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Do conservatives even want to win? (Grab a bucket)
Yahoo! News / The Week ^ | March 25, 2013 | Joe Gandelman

Posted on 03/25/2013 6:52:01 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Karl Rove and Reince Priebus clearly do. And then there's Rush Limbaugh and Sarah Palin... Is it time to remake the old movie Death Wish — this time starring conservative Republicans who seem to think polls are wrong and that America really loves them and hates Barack Obama?

This is not a joke. Whether conservatives even want to win is a serious question in light of the reaction to the Republican National Committee's brutally honest "autopsy" on why the party lost the 2012 presidential election. The RNC concluded that the party should change such things as the number of primaries, its image among minority voters, its positions on immigration reform, its ground game — and become less "scary" to voters. It all amounts to this: At least look more moderate. But "moderate" remains one of the filthiest words in the Republican Party, and the feeling is kinda mutual: Moderates voted for Obama in droves.

Indeed, many conservatives are rejecting the RNC's tough-love report faster than Michele Bachmann running away from a reporter. And it makes you wonder: What are they thinking?

The GOP is divided into two factions symbolized by what New York's Dan Amira calls "the world's worst investor, Karl Rove, and the world's worst vice-presidential candidate, Sarah Palin." Rove, an establishment figure and Bush family stalwart, wants to win. Palin, darling of the Tea Party, the grassroots, and talk-show fans, wants purity — which she believes will bring victory.

It's déjà vu all over again: The Goldwater Republicans in 1964 and the McGovern Democrats in 1972. Both groups later tempered their rough edges and became more influential in their parties. But first they clung to extreme platforms far outside the mainstream of American politics. And they lost badly........

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Issues; Parties; Polls
KEYWORDS: 2016; gop; karlrove; palin; republicans; rushlimbaugh; sarahpalin; talkradio
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1 posted on 03/25/2013 6:52:01 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Republicans don’t. Conservatives do.


2 posted on 03/25/2013 6:53:12 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: GeronL

Correct Response! and so true...


3 posted on 03/25/2013 6:54:11 PM PDT by Deagle (quo)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Don’t expect salvation from politics. I see a bigger picture.


4 posted on 03/25/2013 6:54:12 PM PDT by DManA
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It’s from Yahoo. What do you expect?


5 posted on 03/25/2013 6:55:01 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I dunno, cannot tell anymore.

On one hand we like Sarah, and several promising rising conservatives.

On the other, we continue to send American business to our biggest rising adversary.

Wake up Americans. We must stop building up China. Bring back US industry, and compete.

Now.


6 posted on 03/25/2013 6:55:25 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Viennacon
It's really from The Week where Bob Schrum and a posse of other losers hang out.
7 posted on 03/25/2013 6:56:08 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Believe it or not, US manufacturing has never been bigger, it’s just that we’ve automated so much that many fewer human beings are needed as workers than in 1955.


8 posted on 03/25/2013 6:58:32 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Bob Schrum....... ugh....


9 posted on 03/25/2013 7:00:21 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Absolutely no offense, but I don’t buy that at all.

China is taking our place.

And they’re doing so, while taking our jobs.

Time to turn around, and start doing it right back. For 30 years now we have been exporting American jobs.

Stop it now.


10 posted on 03/25/2013 7:00:37 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I wish Boener and the Republicans would go ahead and force default. We need to get this over with. The longer it goes on the worse it will be. Economically, the nation is already ruined. We can’t pay back the money we owe and we can’t continue spending borrowed money. The regulations in place restrict economic growth, so revenue is handicapped to tax rates.....

We are screwed. The horse left the barn. Like many corporations, our fate is sealed. We’re just going to continue walking to the end of this plank.

We have 50% dependent on government in some form (by employ or by entitlement) and/or not paying taxes. There are only about 40% of truly economically independent Americans left. How do you convince people to vote themselves an economic demotion?


11 posted on 03/25/2013 7:01:19 PM PDT by Tenacious 1 ("The British are Coming (to confiscate weapons)" - Paul Revere (We know how that ended))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Joe, Rove a Priebus aren’t conservatives! They are RINOS. Conservatives DO want to win. RINO’s are just Democrat lite.


12 posted on 03/25/2013 7:02:30 PM PDT by Castigar
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

China’s labor costs will soon be higher than the US.


13 posted on 03/25/2013 7:03:59 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; Viennacon; Cringing Negativism Network; GeronL
Karl Rove and Reince Priebus clearly do. And then there's Rush Limbaugh and Sarah Palin... Is it time to remake the old movie Death Wish — this time starring conservative Republicans who seem to think polls are wrong and that America really loves them and hates Barack Obama?

