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Three Reasons Conservatives are Losing the Battle for America
American Thinker ^ | February 24, 2013 | J. Paul Masko, III

Posted on 02/24/2013 9:28:50 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

1. The Electorate

The Republicans may as well stop their soul-searching and look at the reality of the Democrat electorate. In addition to those Republican voters who stayed home on Election Day, the hard-core (so-called) progressives, the inadequate Republican ground game, and those who pay little or no federal tax and are happy to elect those who promise to take larger sums from those who DO pay, there's a more profound and possibly intractable problem. From my countless discussions with Democrats/liberals, it seems clear that many, many voters - we will never be sure of their numbers - neither hear, nor are interested in hearing, the stance of conservatives or Republicans. I'm often incredulous at the self-satisfied political ignorance and gullibility of successful, otherwise high-functioning and intellectually curious Democrats. The range and depth of their ignorance regarding easily ascertainable facts is astounding ("No, President Obama has NOT increased the deficit: that's a lie! For your information, President Obama has spent less than any President in history!"); and many, in my experience, cite the New York Times as their irrefutable source of information, with phrases like: "The Times didn't mention it so it can't be true or relevant...."

For these people, it really doesn't matter what conservatives or Republicans think or say: they won't hear it! Republican positions are totally lost - unheard and meaningless - to a growing number of the electorate, including huge swaths of highly-educated and effective leaders in society. It would be understating the issue to note that the Republican/conservative "brand" has been sullied - but it begins to convey the nature of the problem: it's more accurate to say that the Republican/conservative brand has been effectively nullified for many people. For a growing number of voters, it doesn't matter what Republicans say...

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1 posted on 02/24/2013 9:28:58 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

As I have posted on many threads, I boil it down to two key elements, the media, and education from K thru Grad School.
The Communist do know how to turn a society into a Marxist state.
The abandonment of Communism in Russia and central Europe
has been forgotten now.
The leftist think that it is safe to bring it back, but now
in the USA with premier Obama, to make the USSA.


2 posted on 02/24/2013 9:49:55 PM PST by AlexW
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To: AlexW

Absolutely the K-12 publik edukashun system.

It would help if conservatives found a way to make the “national discourse” about something other than “tax cuts for the wealthy”


3 posted on 02/24/2013 9:57:33 PM PST by Aglooka ("I was out numbered 5-to-1, I got 4.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I have a liberal acquaintance from many years ago. In 1994, I showed her a taped news video of Al Gore making a complete idiot of himself before a group of Virginia high school kids. After the first 5 seconds of a 60 sec video, She turned her head away and refused to look and I also believe refused to hear.

The way liberals “reason” is that liberals are right, conservatives are wrong and all fact to the contrary are false inputs to be ignored and all fact confirming this are not to be questioned.


4 posted on 02/24/2013 10:01:53 PM PST by staytrue
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

America was lost when Ted Kennedy arranged for all six billion people on earth to move here.


5 posted on 02/24/2013 10:01:53 PM PST by The Toll
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To: The Toll

“America was lost when Ted Kennedy arranged for all six billion people on earth to move here.”

That may have been a problem but now, a lot of people don’t want to come and more than a few want to leave.


6 posted on 02/24/2013 10:04:09 PM PST by staytrue
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To: Aglooka
the pubs have no base....we've got the loud extreme right wingers who would rather have a dictator for life than vote for a moderate conservative family man...

so what you going to do?......I give up and just don't care anymore....

its each man/woman for themselves and frankly, it would be hard to team up with anyone who supported bamey by crucifying the opposition from the git go....those people can not be trusted....

so its done...its over.....

7 posted on 02/24/2013 10:13:34 PM PST by cherry
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The problem is that this has become a very stupid country.


8 posted on 02/24/2013 10:14:58 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

To point #1
The establishment handed us moderates such as Bob Dole and Mitt Romney and we lost.

They also handed us an enigma in George Bush. How we won the 1st time was astounding.

Better still, was the weirdness of John F’ing Kerry. If it weren’t for his public arrogance and his Loon wife He would have been president. But, that would have required a bit of tempered discipline.

Bottom line is ideas sell and doing anything one can to come off as agreeable is parsimonious to those you are trying to reach.

They make the mistake of trying to reach those who are self serving and looking to the gubmint for a hand out. Over and Over again.

