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The Tea Party can survive Karl Rove's wrath, but being purged from Fox News could help kill it
The London Daily Telegraph ^ | February 7, 2013 | Dr. Tim Stanley

Posted on 02/07/2013 11:34:39 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

According to Politico, “a political colonoscopy is going on before our eyes.” Yuck. Karl Rove has set up a Super PAC to keep controversial conservatives from winning Republican primaries and the Senate leadership has established a “buddy system” to keep Tea Party congressmen in line (“buddy” as in “you should probably vote the way we tell you to, buddy…”). But the most important changes are taking place at Fox where heavyweights Sarah Palin and Dick Morris are out as contributors. A lot of this is post-election house clearing (CNN has moved staff around, too) but it also suggests that the GOP establishment is blaming the 2012 election loss on the Tea Party and the impolite Right.

Is its assessment correct? Yes and no. “Yes” in the sense that the outspoken weirdness of some Tea Party candidates shifted the balance of the Senate in the Democratic Party’s favour and “yes” in that they allowed Obama to play the culture war card so brilliantly against Mitt Romney. The margin of the 2012 election was decided by gender, race and age – and while the GOP did well with its old white guy base, Tea Party radicalism helped Obama to build a winning advantage among “everyone else”. And so moderates are now conspiring to silence the conservatives.

But, in defence of conservatives, the Republican Party did not actually run a Tea Party candidate in 2012. It ran a moderate from Massachusetts with a record of inventing Obamacare and supporting legalised abortion. Romney might have u-turned on all those positions, but the idea that the Tea Party hijacked the GOP nomination in 2012 is simply absurd...

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TOPICS: Issues; Parties; U.S. Congress; U.S. Senate
KEYWORDS: 2014; elites; gop; karlrove; palin; republicans; teaparty; teapartyrebellion
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To: meadsjn

My question was rhetorical/sarcastic in nature.


21 posted on 02/08/2013 3:56:15 AM PST by Doofer (Still, a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Rove has successfully isolated himself. The left already hates him, now the right hates him. All that is left is the squishy middle, with candidates like McCain and Romney. How has that worked for us?

Our media (including Fox) is despicable. Obama was AWOL for Benghazi - imagine if that had been Bush? We need a grass roots media to get the message out and Fox's rehiring of Rove proves it is not it.

22 posted on 02/08/2013 4:53:55 AM PST by Neverforget01 (OMG-Obama Must Go)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I support the Tea Party. In the last year I don’t think I have watched more than 30 minutes of fox news, to many hand wringers. I find other ways of getting my news.


23 posted on 02/08/2013 5:46:09 AM PST by knife6375 (US Navy Veteran)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Fox News fair and balanced?
Geraldo, Juan Williams, Kristol, Beckel, Kucinich, Scott Brown (coming). Bottom line, not worth watching anymore.


24 posted on 02/08/2013 5:48:24 AM PST by kenmcg (scapegoat)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Anybody who cares about the country should have untethered from cable TV long ago.
25 posted on 02/08/2013 6:01:53 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (TYRANNY: When the people fear the politicians. LIBERTY: When the politicians fear the people.)
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To: ThePatriotsFlag
Rove is mostly “myth”... Has engineered more losers than winners...he is a perfect target because he is touted, but is nothing but hot air and his record, outlined in detail by Levin, proves it.

Plus, he gave us Bush!

Plus, he gave us Bush!

Plus, he gave us Bush!

26 posted on 02/08/2013 6:07:48 AM PST by varon (USA Nationalist)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Cable news is so last century.
Gave up on Fox years ago.
O’Reilly is a despicable and UNINFORMED human being. Hannity is an UNINFORMED bumbling doofus.

Did you all read the bit about Obama’s use of modern media and Data mining/Analytics to get out the vote?

The world has turned. Advertising on Old TV is not the answer. Joe Scarborough’s “Conservatism” is not the answer.

