02/03/2013 4:25:37 PM PST by hondact200 (Candor dat viribos alas (sincerity gives wings to strength) and Nil desperandum (never despair))
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To: Rodamala

Right.

“Conservatism” may be a misnomer. Conserving what status quo?

The Eisenhower era? The Nixon, Reagan, Bush eras?

Let’s go back a little farther.

Conservatism may be dead, but Conservatives aren’t.
If Conservatism *is* dead, opposition to Liberalism sure as hell isn’t.


27 posted on 02/03/2013 4:38:55 PM PST by Chad N. Freud ((FR is the modern equivalent of the Committees of Correspondence. Let other analogies arise.))
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To: SunkenCiv
I guess nobody here actually reads anymore.
28 posted on 02/03/2013 5:09:36 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: hinckley buzzard
I guess nobody here

Indeed, nobody here.

29 posted on 02/03/2013 5:10:58 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: SunkenCiv

The New deal and Great Society programs are what got us here in the first place... (Along with the FED)


30 posted on 02/03/2013 5:13:59 PM PST by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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To: SunkenCiv

Conservatism won’t die. Liberalism will see to it.
Why? Because they can’t help but to push their
garbage too far. I will admit that I am surprised
that they have been able to get away with as much as
they have so far. But sooner or later that will
change. It may take a war. One thing for sure,
only a fool who believes in the credibility of
The New Republic would believe that FDR’s New Deal
had anything to do with ending the Great Depression
of the 1930s.


31 posted on 02/03/2013 5:22:02 PM PST by Sivad (Nor Cal Red Turf)
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To: SunkenCiv
As someone who was liberal in his teens but is now in his sixties a raging conservative thanks in large part to people like Tanenhaus, I'd have to say he's as incredibly ignorant of conservatism. He doesn't have a clue. Simply put, Tanenhaus doesn't understand the country he lives in. I've seen the incredible failures of liberalism...it's why I'm a conservative now. Liberalism/leftism does not work.

He's only right in that he has plenty of other ignoramuses/thieves who think life is for taking from what others have produced, and right now they outnumber conservatives. But his idea that conservatism is dead is moronic. As I recall, King Barack only won election by about three percentage points. Hardly a resounding affirmation of liberalism i.e. theft.

32 posted on 02/03/2013 5:29:40 PM PST by driftless2
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To: Revolting cat!

Sam Tanenhaus, the gifted writer that he is, says that we are too “revanchist” and we need need to compromise more. He also states that big government is here to stay. My simplified take on his essay. I don’t doubt that compromise is essential to our political process, but I reject his notion that we can never reduce the size of government again. What is the point of trying to conserve our traditions, our culture, and our Constitution if we don’t ever to try to put policies into effect which support them? I don’t see the lack of compromise as our main problem, it’s the abandonment of our principles and our inability to articulate these beliefs to the American public in a persuasive way. To help conservatism achieve political success, I think we need to keep our platform simple and concentrate on just a few things:

1. Reducing the size of the Federal government — returning more of its current functions to the state, local authorities, and, more importantly, to the individual. Think the 10th Amendment. More government means less personal freedom.

2. Reducing the level of taxation — Making progress on item 1 will permit progress on item 2. More taxation means less business and personal money and less freedom.

3. Strong defense and border security — While we attempt to return some of the functions of Federal government to local governance, we recognize the need for a strong and vibrant military. We also believe that border security, is an essential role of the Federal Government. The protection of the U.S. is the number one purpose of the Federal Government.

So, if we focus on things essential to our core principles and we use the new media effectively, we will achieve electoral success again in the near future. Compromise is essential in the political process, but the belief that we can never achieve a smaller and more Constitutionally-compliant Federal Government is giving up the battle before even fighting it. We have to be more intelligent while pursuing change in the political process and recognize some of the practical limitations that therein exist, but we don’t have to surrender to it.


33 posted on 02/03/2013 7:01:24 PM PST by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: Revolting cat!
Voter turnout ~51%. Obamunist won 51:49%. Conclusion: elected /favored by ~26% of eligible voters.

Precisely! The mission of the Republicans, is to get the lion's share of the remaining 74% to the polls to vote for our candidates.

34 posted on 02/03/2013 8:01:55 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: cripplecreek

>> Any conservative who believes conservatism is dead needs to STFU

Ah, the precondition of necessity.


35 posted on 02/04/2013 2:40:59 AM PST by Gene Eric (The Palin Doctrine.)
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To: hinckley buzzard

I’ve decided to just be happy the topic generated so much interest.


36 posted on 02/04/2013 8:04:59 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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