Then there are True Believers. Everyone should be treated “fairly”. Yeah, right. KMA.

Only in their world can the down trodden being seen as being fairly, while those who are doing well enough to pay the taxes enabling handouts and preferential treatment are gored, pilloried and looted.

That’s right, theives steal from their pockets of anything they deem valuable and the lint on account of it being just right.

To the other two points in the premise: “Correct”.

The Jack Wagons are jacking with us and hijacking the nation for their diseased self serving avarice and envy.

The tax paying class are now the most under represented people in the land.


9 posted on 02/24/2013 10:21:15 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; All

#1 Renewing the virtue of this country in both the noting public and the folks running for and who are already in office...

#2 Truely believing the conservative position and message by candidates and incumbents...

#3 Winning the cultural battles instead of trying to win the political ones, turning election day into a moot point before the polls open...

The democrats have succeeded, and will continue to succceed on their positions on these 3 points until the republican party gets its leaderships head out of their arses and focuses on them, instead of dismissing the conservative movement and its base...

To which I believe the republican party will not do, because the leadership is now firmly entrenched into the moderate swing of the political pendulum...And doing what it can to disniss and relegate the conservative base into oblivion...


10 posted on 02/24/2013 10:29:45 PM PST by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: stevie_d_64

#1 ...”voting public”...

Muh speel cheeker didn’t werk...


11 posted on 02/24/2013 10:32:36 PM PST by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I am frankly bored by all this navel gazing on the part of conservatives/the GOP. Romney gathered 47ish percent of the vote. We lost a close election to an incumbent.

That said, while I know it has changed some, I wonder if the electorate has changed as much as people say? I wonder if there are a few percentage points of Elizabeth Warrens out there who are white leftists claiming to be in some group or another because it pays.

I wonder what percentage of the electorate would be viewed as white, if you just looked at them. I wonder how many white hispanics who would have called themselves white in say 1984, now identify themselves as hispanics.


12 posted on 02/24/2013 10:35:42 PM PST by JLS
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I find the article disturbing for a number of reasons. I’m not saying you’re wrong; I just think you offer little in the way of help or hope. And there is hope. Though many people have bought the liberal line, many more people still know how to think.

I see the problem conservatives have as one of courage. We fear what the media says about us and what educators say about conservatism, so we hide our opinions or try to water them down and make them more palatable.

I believe it’s time for conservatives to show some courage and fight the lies boldly. Liberals have the media and academics on their side but we have the truth. We need to speak the truth no matter how angry we make liberals. And when the media and academics try to tear us down, we need to respond with the same intensity with which we are attacked. When we are called racist, we must not be afraid to declare how offensive the charge is. When we are portrayed as the bad guys, we must demand proof that the liberal making the charge is right or demand an apology. And we must be relentless in our proclamation of the truth as well as quick to respond to lies.

It’s time to stop rolling over and playing dead. Call out the limo libs and don’t let up. Flood the press with demands for the truth. Stand up to ignorant college professors and don’t back down.

Now is the time for conservatives to be bold and courageous instead of wimpy.


13 posted on 02/24/2013 10:39:40 PM PST by truthczar2000 (All English translations are just that.)
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To: stevie_d_64
The democrats have succeeded, and will continue to succceed on their positions on these 3 points until the republican party gets its leaderships head out of their arses and focuses on them, instead of dismissing the conservative movement and its base...

What makes you think this will ever happen? The Republican party has never, in my political life [I'm 30], really worked for one of its party planks, any of them.
Abortion: still legal, no challenges to the propriety of the USSC invalidating state laws for most of the states on what should clearly be protected by the 10th Amendment. (There are credible experts claiming the Partial Birth Abortion ban was/is merely a "feel-good" measure, lacking any real substance.)
Fiscal Responsibility: The upward trend of the deficit, the refusal to cut entire federal agencies.
Government Accountability: hell just look how they rolled over for Fast & Furious, which is a clear case of: state-sponsored-terrorism, treaty violation, and commuting [unauthorized] acts of war.
The Second Amendment: When was the last time you heard serious talk about repealing the GCA or the NFA? (Plus that they claim the Assault Weapon Ban's demise as a credit irks me: the AWB had a sunset clause... meaning they literally had to do nothing.)
Better Taxes: Have you ever heard serious talk about going to a flat-rate no exception/exemption/credit system? [By their actions (esp. WRT the "Bush tax cuts") you'd think they were perfectly fine having such a convoluted/incomprehensible system.]

