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Republican Leaders Worry Their Party Could Divide in Two
Yahoo! News / National Journal ^ | February 14, 2013 | Ron Fournier

Posted on 02/14/2013 5:54:09 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

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$20 dollar expense account hamburgers and running Bob Dole's campaign. That's it in a nutshell, isn't it?
1 posted on 02/14/2013 5:54:12 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Not to mention the pro-defense Republicans and the “burn it all down then” Republicans.


2 posted on 02/14/2013 5:55:40 PM PST by SkyPilot
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I sure hope it does. I refuse to donate a single dollar to them anymore and have SPAMmed every email I get from them. Until the Tea Party takes over or gives us a pleasant alternative, I’m done with the Stupid-a$$ Party.


3 posted on 02/14/2013 5:57:13 PM PST by laweeks
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

A little slow on the uptake there, Scott. Try and keep up.


4 posted on 02/14/2013 5:57:31 PM PST by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

We didn’t start the war.


5 posted on 02/14/2013 5:58:39 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Could? How about did already?


6 posted on 02/14/2013 6:00:20 PM PST by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The "Republican Leaders" are just figuring that out now? Seems like most of us had that figured out pretty definitively back when the Republican Leaders were Palin'izing the Tea Party and Conservative Leaders. We tried to warn 'em. But they gave us Romney anyway. I'd say the division is nearing completion at this point.


7 posted on 02/14/2013 6:01:32 PM PST by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

with obama and the left massivley overreaching there would be good potential to pick up lots of seats in 2014

EXCEPT

the republican party is deliberately destroying itself with conservative voters. The idiots.


8 posted on 02/14/2013 6:02:39 PM PST by Cubs Fan (If the republican party wants to be the democrat lite party then they don't need my vote)
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To: laweeks
Just return mailed my latest RNC donation request with a big, fat $0 !!

Direct Tea Party donations ONLY!!

9 posted on 02/14/2013 6:05:21 PM PST by Jane Long
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The Republican Party is irrelevant as far as I'm concerned. I left it after the debacle in November and registered as a Conservative. The GOP is full of a lot of flaccid appeasers who have long abandoned the core values of the party. President Reagan must be spinning in his grave.



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10 posted on 02/14/2013 6:06:05 PM PST by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Don’t want it to happen?
It easy. Throw us some bones. We’re tired of being asked “Where else will you go?”
The answer is “Dunno. But I’d rather be right than President.”


11 posted on 02/14/2013 6:11:41 PM PST by Little Ray (Waiting for the return of the Gods of the Copybook Headings.)
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To: Jane Long
Just return mailed my latest RNC donation request with a big, fat $0 !!

Like your idea. Empty envelope . . . but ya' gotta' tell 'em why your not sending them any bucks!

12 posted on 02/14/2013 6:13:38 PM PST by laweeks
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Still trying to figure out what possible good a “lobbyist and operative” conributes to our society...

But, hopefully his expense reimbursement permits him to decently tip his Palms server getting paid minimum wage.


13 posted on 02/14/2013 6:15:21 PM PST by L,TOWM (No one in the US is free of the spirit of entitlement)
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To: Jane Long

I think that is a great idea. Make sure that you tell them that your normal donation to the RNC went to the Tea Party this year.


14 posted on 02/14/2013 6:15:32 PM PST by kempster
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To: All

Hey Karl... You cannot divide by Zero.


15 posted on 02/14/2013 6:15:34 PM PST by Klemper
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
He cited the familiar litany of problems: demographic change, poor candidates, ideological rigidity,

The ideological rigidity, IMHO, continually plays out by the establishment Republicans stacking the deck against conservative candidates and treating conservative, anti-Democrat/Leftist supporters like red-headed step-children, even after repeatedly having their annointed candidates getting their a$$e$ handed to them by the Rats in election after election. Screw them. They refuse to learn.

16 posted on 02/14/2013 6:16:04 PM PST by RatRipper (Self-centeredness, greed, envy, deceit and lawless corruption has killed this once great nation.)
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To: laweeks

Oh, I tell ‘em alright!! I also write “Tea Party candidates ONLY!!” after my $0...:(


17 posted on 02/14/2013 6:17:02 PM PST by Jane Long
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To: cripplecreek

No. We did not start the political genocide of Conservatives. The Judenrat GOP leadership did, at the behest of the Ruling Class MarxoFascists in whom they marvel and wish to be liked by.

The GOP are nothing but the Judenrat for the regime. They hope the MarxoFascist crocodile will give them the crumbs from the table, because those idiots somehow think the crocodile is not even going to bother eating them in the end.

The GOP are at war with Conservatives as surely as the MarxoFascists are.