Bob Schrum....... ugh....

Right, Bob Scum couldn't tell a political situation if his life depended on it.

Rush and Sarah are living in his head rent free!

And it is quite roomy!


14 posted on 03/25/2013 7:06:06 PM PDT by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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To: GeronL

real proper true conservatives want to win and work to win as opposed to the half baked elitist establishemt which thinks that us the base should just get in line and follow the likes of Rove while they appear more like the Dem party and push communist agendas like homosexuality and then even the idiots let in non republicans like Paul to spout their crap telling us we have to change\\\

Sarah, Cruz, Lee, Col West, Michelle Bachmann and seeing as I mentioned her then yes she walked away due to an idiot so caleld journalist who thinks asking about dog walkers is more important than asking about Libya to the admin.

They and others are the future regardless of how the media portarys them and if they are portaryed in a bad manner then it;s because the left is running afriad of them


15 posted on 03/25/2013 7:07:48 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

The U.S.A. Is Still the World’s Largest Manufacturer
http://mjperry.blogspot.com/2009/10/us-still-worlds-largest-manufacturer.html

Is Decline of U.S. Manufacturing Exaggerated?
http://www.rickackerman.com/2009/12/is-decline-of-u-s-manufacturing-exaggerated/

No, Virginia, US Manufacturing Isn’t Dead
http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2010020825/no-virginia-us-manufacturing-isnt-dead


16 posted on 03/25/2013 7:07:51 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Many “conservatives” want to be moderate and call it the conservative thing to do.

Proof? Romney supporters on conservative sites. They want the ‘win’ but not what it takes to win with a conservative. They trash Palin and sided with the GOP over the Akin fiasco.


17 posted on 03/25/2013 7:09:12 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I believe China has now surpassed America and is the world’s biggest exporter.

Let me say that once more, and make the point. China currently is the world’s biggest exporter.

We are the world’s biggest importer.

At current trends, that will also collapse by the 2016 election.

We must reverse course, now.


18 posted on 03/25/2013 7:10:40 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Tenacious 1

here is the mistake the GOP make, they only ever talk about taxes , debt and fiscal issues and then ignore social issues like what is going on right now.

If the GOP want to push a communist agenda like homo marriage and ignore all other aspects of life , drugs , sex, no age of consent and how other live then they will always lose and might as well be a liberal tarian or a far left loon.

Dont have to mention religion but mention what is right and how things do work for children


19 posted on 03/25/2013 7:10:54 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: JCBreckenridge; All
Obama is burdening U.S. businesses with too many regulations , taxes ,EPA , FDA, Obmacare etc.

The result it U.S. living off of just debt

16 trillion $ in just federal government debt

56 trillion $ in Total debt including federal gov debt and that doesn't include mortgages. who thinks this won't lead to collapse?If the U.S. was really producing so much then why do we need to borrow so many trillion of $ . if you needed to borrow so much and you were a small business would you be doing so hot?

The news media lies and demonizes Republicans and Palin . we are living in the matrix created by the liberal/socialist news media

20 posted on 03/25/2013 7:11:36 PM PDT by Democrat_media (media makes mass shooters household names to create more & take our guns)
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To: JCBreckenridge
China’s labor costs will soon be higher than the US.

Bull.

21 posted on 03/25/2013 7:13:25 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If we gave away our manufacturing base to China for cheap labor, does a Chinese robot work cheaper than a US robot?


22 posted on 03/25/2013 7:14:49 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Norm Lenhart

exactly
I see this on many threads even on here.
How they tell conservatives to shut up about life, how marriage is, what is best for a child what is going on with the media and schools.

I;ts those kind of RINOs which need to be slammed out and let conservatives like Sarah, Col West,Ryan Lee etc take this party to what it should be.
They;re all from differnet backgrounds, differnet areas, class race etc

The old elitist establishment like Peggy Noonan, M Hoover, Rove, Hume, Krauthammer, and the other snotty nosed elitist fools which ignore the base all the time need to get it into their heads and shut the hell up.

The likes of Sarah, Col West etc etc speak up and thta is why the elft attacks them so much and that is why if they had support we would not have this crap like this wek over marriage being forced onto us


23 posted on 03/25/2013 7:15:19 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: central_va

evenon here some so called republicans ignore social issues because all they care about is their own pockets and their liberal pals

Either Sarah and others make a new party or this country has gone and time for a new country to set up based on the principles of the founding fathers not based on communism like homo marriage.
That also goes for the military and to hell with the likes of MA and other states telling us how to live, what to be taught, what marriage is etc


24 posted on 03/25/2013 7:17:42 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The news media lies and demonizes Republicans and demonizes Palin . we are living in a false reality ( the matrix) created by the liberal/socialist news media


25 posted on 03/25/2013 7:19:15 PM PDT by Democrat_media (media makes mass shooters household names to create more & take our guns)
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To: manc

When psuedoconservatives infesting the conservative websites are put in their place by the actual principled conservatives on those forums, we have a shot at making progress.