So why should any young [or old] conservative believe that the Republican party is suited to represent them?

14 posted on 02/24/2013 10:50:11 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

BTTT


15 posted on 02/24/2013 10:51:30 PM PST by Osage Orange (MOLON LAVE)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Time to get this government OUT
OUT OF OUR FACE
OUT OF OUR RELIGION
AND
OUT OF OUR POCKETBOOKS


16 posted on 02/24/2013 11:57:43 PM PST by mosesdapoet ("It's a sin to tell a lie", in telling others that , got me my nickname .Ex Chi" mechanic"ret)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Excellent article. The author is correct, IMO.


17 posted on 02/25/2013 12:23:36 AM PST by Girlene
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To: JLS

The election was not that close. Everyone has an opinion. More conservative less conservative stupid people ect ect. The math is easy on this one. It is demographics! Bush 41 pulled 61% of white vote and won 400 EV’s. Romney pulled 61% of the white vote and got crushed. Demographics are going to change toward Hispanic, Asian and AA for the forseable future. You either reach out and address there issues or cease being a national party. It is simple really. Should you not think that is the way to go I respect your opinion but expect to be in a dwindling minority for a long time. The math does not lie. Remember un-skewed polls was based on the flawed idea that the demographics of polling were wrong. Not only were they right but many pollsters still under sampled.


18 posted on 02/25/2013 12:38:05 AM PST by chopperjc
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To: staytrue; The Toll

Please
We imported a plethora of migrants of whom now over half are on public assistance

http://www.catholic.org/business/story.php?id=47228

Nearly all are minorities
And vote as such

I thought we had a few more elections till the inevitable
I was wrong
What is coming won’t be settled via votes


19 posted on 02/25/2013 12:38:05 AM PST by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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To: wardaddy

We are a democracy how else do you decide if not by voting?


20 posted on 02/25/2013 12:41:38 AM PST by chopperjc
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To: chopperjc

Politics by other means at some point

Unless Americans are willing to live with socialism and a tyranny of white liberals and grevious minorities.....mostly negative tax contributors

I do not see any point to your third rail of becoming more like the leftist minorities in order to remain relevant

In the short term the white vote is easiest to mine with a strong candidate

We may never know since we haven’t had one in 29 years


21 posted on 02/25/2013 1:00:12 AM PST by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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To: cherry

You got that right. Democrats do not turn on other democrats.
Republicans have ongoing infighting.

Socons hate fiscons.
Neocons hate socons.
Fiscons hate neocons.
Moderates hate conservatives.
Conservatives hate RINO’s.

Republicans deserve Barack Hussein Obama. Next will be 8 years of Hillary or some other high taxing, big spending democrat who will push for gays & lesbians on SCOTUS. We
deserve what we are getting.


22 posted on 02/25/2013 1:34:13 AM PST by entropy12 (The republic is doomed when people figure out they can get free stuff by voting democrats)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

the slackers, stoners, prevs, pedos, and derelicts in society are all voting dem

the teachers union insured they have no future. they must get govt assistance. if you’re voting against govt assistance, you lose their vote.

done


23 posted on 02/25/2013 1:53:35 AM PST by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: AlexW

The Republican Candidate is the ONLY reason we lost. Keep picking losers like Romney and we will continue to lose. That is the one and only reason.


24 posted on 02/25/2013 2:45:56 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: chopperjc
Respectfully, then how do you explain 2010? Further, demographics didn't shift that dramatically from 2004 to 2008 or 2012.

I agree that to be a national party the Republicans need to address issues that are reflective of changes in the electorate. That said, I also strongly feel that the Democrat base reflects a fair amount of racism, and you can't fix that by ‘addressing the issues’. A long-term strategy will require exactly what the Democrats did to Republicans: Paint them as extreme out of touch self-interested ideologues, create tension among factions within their voting block, and pick out the most extreme elements of their coalition and use them as the poster children for the Democratic party.

The long-term strategy also has to have a decades long component that targets the media and education system.

25 posted on 02/25/2013 2:56:37 AM PST by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: napscoordinator

When you let DEMOCRATS/COMMUNISTS select your candidate thru the ‘open primary’ process; you lose.


