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Young, Liberal and Open to Big Government
NY Times ^ | 2-11-2013 | Sheryl Gay Stolberg

Posted on 02/12/2013 1:39:26 PM PST by Sir Napsalot

MISSOULA, Mont. — This funky college town, nestled along two rivers where five mountain ranges converge, has long been a liberal pocket, an isolated speck of blue in a deeply red state. Now Montana is electing more politicians who lean that way, thanks to a different-minded generation of young voters animated by the recession and social issues.

(snip) It is no secret that young voters tilt left on social issues like immigration and gay rights. But these students, and dozens of other young people interviewed here last week, give voice to a trend that is surprising pollsters and jangling the nerves of Republicans. On a central philosophical question of the day — the size and scope of the federal government — a clear majority of young people embraces President Obama’s notion that it can be a constructive force, a point he intends to make in his State of the Union address on Tuesday.

“Young people absolutely believe that there’s a role for government,” said Matt Singer, a founder of Forward Montana, a left-leaning though officially nonpartisan group that seeks to engage young people in politics. “At the same time, this is not a generation of socialists. They are highly entrepreneurial, and know that some of what it takes to create an environment where they can do their own exciting, creative things is having basic systems that work.”

Here in Montana, a state that backed John McCain in 2008 and Mr. Romney last year, voters under 30 have helped elect two Democratic senators and a new Democratic governor. Nationally, young voters have since 2004 been casting their ballots for Democrats by far wider margins than previous young generations — a shift that could reshape American politics for decades.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Issues; Parties
KEYWORDS:
Growing pains.
1 posted on 02/12/2013 1:39:34 PM PST by Sir Napsalot
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To: Sir Napsalot
It is no secret that young voters tilt left on social issues like immigration and gay rights.

And by 'left' they mean 'ignorant.'

2 posted on 02/12/2013 1:41:12 PM PST by relictele
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To: Sir Napsalot

““At the same time, this is not a generation of socialists. They are highly entrepreneurial, and know that some of what it takes to create an environment where they can do their own exciting, creative things is having basic systems that work.””

Entrepreneurial? What the hell is that, selling yarn crafts and homemade candles on Etsy?

“Exciting, creative things” means they are not creating the next fortune 500 company but pitching ideas on kickstarter or writing shotty apps while living in mom’s basement.


3 posted on 02/12/2013 1:47:45 PM PST by VanDeKoik
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To: Sir Napsalot

Ah, the new York slimes....

Looking for a light in every closet....


4 posted on 02/12/2013 1:49:57 PM PST by illiac (If we don't change directions soon, we'll get where we're going)
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To: Sir Napsalot

>>Young people absolutely believe that there’s a role for government<<

Translation: GIMMEGIMMEGIMMEGIMMEGIMME!!!


5 posted on 02/12/2013 1:50:44 PM PST by freedumb2003 (I learned everything I needed to know about racism from Colin Powell)
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To: Sir Napsalot

Was not this school described in “Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance?”

Appropriately?

(Not you, Missoula STEM folks, we know you maintain standards.)


6 posted on 02/12/2013 1:53:00 PM PST by Da Coyote
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(More excerpt) "Under-30 voters are “the only age group in which a majority said the government should do more to fix problems,” the nonpartisan Pew Research Center reported in November. In a Pew survey a year earlier, more than 8 in 10 said they believed that Social Security and Medicare had been good for the country, and they were especially supportive of seeing the programs overhauled so they would be intact when they retire. (Young people were also more open than their elders to privatizing the programs.) "
7 posted on 02/12/2013 1:55:43 PM PST by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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and then they graduate into the real world and are deeply shocked that it is nothing like they were told.


8 posted on 02/12/2013 1:55:44 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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Perhaps the least obvious consequences of the Cloward/Piven agenda of Obama is that as the Left one by one destroys state economies (expecting Fed bail-outs of course) the youths from these liberal financial basket cases returning from university socialist indoctrination have no job opportunities there...

...so they move to the American Red (as removed from the Communist aka Democrat Red) States to make a living and thus bring with them their benighted ideology which infects the successful regions which prosper only because they reject the noxious notions of these maladroitly mentally molded Marxist minors..

9 posted on 02/12/2013 2:00:34 PM PST by Happy Rain ("Banning guns over Adam Lanza is like banning speech over Bill Maher.")
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To: Sir Napsalot

Maybe the Founders understood something to specify 21-year-old males for the vote in the Constitution (at a time when life expectancy was what, 45?). I imagine you had a family well-started and were providing for others. You had “skin in the game”, and it made sense that your voice should count.

