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Should the GOP dump social issues?
The Laura Ingraham Show ^ | March 31, 2013 | Laura Ingraham

Posted on 03/31/2013 10:26:22 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Recently reporter Thomas Edsall - who has spent most of the last 30 years covering politics for the Washington Post and the New Republic - had some advice for the GOP. He draws upon some recent polling data to argue that "the Republican Party can afford to marginalize . . . Christian right leaders because evangelical social conservatives . . . are not going to vote Democratic." Thus, he reasons that Republicans can, as he puts it, "concede defeat in the culture war" in the hopes of picking up more socially liberal voters.

Mr. Edsall might want to check with Governor Mike Huckabee, who knows a thing or two about evangelical voters. Huckabee suggested that evangelicals will "take a walk" from the GOP if the party supports gay marriage. He might also want to consider the 1996 Presidential election, when Bill Clinton carried red states such as Kentucky, Tennessee, West Virginia, Missouri, and Louisiana.

President Clinton's wife is the likely Democratic nominee in 2016, and it's safe to say that the Clintons - with their deep roots in Arkansas - know how to reach evangelical voters, especially if the GOP acts like it doesn't want them. I would also note that in both 2008 and 2012, the GOP did nominate Presidential candidates who were not popular with social conservatives - and those candidates fared poorly in the fall campaign. Next time around, conservative voters might just stay home, or throw their support to a democrat who they see as more sympathetic to the middle class. But, of course, the question of what sort of culture our children are going to inherit is a lot more important than the results of any one election.

The social issues are not merely a political football...

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TOPICS: Arkansas; Issues; Parties; Polls
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1 posted on 03/31/2013 10:26:23 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I thought they already had.


2 posted on 03/31/2013 10:32:23 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (The GOP will never get another cent or vote from me. Thanks to the eight gangbangers.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Dumpe social issues?
hum?
Like life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.....sure why not, what good are they anyway.


3 posted on 03/31/2013 10:36:25 PM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This implies that they didn’t already dump them...not to mention every other type of issue.


4 posted on 03/31/2013 10:36:57 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

No! They should DEFINE them.


5 posted on 03/31/2013 10:37:59 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

and all those voters with them?


6 posted on 03/31/2013 10:41:04 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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Liberals keep moving the goal posts of what words mean.

Call them on it.


7 posted on 03/31/2013 10:41:11 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: svcw

its not like they are fiscally conservative either


8 posted on 03/31/2013 10:42:45 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; Jim Robinson

//the Republican Party can afford to marginalize . . . Christian right leaders because evangelical social conservatives . . . are not going to vote Democratic.” //

Newsflash...some of us don’t vote Republican anymore either.

They dumped us a long time ago, Romney was the last straw. It is time to dump them for a CONSERVATIVE party and let them go the way of the whigs.

I am a Christian first, a conservative second, and left the GOP and joined the Constitution party.


9 posted on 03/31/2013 10:57:47 PM PDT by reaganaut (Kyrie eleison...Christe eleison...Kyrie eleison)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Hell NO!


10 posted on 03/31/2013 11:00:56 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Should the GOP keep selling out . . . ? What’s left to sell? They’ve all but signed their souls on the infernal dotted line in their own blood.


11 posted on 03/31/2013 11:04:20 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Absolutely NOT!!!


12 posted on 03/31/2013 11:12:39 PM PDT by tallyhoe
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Conservatives should, at the federal level, go back to defending the constitution. Period.

The "social issues" would be properly addressed if "conservatives" would quit voting for statism and collectivism at the federal level. Look where were are now - about 3 X the global GDP in debt - $150+ TRILLION and counting.

Run for office or elect conservatives at the state and local level where social issues can be lawfully addressed.

13 posted on 03/31/2013 11:15:18 PM PDT by uncommonsense (Conservatives believe what they see; Liberals see what they believe.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The GOP should focus on the budget and related economic issues. The cost of government is leading to many social ills.

But, the GOP will not focus on the budget and related economic issues because they are pigs at the trough not interested the least in reducing the size of government.


14 posted on 03/31/2013 11:39:46 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

i don’t care , i am done with ‘em as a whole. until rino leadership is gone and conservatives run it, i’m done with em as a group.


15 posted on 03/31/2013 11:43:24 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

PELLEY: Well, the platform as written at this convention for the Republicans does not allow for exceptions on abortion with regard to the health of the mother or rape or incest. Is that where you are?