As long as they run wild and spread their GOP modeled BS unopposed, we get what we deserve because of our inaction.


26 posted on 03/25/2013 7:19:55 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
This is not a joke.

Coulda fooled me!!! {^)

27 posted on 03/25/2013 7:23:53 PM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: Norm Lenhart

just been on a thread where Paul is sonding off which sounds good but has no idea how to replace like the IRS etc.
The names of freepers there is very different to the usual freepers I see around and many I have not seen.

Even a couple of digs at conservarives off a couple of them

What I don;t get is how they come on ehre, come into tthis party and act like little children wanting all of us to change to suit them and then they stay silent on conservative issues until they find a thread which they agree on like their own pockets.

Either they are that thick and cannot graps that even the communists wanted certain laws passed which they want or they are wanting to infiltrate our party and pretend they are us because of their own ego’s and being said what a great person you are all their lives off mom and dad


28 posted on 03/25/2013 7:27:41 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
in light of the reaction to the Republican National Committee's brutally honest "autopsy" on why the party lost the 2012 presidential election...

ROFLPIMPWTIME!

Is this "writer" effing SERIOUS??!!

29 posted on 03/25/2013 7:29:33 PM PDT by sauropod (I will not comply)
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To: central_va

The Chinese are not at the point where robots make a lot of sense. They have 2 billion people who’ll work for not much more than three hots and a cot.


30 posted on 03/25/2013 7:31:11 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: manc

Many are sent here and are dyed in the wool dems with an agenda. Some like being in the club or being seen as in the club. Others really are idiots that think that you really do move the country right by supporting leftist candidates.

It varies.


31 posted on 03/25/2013 7:34:42 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Democrat_media

America 2013 certainly seems like some kind of dystopian sci-fi novel, in which everything has been turned upside-down... good is evil and evil is good... virtue is immoral and immorality is virtuous... a “matrix” comprised of big media, big government, and big business enforces the whole sick order, feeding false narratives (Palin stupid! Palin evil!) and keeping the drones in line. A mirror universe of what was once the greatest country and civilization to ever exist. Seems right out of some musty old science-fiction pulp magazine.


32 posted on 03/25/2013 7:35:01 PM PDT by greene66
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To: Norm Lenhart

very good points, I;ve often wondered why these liberals and liberal tarians find sites lie this and pretend to be conservatives and then only post in threads which pertain to be fiscal or drugs being legal or even one saying once that age of consent should be done away like don;t ask and another who said who cares if you marry your dog or sister


33 posted on 03/25/2013 7:37:39 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: greene66

the rules for communists back ion 63 stated they push homosexuality, infiltrate the parties and take the media over

Oh wait they have done that and for those liberal tarians which always use the bumper sticker of Govt out of it shoudl either wake up and know they are helping a communist agenda or piss off as their masks are slipping


34 posted on 03/25/2013 7:39:22 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: sauropod; KC_Lion; Finny; onyx

Joe Gandelman (Founder and Editor-in-Chief of The Moderate Voice) spent many years as a freelance writer overseas and as a full-time reporter on the staffs of two newspapers in the United States — and as a professional ventriloquist across America.

Gandelman interned as a journalist on The Hindustan Times in New Delhi, and wrote and/or worked for many newspapers including the Chicago Daily News, the Wichita Eagle-Beacon, the San Diego Union-Tribune, and the Christian Science Monitor. His work has appeared on National Public Radio’s “All Things Considered,” and in the Argus South African Newspapers, Baltimore Sun, Miami Herald, Winnipeg (Canada) Free Press , Sydney Morning Herald (Australia), Aftenposten (Norway), and Haaretz (Israel), among others. Gandelman was awarded his Baccalaureate Degree in Political Science from Colgate University, and his Masters in Journalism is from Northwestern University’s Medill School of Journalism. He performs as a ventriloquist across the country and is included in the nationally-distributed The Great Ventriloquists trading cards.

He has appeared on political news show panels on MSNBC and CNN. CNN’s John Avlon named him as one of the top 25 Centrists Columnists and Commentators. He writes a weekly political column that is syndicated nationally by Cagle Cartoons.