Modern society has extended adolescence what, well into the 30’s? Live with your parents. Use their insurance. Eat their food. Now they vote at 18. Talk about bass-ackwards.

Just more 20th century destruction of America by Progressives.


10 posted on 02/12/2013 2:07:23 PM PST by Empire_of_Liberty
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That’s the nature of youth, people tend to grow more conservative as they age. Because when you’re young you see a messed up world and want somebody to fix it, as you get older and see more and more attempts to fix it fail and cause more problems you learn they’re best avoided.


11 posted on 02/12/2013 2:11:40 PM PST by discostu (Not just another moon faced assassin of joy.)
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Yes, but something has changed. At 30 I was married, had two young children and was working at a bare minimum 60 hours per week. Thus any notions I may have picked-up on my college campus about singing Kumbaya in our Big Socialist Happyland had been melted away by reality.

Does not seem to be happening with this latest generation.


12 posted on 02/12/2013 2:19:21 PM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Well there’s the whole failure to launch crowd, they of course love big government, but most of them are too lazy to vote so I don’t worry about them.


13 posted on 02/12/2013 2:21:47 PM PST by discostu (Not just another moon faced assassin of joy.)
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To: Sir Napsalot
That has been the lefts/communist strategy for 50+ years. Propaganda through the institutions of higher learning to create millions of useful idiots.
14 posted on 02/12/2013 2:24:02 PM PST by mosaicwolf (Strength and Honor)
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To: Sir Napsalot
Two generations of progressive controlled education +

mainstream media as a full supporting member of the regime +

uncontrolled illegal immigration =

BIG TROUBLE

15 posted on 02/12/2013 2:25:31 PM PST by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

>>> Does not seem to be happening with this latest generation.

Egggzzaakly.

?????


16 posted on 02/12/2013 2:31:59 PM PST by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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“Show me a young Conservative and I'll show you someone with no heart. Show me an old Liberal and I'll show you someone with no brains.” ― Winston Churchill
17 posted on 02/12/2013 2:34:46 PM PST by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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[Sorry, hit post before I finished.]

Not with current regime encouraging irresponsibility and rewarding such behavior left and right.

18 posted on 02/12/2013 2:35:13 PM PST by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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Daniel Greenfield wrote a great column about this a couple of weeks ago. The left-wingers don’t have very many children. They spend their money on trendy cars, trendy condos, trendy clothes and nice vacations. You spend your money raising the children who will later be indoctrinated by the left-wingers.

“Your kids are their kids.”

Greenfield’s solution? We emulate the most conservative religious groups in America, such as the Amish. They have their own education system and their own culture and entertainment, excluding the influences of the left. They have lots of children. A few leave the community, but most of those remain conservative anyway. And most of the kids stay.


19 posted on 02/12/2013 2:57:54 PM PST by Bryan
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To: Buckeye McFrog

I know quite a few young people serving our country overseas. All is not lost.


20 posted on 02/12/2013 2:58:47 PM PST by outpostinmass2
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To: Sir Napsalot

>>> Growing pains.

Anyway, what scares me the most is reading the readers’ response in either the NYT picks or Reader picks sections.


21 posted on 02/12/2013 2:59:37 PM PST by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: Sir Napsalot

It is news that young people are lefties?


22 posted on 02/12/2013 3:00:58 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: discostu

You have to be doing adult things to be considered grown up.


23 posted on 02/12/2013 3:10:06 PM PST by Catmom
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To: Sir Napsalot

U of M

(dancing school of the north) :)


24 posted on 02/12/2013 3:19:59 PM PST by utax
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Young, Liberal and Open to Big Government

In other words, bums who want to use the state to steal from their neighbors what they refuse to earn for themselves. Democrat scum bums.
25 posted on 02/12/2013 3:22:26 PM PST by Trod Upon (Civilian disarmament is the precursor to democide.)
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To: relictele
Ignorance and idroctrinated aren't exactly the same thing. Our problems steam for corrupting our schools, colleges and "entertainment".
26 posted on 02/12/2013 4:00:25 PM PST by Red Dog #1
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“At the same time, this is not a generation of socialists. They are highly entrepreneurial, and know that some of what it takes to create an environment where they can do their own exciting, creative things is having basic systems that work.”

Bull poop. You can't be both. What "basic systems" are they talking about that never worked in the past or don't work now? Nothing but pretty buzz words.

27 posted on 02/12/2013 4:02:26 PM PST by Clock King
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