26 posted on 02/25/2013 2:58:34 AM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

We’ve passed the Mendoza line. This situation cannot be rectified until it first fails utterly and the pieces need to be picked up and reworked. The matter will continue to worsen until the money’s no good, the freight doesn’t move and hungry people are rioting. America is over and don’t give me that sunny day crap about winning over people to our position; you’re trying to talk Girl Scout values to crack whores. The American electorate is addicted to government cheese and won’t be talked out if it. Any electorate that thinks it’s axiomatic that health care is a right will never vote for someone who disagrees with them. When Rome fell the Romans had to read about it later. The US has already fallen and they’ll date the fall to 2008 or thereabouts, IMHO.

The left knows the rioting is coming; that’s why they want your guns. A group that murders hundreds of thousands of unborn every year doesn’t give a rats ass about 20 kids in Connecticut.


27 posted on 02/25/2013 3:00:22 AM PST by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

email received this a.m. ???dated 2099??

This general explains it all.

FRIENDS….THIS CAME FROM THE TOP……..PLEASE WATCH……
I’m not big on conspiracy theories but much of what this General says has happened.
Lt Gen Boykin was the commander of “Delta Force” and later commander of the US Army Special Operations Command. He is a true American hero.
A Bone Chilling video— PASS IT ON BEFORE IT IS BLOCKED
http://www.morningstartv.com/oak-initiative/marxism-
america


28 posted on 02/25/2013 3:00:49 AM PST by sodpoodle (Life is prickly - carry tweezers.)
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To: OneWingedShark

It is happening...The republicans are backing off the sequester issue days before it is to come into effect, right after a nice week long vacation for all of them...

That’s a win/win for the administration and the democrats...So I don’t know what else you would expect to see here...

Abortion, still legal...Yep...You do know that all the conservatives are wanting to do is turn back Roe v. Wade and allow the “states” to determine the practice legal/or to be funded by state funds if they so choose...

I don’t see the Supreme Court doing anything to upset the apple cart...Its been that way for a very long time, and even when it does opinion in our favor, it is always with some sort of moderate, face-saving clause that really negates the effectiveness of the ruling...Just my opinion...

Fiscal responsibility: again, the republicans fail to assert conservative principles because in a sense the republican party leadership and elected class are really moderates only interested in maintaining their positions of power, this is indicative of their lack of respect for conservative grassroots movements (i.e.: Tea Party)...

No one is going to do ANYTHING to reverse GCA or the NFA, that is a political third rail for anyone...And that is on them...The best thing about the whole gun control push after this last December...We still have our guns, and it is very unlikely we will give them up whn and if it is called for...I’m sure as hell not going to give them up, and I believe many folks I know will do the same...The government is not prepared for this resistance, regardless of the stories of massive ammunition purchases, I still like our numbers...

I have never illuded to nor do I believe the republican party IS ever going to get its act together...I was only stating what they should do, knowing that the leadership I know are not interested in allowing those of us who are inside the party to upset their little, feckless agendas...

Sometimes you still have to do things from the inside, and keep pounding that message till the cows come home...They are hedging their bets, on both sides of the political spectrum that we will not...

I would think it would be neat to prove them wrong, right???

Unless you have a third party thing some of us don’t know about...It’s got to be effective out of the gate, and for now, there is not a lot out there to abandon ship too...

Not that I wouldn’t...


29 posted on 02/25/2013 4:20:45 AM PST by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
("No, President Obama has NOT increased the deficit: that's a lie! For your information, President Obama has spent less than any President in history!");

I have a liberal/democRAT/marxist/socialist (sorry to be redundant) acquaintance say exactly that. So I said, let's go to the computer, and treasury.gov. She refused to even look at the data.

Besides the media, and the dnc, our schools are complicit in the spreading of this type propaganda.

5.56mm

30 posted on 02/25/2013 4:44:13 AM PST by M Kehoe
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To: muir_redwoods
We’ve passed the Mendoza line. This situation cannot be rectified until it first fails utterly and the pieces need to be picked up and reworked. The matter will continue to worsen until the money’s no good, the freight doesn’t move and hungry people are rioting. America is over and don’t give me that sunny day crap about winning over people to our position; you’re trying to talk Girl Scout values to crack whores. The American electorate is addicted to government cheese and won’t be talked out if it. Any electorate that thinks it’s axiomatic that health care is a right will never vote for someone who disagrees with them. When Rome fell the Romans had to read about it later. The US has already fallen and they’ll date the fall to 2008 or thereabouts, IMHO.