Individual activists (Patriots!) having connections with 100 people who will vote is the answer. Imagaine if everyone you knew, and everyone they knew cast their votes in the last election . . . now THAT would be a different world.


27 posted on 02/08/2013 6:35:09 AM PST by Macoozie (1) Win the Senate 2) Repeal Obamacare 3) Impeach Roberts)
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To: mgist

“while Obama is having them deported in greater numbers than ever”

If you’re not careful, Barry will have you believe he’s curing cancer too.


28 posted on 02/08/2013 6:37:14 AM PST by ScottfromNJ
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To: Grandma Conservative

I agree 100%.

Is is disgraceful we have been excluded from all news media.

What is the problem? There is plenty of money, but we are excluded.

We need to start raising a ruckus.


29 posted on 02/08/2013 6:38:56 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Conservatives haven’t demanded any better. Plus, we need much better organization and involvement in party politics. Other than the uptick in participation in the 2010 elections, conservatives just won’t put in the time and work needed to really change things.


30 posted on 02/08/2013 6:45:17 AM PST by Grandma Conservative (Take back the GOP Now, not in three years or be prepared to vote RINO once again.)
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To: MestaMachine

I’m 81, I go back as an active Republican campaigner to before Nixon and then to Goldwater/Reagan .While I have a website I’ve been using FR’s as my blog. I retired after Reagan won and moved out of state but before that I ran successful campaigns for state and local legislative offices in the1960s to 1983. . In the Reagan campaigns assisted the state chair in developing campaign pieces for Reagan’s successful bid both in the primary and the general elections where I’ve been told by the late John L Waner* some of my stuff is in the Reagan library. The state was Illinois, the city Chicago. If my stuff is there or not I don’t know for certain but that’s what John told me.* Regional HUD director under Nixon

First of all guys like Rove and others ignored the mechanics of basic campaigning. They allowed the M.ainline S.ocialist M.edia drive the issues and are still doing so they learned nothing from their disasters.I find it inexcuseable for Rove to allow his boss GWB get continuosly trashed without responding.

These people I call them GOPES because it rhymes with dopes right now are falling into the same trap. Limbaugh and Levin, God bless them ...realize that what Limbaugh calls the LIV’s (low intelligence voters) actually believe that Obama is offering the proverbial “olive branch” to Republicans when actually he is proceeding on his path to complete socialism. AND THEY CAN’T CALL HIM A LIAR .

This administration came up with a policy on energy which had driven up the cost on everything. It was on the tongue of every black, white. yellow,and brown skined person living in the US....IT WENT UNTOUCHED in the 2012 campaign....WORSE YET IT IS STILL GOING UNCHALLANGED

Now the GOPES are buying into the “demographic” argument offered by the MSM. Here you have an issue staring at them straight in the face affecting every man,woman,and child of every skin color and you can’t bring it up and they talk about “demographics” being pushed by the socialist media .

They should be decrying the philosphy of “demographics” by stating they’re Americans first not Afro-Americans. not Hispanic-Americans and not-Asian-Americans, or “White”-Americans. The counter charge should be these are socialist tactics neing pushed by the hypenated Demo-coms. Democrats in socialist/fascist clothing. Let alone not mention the booing of God’s name during their convention then belittle those Republicans who express a religious conviction even to the point of suggesting that those that do shouldn’t run for political office.

Rove and his RINOS are wrong for the Republicans .


31 posted on 02/08/2013 7:06:56 AM PST by mosesdapoet ("It's a sin to tell a lie", in telling others that , got me my nickname ......Ex Chi" mechanic")
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To: staytrue
The only thing I do understand is Akin getting beat.

IIRC, Akin wasn't the "Tea Party" candidate.

32 posted on 02/08/2013 7:12:17 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; kristinn; Jim Robinson; onyx; Nachum; IBD editorial writer; blam; ...

The Liberal Agenda Media loves nothing more than to demonize debate on viewpoints that are different from theirs.