So I will war on them in return and put my weight behind TEA Party Conservatives only. Anyone else needs to be seen and treated the same way we see Democrats/Marxists/Liberals; as enemies of the Constitution.


18 posted on 02/14/2013 6:17:02 PM PST by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: INVAR
The GOP are nothing but the Judenrat for the regime.

Pinching the feeding tube of the already comatose GOP as the democrats happily goose step into full on fascism.

If they want to moderate someone, then they need to moderate the party that actually needs it.
19 posted on 02/14/2013 6:21:52 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What if Karl gave a party, and nobody came?


20 posted on 02/14/2013 6:22:57 PM PST by DManA
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To: so_real

That seems to be the only the Conservatives are going to get anything again The Rovians will always attract the mbig money because they, like the Democrats, blackmail the big business sources. If you send us a lot of money we won’t pass legislation that hurts you and we will push legislation that helps you and/or hurts your competition. It is not so much stated as implied by the situation and the known character of the pols. There is no point in giving money to politicians who are not intending to hurt you or specifically help you.


21 posted on 02/14/2013 6:23:10 PM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE www.fee.org/library/books/economics-in-one-lesson)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

They brought it on themselves. I will never again vote for an establishment Republican. I will vote for a third party candidate, if necessary, just to stick it to the Karl Rove’s of the world. The GOP thinks it can argue and reason its way to victory. It will never happen. The RINO establishment is so paralyzed with fear of losing the power it has now, that it will never fight to save the nation. As a result, they will almost certainly lose control of the House in 2014. They have no guts, no juice and no ability to lead.


22 posted on 02/14/2013 6:23:37 PM PST by AdaGray (squi)
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To: laweeks
The TEAParty is simply a recent assertion of interest by the old Whig faction ~ they jumped on top after Taft and held on until FDR. The Conservative Taft faction, which held sway before Teddy Roosevelt's perfidy, never recovered the Presidency until Ronald Reagan.

Although you might imagine it would be good to have the Whigs back, they blew it big time back in the 1850s, and then again in the 1930s.

The Whig faction cannot properly govern without the support of a Conservative faction, and BTW, it's our turn again for the Presidency! Bring on someone charismatic, charming and intelligent. Another graysuited drone just won't cut it.

23 posted on 02/14/2013 6:24:24 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Jane Long

If you send them one dollar it costs them more than that dollar to process it and send you a thank you letter. I like that little dig for the Democrat party.


24 posted on 02/14/2013 6:24:52 PM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE www.fee.org/library/books/economics-in-one-lesson)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Don't want the party breaking in two? Stop trying to appeal to democrats.

Simple.

25 posted on 02/14/2013 6:31:14 PM PST by skeeter
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The DemocRATS are living in the Stalin/Lenin Zone and they aren’t having any problems raising money. The morons running the GOP believe that they have to be middle of da road “moderates” to get people to like them. Morons. The only thing in the middle of the road are yellow stripes and dead skunks.


26 posted on 02/14/2013 6:32:07 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Now Playing. Obama II - The Revenge of My Father.)
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To: skeeter

The parasite class will never get this. We have to throw them out, and launch a hostile takeover.


27 posted on 02/14/2013 6:34:18 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: AdaGray

I agree with all that you state. HOWEVER-
Ron Fournier is the enemy and stirring up ****.


28 posted on 02/14/2013 6:34:18 PM PST by slapshot ("Were not gonna take it anymore" Twisted Sister)
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To: AdaGray

I agree with all that you state. HOWEVER-
Ron Fournier is the enemy and stirring up ****.


29 posted on 02/14/2013 6:34:37 PM PST by slapshot ("Were not gonna take it anymore" Twisted Sister)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yep. No more Doles. Tell the RNC-e to recruit a Reagan type candidate that can communicate well and presto ... bit tent Republican Party re-emerges with grass-roots support. It’s not that complicated once you have a qualified candidate.


30 posted on 02/14/2013 6:37:57 PM PST by plain talk
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Though I am an optimist, after the last election I am ,at least temporarily,cynical. Either way ,I truly believe that the largest majority of Republicans (”conservatives”), would switch their allegiance promptly if it meant more power and money for them and theirs. The same is true of the other side.


31 posted on 02/14/2013 6:39:35 PM PST by rsobin
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I no longer consider myself a Republican. I am a conservative.
I will not vote for Karl Rove’s next presidential pick.
I live in the district next to Boehner’s and I fervently hope they throw him out in 2014.


32 posted on 02/14/2013 6:40:33 PM PST by Wiser now (Socialism does not eliminate poverty, it guarantees it.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; KC_Lion; RedMDer

Sarah Palin or bust.
Waiting for her, Dr. Ben Carson and others to step forward.
TEA Party!