ROMNEY: No. My position has been clear throughout this campaign. I’m in favor of abortion being legal in the case of rape and incest, and the health and life of the mother.


16 posted on 04/01/2013 12:24:30 AM PDT by ansel12 (The lefts most effective quote-I'm libertarian on social issues, but conservative on economics.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Should the GOP dump social issues?
***Speaking as a socon, they already have. The GOP is on the same road the Whigs were on when the Republican party was formed. How many Whigs do you know today? The GOP is similarly doomed.

From my home page...

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I’m a big tent republican.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1821435/posts?page=18455
Here’s an analogy to work with. Take a small box and fill it with some rocks. Then add some rice, filling it to the top. Now take all the same stuff, but in a different order. Put in the rice first, then add the rocks. What you’ll find is that if you put in the big stuff first, the small stuff will fit around it. But if you put in the small stuff first, the big stuff won’t have room. The republican tent is the box. The Big issues are the socon issues, to be put in first. The little issues are things that can be accommodated around the bigger stuff. A candidate who tries to focus on the smaller issues first and leave out the bigger issues has no way of getting all of us into the tent. He splits the party. The candidate who gets the big stuff right and as much of the little stuff that will fit, he can fit more into the tent. We’re often amazed at how much rice can keep fitting in. Folks such as Rudy or Romney flunk some of the big issues, and on some of the little issues it looks to me like anyone else’s rice would do just as well. All that remains for us to agree on is which are the bedrock principles and which are not. Why would there be so much invective aimed at rudy or romney from the right? Because there are some bedrock principles that he is leaving out. Bad move. I see rudybot and romneybot postings all the time saying that they would vote for Hunter or Palin, and I see socon postings that say they would not vote for rudy or romney. That’s a BIG indicator of a few bedrock principles that are being left outside the tent in order to let in some rice.

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17 posted on 04/01/2013 12:24:59 AM PDT by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Should the GOP dump social issues?

"What difference does it make?"


18 posted on 04/01/2013 12:38:00 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Only if they wish to win women’s votes.


19 posted on 04/01/2013 12:40:17 AM PDT by entropy12 (The republic is doomed cuz people have figured out they can get free stuff by voting democrats)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Should the GOP dump social issues?

The GOP doesn't have to dump social issues; they just need people who can argue their case like mature adults.

If the social issues had been debated from a constitutional perspective, the culture war would have been won forty years ago. The right to life would have been preserved as a 4th Amendment guarantee. Ditto the other blatant abuses of Amendments 1, 2, 4, 5, 9, and 10.

20 posted on 04/01/2013 1:03:10 AM PDT by meadsjn
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The GOP doesn’t even stand up for the constitution. The GOP is statist pure and simple.

However, conservatives should drop the marriage thing; we’ve lost. We let them control the verbiage and they got us. Gay marriage is out of the tube and no one is getting it back in. It’s a question of when.

We have a real chance with abortion. If diversity is to be praised, then we need to consider the human rights of the old and the very young on the same level. Grandpa might not be convenient when he’s got alzheimers and the kids are busy with their own families. A baby on the way when you’re not married etc is also not convenient. But they both have rights.

We need to fight more for religious freedom for Christians. Jews and Muslims enjoy a certain deference for their religions in USA public life. Christians do not. At my local mall, a “White Rabbit” came for the last few weekends. Gd forbid they call him an Easter bunny. Passover is allowed to speak its name: no one calls it Flat Cracker Week. During Ramadan no one has to say The One Where We Eat Only After Sundown. But we have Holiday Trees and White Rabbits so as not to offend non Christians with the actual names of their holiday.

Sme of these social issues are pure freedom issues and we need to keep fighting for them.

Lifestyle choice is freedom. If people can marry anyone they like, then people should also be free to homeschool, to raise their children in any religion, and to refuse medical treatment or eat weird things.

It’s all about the constitution. Liberty.


21 posted on 04/01/2013 1:08:49 AM PDT by Yaelle
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

You destroy Virtue, you collapse civil society.

“Free Republics need to promote public Virtue.” (Montesquieu). The only purpose for “education” is to teach Virtue (all Founders and goes back to Socrates).

Sex Ed in public schools is destroying the morality of children. Google Lukacs and how he collapsed Hungary with Sex Ed.

All economic disasters come from a immoral society-—you can’t have an flourishing economy if there is no trust.