The maturity level of a Liberal is that of a teenager, Ben Stein calls it “Juvenile.”

Middle-of-the-road guys like me that believe that there should be NO Federal borrowing, “selling” of US Bonds, or anything else that causes the damned Federal Government to live beyond its means, are wasting our time reasoning with Liberals.

While the Liberals couch all of our reasoned discussions as “wedge” issues that will splinter the GOP, we need to continue to focus on where WE as the GOP has gone onto the wrong track.

Let us consider that the GOP is a football team. One of the Assistant Coaches is Karl Rove. Karl’s strong suit is the Buckley Rule: “Support your team mates if : 1) They are athletes that you like, and 2.) If you think they can win the next game.”

[Note: the real Buckley Rule is: “ Support the most Conservative candidate, who can be elected. In the last election the GOP followed the Buckley Rule to the letter and chose Socialist, Father of Romney”care,” never-attack-your-opponent, wussy, Mitter-or-Mutter Romney.]

Back to GOP Football. Ass. Coach Rove picks out his choices for the O-Line, and to a man they agree that there is no sense playing any game this season because there is no way that they can win the Football Game. The Opposition has just to many bad things to say and print in their news shows and newspapers, well -— - - - it is just to hard!

The sponsors, (you and me), of this GOP Team are tired of the self-defeating Buckley Rule, and want the rule and Ass. Coach Rove sent back to the locker room where the trainers can work some sense in Rove.

Quarterback Boehner does not like some players, and has already sent 3 of them to warm up the bench. Q. Boehner is driven to tears fearing that Middle Line Backer Reid knows all of Boehner’s passing routes. Reid’s team does not play fair! Boo-hoo!

Earlier this year in the Sequester Bowl, Q. Boehner clutched up and called to many time outs that his team had negative yardage due to delay of game penalties.

Quarterback Boehner is still convinced that the upcoming Debt Ceiling Superbowl cannot be won due to statements of smug victory in the Puppet Liberal Agenda Media by Coach Obama and Middle Line Backer Reid.

Quarterback Boehner is considering polling the solid RINOs on his team to find out whether or not they can beat Reid and Obama.

Right now it looks like the RINO team members are leaning toward postponing the Debt Ceiling Superbowl until Reid and Obama start to say nice things about them.

Coach Obama’s outgoing Waterboy Timmy Geihtner, has assured his replacement that RINOs on a team make it easy to manipulate them.

Geihtner claims that all you have to do is hold a Puppet Press Conference and just say “NO!”


33 posted on 02/08/2013 8:19:13 AM PST by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Commune Obama"care" violates Anti-Trust Laws, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: All

For those who want a less humorous slant on the Let’s not even try to win Buckley Rule:

The RINO-Way has failed to deliver.

It is sunset time for the RINOs, and as RINOs like Rove have shown, they will still snort and bellow long after sunset.

Just as Big Government is not part of the solution, but IS the problem, so too are the goals of the RINOs for those of us who want Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.

The present sorry state of RINO Leaders such as the Esteemed Sobber of The House John “Doormat” Boehner is encapsulated in the Congressional RINO Mantra: “ We have to find a Bipartisan Compromise that will pass both Houses, and that Obama will sign.”

This Congressional RINO Mantra is directly taken from The Buckley Rule which states: “Support the most Conservative Candidate that can win.”

IOW, the assumption of what is good or bad is not a factor for the Country or the GOP. The assumption is that one can discern what will be accepted by others is something that can be known before it is tried.

Thus, Obama or Reid can immobilize the RINO dominated US House of Representatives by just saying “NO” at a press conference to any idea that a RINO might propose.

The result is that only 3 people are needed to manage the US Federal Government: Senate, House and White House Leaders. Currently that is Reid, Boehner and Jarrett, respectively.

Hence, the RINOs have insured that the US Federal Government will not be good for America.

The RINOs have made it very easy for the Democrats to grind America to a halt.