The left knows the rioting is coming; that’s why they want your guns. A group that murders hundreds of thousands of unborn every year doesn’t give a rats ass about 20 kids in Connecticut.

Exactly right and worthy of reposting.

31 posted on 02/25/2013 5:30:22 AM PST by EricT. (The Second Amendment is Tyrant Control.)
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To: OneWingedShark

You’re thirty too? Same deal. I got castigated for not voting for Romney. Don’t see the point in voting for RINOs. Cruz, on the other hand is excellent.


32 posted on 02/25/2013 5:44:40 AM PST by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: cherry

We also have a bunch of loud, abusive Rino bullies who blame others every time one of their candidates blows an election.


33 posted on 02/25/2013 5:52:05 AM PST by Luke21
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To: JCBreckenridge
You’re thirty too? Same deal. I got castigated for not voting for Romney.

Same here; I voted for Gary Johnson, one of my home-state's former governors because I knew he'd do a good job. (Did such a good job he left the state w/ a budget surplus, and got re-elected while the state was solidly democrat.)

Don’t see the point in voting for RINOs.

Me either, though these days I'm tempted to think that the RINOs are the real party and the general voting population are merely their vote-sheep to be sheared at their pleasure.

34 posted on 02/25/2013 6:55:11 AM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: stevie_d_64
Unless you have a third party thing some of us don’t know about...It’s got to be effective out of the gate, and for now, there is not a lot out there to abandon ship too...

This is true.

If I had the capital/manpower/political-clout I'd found "The American Ammo Party" -- partly to get a knee-jerk reaction from the political elite & news -- which would have two goals [and a sunset clause] for its platform: (1) repeal of ALL gun restricting laws, and (2) restoration of the legalization/illegalization of abortion to the states. [The first would necessarily cause a shift to more personal responsibility in the general population, the second would be entail a return to federalism from our current national leanings; the sunset clause would let the party dissolve after (a) it accomplished its goals or (2) was locked in a never ending battle.]

As an added incentive to joining I'd have "manufacture your own full-auto" parties on a standardized platform [kinda the next step to that open-source firearm project for 3D printers] because the ATF cannot regulate (ostensibly through taxes) manufacture of weapons that are never sold.

35 posted on 02/25/2013 7:12:57 AM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

2010? Off year elections. Nobody voted: chech the numbers. 90 million voted in 2010. In 2012 it was 129 million. 2008 was 131 million. For reference in 2006 96 million voted. Smaller elections can induce a wave. Can the republicans make in roads in 2014? Sure. Can they win in 2016? Doubtfull without the Dems stepping on themselves via scandal or some other nonsense. Again, all about demographics. Demographics have moved significantly. 2008 to 2012 shows minorities picking up close to 2% of the electorate. 2% of 130 million? That is right 2.6. In certain states obviously much higher percentage. Look at CA? Reagan won twice Bush won in 88. Since then and one of the propositions that was seen as racsist the Republican Party has ceased to exist there. The presidential race is no contest.

I have read the Dems want to make 2014 all about min wage. This is a bad fight politically. Funny thing about elections though is the electorate decides what it is about. In 2010 the Tea party emerged and captured the midterms. Looking at polling I have a hard time believing that wave will happen again.

There have been a lot of complaints here about the president being in perpetual campaign mode. I find it smart. He stopped after 2008 and got killed in 2010. I do not think you will see a 90 million turnout in 2014.


36 posted on 02/25/2013 7:28:22 AM PST by chopperjc
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The underlying assumption that leadership of the Republican Party is immune to “group-think” is wrong. They are not. They are willing participants, and as much as any other group have their hands over their ears to avoid hearing anything contrary to their world view.


37 posted on 02/25/2013 7:35:16 AM PST by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: chopperjc

I believe you have defined it.

Every year approx 2.5 million (mostly white, mostly 65% R voting) people die, and are replaced by (mostly minority, mostly “progressive” educated, 70% D voters).

The average 20-something knows far more about “global warming” than the US Constitution.