33 posted on 02/14/2013 6:43:27 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I like articles from http://www.nationalreview.com/


34 posted on 02/14/2013 6:44:38 PM PST by Bronzy
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
COULD?
35 posted on 02/14/2013 6:48:02 PM PST by Baynative (I'm reading a book about anti-gravity. I can't put it down.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Already Gone.
36 posted on 02/14/2013 6:48:31 PM PST by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: ConorMacNessa

“The Republican Party is irrelevant as far as I’m concerned. I left it after the debacle in November and registered as a Conservative. The GOP is full of a lot of flaccid appeasers who have long abandoned the core values of the party.”

Ditto. Gone after working for Reagan’s election and convention and enduring poor candidates ever since. I realized that not a single POTUS candidate I ever voted for in a primary won.

Gone rogue, gone Galt, gone international, gone independent. Gone.


37 posted on 02/14/2013 6:48:52 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Gone rogue, gone Galt, gone international, gone independent. Gone.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The bottom line is the demographics. There are a lot of good, well-documented articles on the topic ona website which is prohibited here at Free Republic, it’s called VDARE.COM, I invite readers to check it out for themselves.


38 posted on 02/14/2013 6:50:57 PM PST by River Hawk
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Let it split and the strong portion, the Tea Party portion, will survive. The GOP is like lukewarm milk. I’s disgusting. The RINO portion can not survive. Let’s get this over with and get Conservatism going again.


39 posted on 02/14/2013 6:53:51 PM PST by RIghtwardHo
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To: so_real

Hard to understand these people. They see what they are doing by fighting the Tea Party Consrvative movement and yet they continue to want to turn the Republican party into the left leaning moderates.

It isn’t the Tea party that is destroying the republican party it is the RINO’s who are democrats in drag.


40 posted on 02/14/2013 7:02:09 PM PST by Venturer
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To: slapshot
You are correct. The author of this piece, Ron Fournier, is a rabid, agenda-driven Marxist.

Something to keep in mind.

41 posted on 02/14/2013 7:04:14 PM PST by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

We can only hope! But I must say that these people ‘inside-the-loop’ are definitely slow learners.


42 posted on 02/14/2013 7:10:18 PM PST by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Learn three chords and you, too, can be a Rock Star!)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
There is no middle at all. Our political landscape is in the shape of a bi-modal saddle ~ which gives you two large poles each of which is composed of a large number of factions.

Our national parties, and their state affiliates, engage in a battle to pick up followers from the factions. Sometimes a large faction will shift from the Demos to the Reps, or vice versa. More frequently small factions do that without being noticed.

There is a fringe around the poles ~ virtually depopulated. it is not a middle filled with undecided voters.

43 posted on 02/14/2013 7:12:55 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; onyx; cripplecreek
And it would primary the Moderate Republicans Fault.

It's like a business partner who comes in every day and knee's you in the balls and yet criticizes you when you express your desire to leave stating that the rival company will gain the upper hand.

The Great Whig Party has Spoken!

They don't want Conservatives in their party and we don't want to stay.

Not after the way the Treat Sarah Palin(stupid!), Michele Bachmann(crazy!), etc etc etc etc

44 posted on 02/14/2013 7:16:59 PM PST by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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To: KC_Lion

Ya ever notice how much Millard looked like Alec Baldwin?


45 posted on 02/14/2013 7:20:30 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Republican consultant Scott Reed summed up the state of politics and his beloved GOP. “The party,” he told me, “is irrelevant.”

Scott Reed a leader of the GOP? He's a joke.

46 posted on 02/14/2013 7:27:26 PM PST by Darren McCarty (If most people were more than keyboard warriors, we might have won the election)
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To: cripplecreek
Don't be so mean to Millard Fillmore Cripple.


47 posted on 02/14/2013 7:28:23 PM PST by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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To: cripplecreek
Much more importantly, the Carnival Cruise Ship Carnival Triumph LANDED and people are getting off.

I half way expected to see the local volunteer fire department out there hosing them down.

48 posted on 02/14/2013 7:29:19 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Hey dumbass elite Establishment Republican wing of the ruling political class!!!

Ever think about growing a pair of balls?? I don't remember ever seeing them split!

What a bunch of tools.

49 posted on 02/14/2013 7:37:03 PM PST by cashless (Obama told us he would side with Muslims if the political winds shifted in an ugly direction. Ready?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Well if we are going to split, let us do so right away.

Give us time to re-establish a base of real support, and start to organize for a take-over election.

Stay or go. But let us make up our minds quickly please.


50 posted on 02/14/2013 7:43:19 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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