By rejecting the RINOs’ Buckley Rule, the GOP will open the Party to Candidates that are good for the Party.

By rejecting the Congressional RINO Mantra, the US Congress will be open to political action that will override the current 3 leader ‘stall, delay and deny’ political nightmare.

It is pointless to blame the Communists and Socialists in the US Federal Government, because they are just doing what Communists and Socialists do best: regulate, Control and DESTROY!

Between now and the National Election in 2014, the only obstacle that needs to be overcome is the RINO control of the Republican Party.

GAME ON RINO Karl “Turd Blossom” Rove, GAME ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Proudly fly your Gadsden flag, and attend TO TAKE OVER your local RINO Doormat Party Meetings!

_____________

Ponder this:

IMHO , the worst “Goal” assumption is contained in the “Buckley Rule:” Support the most Conservative Candidate WHO CAN WIN.

The Gop-Elite IN the Party chose Dole, McCain and Romney. All lost, and all were not clear about what it was that they were trying to CONSERVE.

If one is going to play Basketball, then there had better be a lot of air in the ball, AND NO LIBERAL PATCHES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The enlarged letters are for effect: People IN the Party are usually wrong about how people OUTSIDE the Party will vote.

Dole, McCain and Romney were supported by the powers that be in the GOP because they COULD win! You bet! When pigs fly!

_______

The second point is the “Me Too” mentality of the GOP Elites who want to compete for the Democrats pool of Big Government voters.

Hence, the GOP has moved so far to the left, that the bulk of the GOP is far to the left of JFK Democrats of 50 + years ago.

Without clear distinctions, the GOP will continue to be the fat kid “Big Tent” wanna-be Democrat that nobody will play with in the Schoolyard playground called The US Federal Government.
__________________

The last point is the “Inertia of Stupidity.”

Ignorance is when one has not learned something.

Stupidity is when one is mentally unable to learn something.

The GOP Elite try to lose big every 4 years - - - maybe they have learned that losing is a lot easier than winning?

If so, then WE are stupid for not learning that the Sun has already set on the RINO GOP Elite, the Buckley Rule and the RINO Congressional Mantra.

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Graewoulf to jimbo123; All
The RINO-Way has failed to deliver.

It is sunset time for the RINOs, and as RINOs like Rove have shown, they will still snort and bellow long after sunset.

Just as Big Government is not part of the solution, but IS the problem, so too are the goals of the RINOs for those of us who want Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.

The present sorry state of RINO Leaders such as the Esteemed Sobber of The House John “Doormat” Boehner is encapsulated in the Congressional RINO Mantra: “ We have to find a Bipartisan Compromise that will pass both Houses, and that Obama will sign.”

This Congressional RINO Mantra is directly taken from The Buckley Rule which states: “Support the most Conservative Candidate that can win.”

IOW, the assumption of what is good or bad is not a factor for the Country or the GOP. The assumption is that one can discern what will be accepted by others is something that can be known before it is tried.

Thus, Obama or Reid can immobilize the RINO dominated US House of Representatives by just saying “NO” at a press conference to any idea that a RINO might propose.

The result is that only 3 people are needed to manage the US Federal Government: Senate, House and White House Leaders. Currently that is Reid, Boehner and Jarrett, respectively.

Hence, the RINOs have insured that the US Federal Government will not be good for America.

The RINOs have made it very easy for the Democrats to grind America to a halt.

By rejecting the RINOs’ Buckley Rule, the GOP will open the Party to Candidates that are good for the Party.

By rejecting the Congressional RINO Mantra, the US Congress will be open to political action that will override the current 3 leader ‘stall, delay and deny’ political nightmare.

It is pointless to blame the Communists and Socialists in the US Federal Government, because they are just doing what Communists and Socialists do best: regulate, Control and DESTROY!

Between now and the National Election in 2014, the only obstacle that needs to be overcome is the RINO control of the Republican Party.