38 posted on 02/25/2013 7:35:16 AM PST by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: chopperjc

There is one small potential for improvement though.
A wise FReeper (can’t remember the name) mentioned that Dems may have declared victory and don’t even consider the opposition worthy of a contest anymore.

Which leads them to start infighting (Stalin’s purges)

(Feds prosecute “Chicago’s own” JJJr, NYT writes story ripping Elon Musk electric wondercar, CBS questions Baraq’s lack of press access, etc).

Only time will tell...


39 posted on 02/25/2013 7:41:08 AM PST by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: chopperjc

There is one small potential for improvement though.
A wise FReeper (can’t remember the name) mentioned that Dems may have declared victory and don’t even consider the opposition worthy of a contest anymore.

Which leads them to start infighting (Stalin’s purges)

(Feds prosecute “Chicago’s own” JJJr, NYT writes story ripping Elon Musk electric wondercar, CBS questions Baraq’s lack of press access, etc).

Only time will tell...


40 posted on 02/25/2013 7:41:22 AM PST by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: OneWingedShark

“I voted for Gary Johnson, one of my home-state’s former governors because I knew he’d do a good job. (Did such a good job he left the state w/ a budget surplus, and got re-elected while the state was solidly democrat.)”

I preferred Virgil Goode and the constitution party.


41 posted on 02/25/2013 7:51:23 AM PST by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: nascarnation

The average 20 something white person voted the same as the average 65+ something white person.


42 posted on 02/25/2013 7:52:53 AM PST by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: JCBreckenridge
> I preferred Virgil Goode and the constitution party.

I was going to vote for Goode or Hoefling before I saw Johnson was running; here's him touting American solutions and, you know, solving our problems rather than kicking them down the road.

43 posted on 02/25/2013 8:07:09 AM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: nascarnation

Time will make the demographics even worse. Yes Dems could implode and have scandals which could hurt them a cycle or two but the demographics march on.


44 posted on 02/25/2013 8:07:59 AM PST by chopperjc
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To: chopperjc
It's kind of ironic that we are talking about elections being un-winnable because of the minority vote. By definition it is the ‘minority’ vote. That means even without changing Republican appeal with minorities (which I really don't think is impossible and could happen if approached correctly) Republicans could win by appealing to those in the non-minority demographic.

Actually, the fact that we are having this debate is very, very sad and speaks more about the problems in the US than our current economic situation. When identity politics, based on race, is the deciding factor you have big problems as a country.

45 posted on 02/25/2013 8:10:48 AM PST by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

You are correct, but as long as 50% of white women in this country hate “old dead white guys” as much as the Black Panthers do, this “majority” is broken and will remain so.

White women must have their “victim” status REVOKED before any progress can be made.


46 posted on 02/25/2013 8:19:25 AM PST by The Toll
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To: napscoordinator

What is the last time you saw any democrat complaining their candidate was not acceptable?

We republicans deserve Barack Hussein Obama to screw us for 4 more years.

Keep on the in-fighting and we will have to suffer through 8 more years of Hillary.

They will appoint the next 3 or 4 SCOTUS justices and then we will screwed for 30 more years.

Great strategy napscoordinator....keep blaming the nominee who is not pure to your liking. I hope you are enjoying the job on you by Obama. I am not.


47 posted on 02/25/2013 10:16:10 AM PST by entropy12 (The republic is doomed when people figure out they can get free stuff by voting democrats)
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To: OneWingedShark

Then you asked for it and deserve the job Obama is doing on you.


48 posted on 02/25/2013 10:19:35 AM PST by entropy12 (The republic is doomed when people figure out they can get free stuff by voting democrats)
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

I am not going to disagree with your comment, but I would also point out that’s what America has always been. The great melting pot. I have always thought that is what makes us great. Freedom for all races creeds colors religion.
History shows us how different minorities were initially ostrisized than accepted. Our politics have showed those who adapt win.


49 posted on 02/25/2013 10:39:51 AM PST by chopperjc
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“Our politics have showed those who adapt win.”

I agree with that, and embrace wholeheartedly the ‘melting pot’. The problem is that when >90% of any group or demographic votes for the same candidate because of identity politics, you can’t adapt to that because it’s more about racism and bias than it is about policy or principles.


50 posted on 02/25/2013 10:51:18 AM PST by pieceofthepuzzle
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