35 posted on 03/25/2013 7:41:14 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

In 1964 the Goldwater Republicans went head-to-head with the moderate NE Rockefeller Republicans. How can anyone attempt to compare the 1964 internal struggle in the GOP with the inept liberal Democrat implosion of 1972.


36 posted on 03/25/2013 7:48:18 PM PDT by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

how about conservatives take Texas and any contiguous states that want to come along... and the left can have the rest?

then you can have all your feel good bs while bankrupting yourself.... and we’ll be arming up for when you try to take what we’ve created


37 posted on 03/25/2013 7:48:33 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

The US slipped to second in manufacturing for the first time, in 2011.


38 posted on 03/25/2013 7:59:36 PM PDT by ansel12 (" I would not be in the United States Senate if it wasnt for Sarah Palin " Cruz said.)
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39 posted on 03/25/2013 8:01:23 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network; All
On the other, we continue to send American business to our biggest rising adversary.

WHY? Why are "we" in a place where regular Americans can only afford to buy things from China?

It isn't because of Democrats or Republicans. It's because of leviathan, boa constrictor GOVERNMENT. The reason Americans aren't manufacturing those things here is because government has essentially outlawed it.

A minority has frauded and cheated and methocically gripped control of government in the Democrat party over the decades. Americans on balance are moral, productive people and those who believe otherwise are by definition LOSERS. So the author of this piece begins as a loser.

Change starts at the ballot box -- and that starts by protecting the franchise with monitoring and ID checks. No more "early voting" and multiple voting, vote ginning, vote harvesting, vote bribing. The portrait that the MSM holds up to America is tilted way, way to the left. Most Americans -- especially most Americans who aren't dependent on government handouts for basic needs, which are the ONLY Americans who should be voting -- would rather the government get back in its cage.

The only way to bring back industry, the only way to lower gas and energy and food prices, the only way to increase prosperity and increase jobs, is to CUT GOVERNMENT and return freedom to individuals with minimum government oversight. Stop outlawing farming, and fishing, and food production, and oil drilling and manufacturing and employing teens. Stop making businesses go broke having to comply with some 100 percent wasteful code requirement and tax burden and paperwork. It's disgusting the amount of pure genius and joy that the government strangles in America.

Social conservatives, understand that your morality -- MY morality, a Christian morality, the foundation of our nation -- is best served by supporting the small l libertarian ethic: government OUT. Without the government, ours would be a much more moral nation -- it woudln't be perfect, but it would be freer, more prosperous, and more MORAL. Right now, American government is the primary source and nourisher of moral decay. Insidiously and evilly it has seized the crucial moral concept of charity, takes taxes to fund it, and taken it over to encourage sloth and envy. Moral decay via government because it claims the moral right to punish landlords, business owners and groups simply for refusing to do business with what they deem immoral, such as openly homosexual folks and those who escehew marriage. Government is feeder of moral decay, one thousand times more than pop culture and Hollywood and video games and social media -- the BIGGEST contributor is Government. Just giving it power at all, has made it so now people are forced to be accessories to murder in the form of tax-funded or subsidized abortion.

Social conservatives, understand why the great Thomas Sowell identifies with the libertarian ideal. Your best hedge against immoral forces is to push for LESS GOVERNMENT. This piece is Exhibit No. 1 as to why the Republican and Democrat parties are both the enemy.

40 posted on 03/25/2013 8:09:00 PM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I never heard of this simpleton, Joe Gandelman. But hey, it’s America - - he can voice his opinion.


41 posted on 03/25/2013 8:13:40 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Joe Gandelman - Founder and Editor-in-Chief of The Moderate Voice

An Internet hub for centrists, independents and moderates with domestic and international news, analysis, original reporting and popular features from the left, center and right.

Revelation 3:16

King James Version (KJV)

16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.


42 posted on 03/25/2013 8:29:14 PM PDT by Bratch
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To: central_va

It will happen. The average Chinese person is just about the same age as the average American. There are more Americans as a percentage of the population under 30 than Chinese folks under 30.


43 posted on 03/25/2013 9:25:29 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: Democrat_media

I agree - however, Americans by and large are much more efficient than the Chinese folks.


44 posted on 03/25/2013 9:26:29 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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[manc:] communist agendas like homosexuality

No communist government ever had a pro-homosexual policy. Words mean things.

45 posted on 03/26/2013 7:30:00 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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[manc:] If the GOP want to push a communist agenda like homo marriage and ignore all other aspects of life , drugs , sex,

Yes, we should have a War on Sex to go with our wildly successful War on Drugs.

no age of consent and how other live

Government telling others how to live is Bloomberg Republicanism, not conservatism.

46 posted on 03/26/2013 7:35:15 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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