GAME ON RINO Karl “Turd Blossom” Rove, GAME ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Proudly fly your Gadsden flag, and attend TO TAKE OVER your local RINO Doormat Party Meetings!

_____________

Ponder this:

IMHO , the worst “Goal” assumption is contained in the “Buckley Rule:” Support the most Conservative Candidate WHO CAN WIN.

The Gop-Elite IN the Party chose Dole, McCain and Romney. All lost, and all were not clear about what it was that they were trying to CONSERVE.

If one is going to play Basketball, then there had better be a lot of air in the ball, AND NO LIBERAL PATCHES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The enlarged letters are for effect: People IN the Party are usually wrong about how people OUTSIDE the Party will vote.

Dole, McCain and Romney were supported by the powers that be in the GOP because they COULD win! You bet! When pigs fly!

_______

The second point is the “Me Too” mentality of the GOP Elites who want to compete for the Democrats pool of Big Government voters.

Hence, the GOP has moved so far to the left, that the bulk of the GOP is far to the left of JFK Democrats of 50 + years ago.

Without clear distinctions, the GOP will continue to be the fat kid “Big Tent” wanna-be Democrat that nobody will play with in the Schoolyard playground called The US Federal Government.
__________________

The last point is the “Inertia of Stupidity.”

Ignorance is when one has not learned something.

Stupidity is when one is mentally unable to learn something.

The GOP Elite try to lose big every 4 years - - - maybe they have learned that losing is a lot easier than winning?

If so, then WE are stupid for not learning that the Sun has already set on the RINO GOP Elite, the Buckley Rule and the RINO Congressional Mantra.


34 posted on 02/08/2013 8:27:18 AM PST by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Commune Obama"care" violates Anti-Trust Laws, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: Graewoulf

This national crisis of the economy, healthcare, religious liberty, illegal immigration, military hollowing-out, fall of the dollar, joblessness, etc., can not be tackled, re-routed, reversed, even slowed, and certainly not stopped until Americans take back not the damn government, but the public schools, the NEA, and the union, all of which for 50 years at least, have been marked out as the pathway for Marxist-communist influence and take-over.

The job is done. Not a single conservative player has noticed that fact. Not one. No agenda of theirs ever addresses the local public schools, and universities.

This is why and how Obamacare has been allowed to arise and will so entangle itself in our system that it will emerge as an imitation of our public school system, acceptable and catastrophic at the same time.

Our future is so crystal clear and futile that we can take bets on it, if we don’t take back our schools and start soon.
Tag line still stands.


35 posted on 02/08/2013 9:35:11 AM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: Graewoulf
BONE-HEAD Boehner has GOT TO GO!
He's UNACCEPTABLE !
36 posted on 02/08/2013 9:58:52 AM PST by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
From the original source:
Fox need a conservative competitor, right now.
Rush, it's time you bought a T.V. Channel, and let Mark Levin, Sean Hannity, and others of your choosing run it.
But don't use Bill O'Reilly, because that RINO would destroy it.
37 posted on 02/08/2013 10:41:45 AM PST by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The Tea Party protestors came out to protest socialized medicine which violates the division of powers and other violations of the constitution since the patriot act became law.

The media spokespeople boiled that down to ‘cut social security.” As a result, the Tea Party people did not hear themselves in what was being said in their name.

Re-organizing at the grass roots with a clearer and popular constitutional mission, is what we need. Constitutional freedom unites patriots in both parties against the limo liberals in both parties.

That’s my take on the status of the Tea Party here.


38 posted on 02/08/2013 11:14:00 AM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: Yosemitest

Karl Rove’s ideas have failed, white board and all.

Karl has dug his Buckley Rule defeatist hole, and only knows how to dig it deeper.

It is time for us to reject the Buckley Rule and Karl Rove.


39 posted on 02/08/2013 1:47:41 PM PST by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Commune Obama"care" violates Anti-Trust Laws, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: Macoozie

Plus massive voter fraud.


40 posted on 02/08/2013 2:32:58 PM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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