That is why the Marxists try to group everyone and make them hate each other. Fear is essential to totalitarian society. (Montesquieu).

That aside. You can’t promote Vice-—it corrupts the next generation.\
All Marxism promotes Vice-—so we need a police state.


22 posted on 04/01/2013 1:11:28 AM PDT by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: uncommonsense

Hey look! Another surrender conservative!

Some things are appropriate for the federal government to deal with. Should a child be a child in one state and not a child in another?


23 posted on 04/01/2013 2:01:03 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: Yaelle

“However, conservatives should drop the marriage thing; we’ve lost.”

Another Vichy Conservative! Gosh, it’s good we’re weeding them all out now!


24 posted on 04/01/2013 2:09:06 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
TRP 2013.03.22
Reform America? No. The Left wants to Deform America!

25 posted on 04/01/2013 2:39:05 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (Justifiable homicide.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
....Christian right leaders because evangelical social conservatives . . . are not going to vote Democratic...

No, might not vote Democrat, but might not just vote - at all. At some point, they're gonna start shooting instead of voting.

26 posted on 04/01/2013 3:03:19 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Berlin_Freeper
TRP 2013.03.22
27 posted on 04/01/2013 3:26:51 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (Justifiable homicide.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Liberals go to the Church of the Stinky Donut Hole...


28 posted on 04/01/2013 3:33:18 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood ("Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???")
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To: Yaelle

If the Supreme Court says that Obamacare is constitutional because of the taxing power of Congress, then DOMA is constitutional tax policy...


29 posted on 04/01/2013 3:35:24 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood ("Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
that "the Republican Party can afford to marginalize . . . Christian right leaders because evangelical social conservatives . . . are not going to vote Democratic."

That was the calculation they made with Romney and lost badly. Christian evangelicals won't vote for Democrats, but they won't vote for socially liberal Republicans either...they'll just stay home like last time. Same result---Rat win.

30 posted on 04/01/2013 4:20:37 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I think that people like Cruz and Palin will not let them.
Or the party may just have to split into the RINO Party and the Constitutional Republican Party - I just don't see traditional conservatives with any balls agreeing to "go along to get along".
31 posted on 04/01/2013 4:29:55 AM PDT by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Socially liberal atheist society are NEVER fiscally conservative. It is ridiculous to de-couple the social from the fiscal. The leftist are TRYING to produce a form of heaven on earth, play God so to speak. And that is a very expensive undertaking.


32 posted on 04/01/2013 4:36:46 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I meant to say: “Socially liberal atheistic societies are NEVER fiscally conservative.”


33 posted on 04/01/2013 4:39:52 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Party leaders want “liberal-lite”, conservatives want Reagan. So far, “liberal-lite” has lost two big ones in a row.


34 posted on 04/01/2013 4:47:21 AM PDT by meyer (When people fear the government, you have Tyranny)
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To: JCBreckenridge

I guess Rush Limbaugh is a Vichy conservative, too.


35 posted on 04/01/2013 5:12:19 AM PDT by EricT. (The Republican Party is a friend to conservatives the way Pakistan is an ally in the War On Terror.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

http://www.selfgovernment.us/about.html


36 posted on 04/01/2013 5:18:54 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Separate school and state, before it's too late!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Should they dump what forms the foundation of a good, free and moral society?

Only if they want complete disaster and defeat....


37 posted on 04/01/2013 5:24:18 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I say we should encourage them to go full Left so they can become part of the Dim Party and we can start a new one - the Conservative Independent Party.


38 posted on 04/01/2013 5:31:04 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I’m a conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

No evangelical I know of will vote for a Clinton.

However, plenty of evangelicals I know of have had it up to their back teeth with moderate to liberal Republican candidates and are ready to find, or support, a party which will embrace them. And no, it’s not Democrats.


39 posted on 04/01/2013 5:33:19 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Blather. Reince. Repeat.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Around 1978 or so a senior level economic adviser to Margaret Thatcher spoke at my university (Southern Baptist school). He said the ease and willingness with which Americans were retiring their elderly parents to nursing homes at the expense of the state rather than bringing them into their own homes and caring for them there was a moral failing.

My Southern Baptist friends recoiled at the idea as real sin seemed to be wrapped up in drinking, smoking, cussing and illicit sex.

Food for thought???

40 posted on 04/01/2013 6:04:34 AM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

They appear to be in the process of doing so. And if they do, I just stay home. There is no point in choosing between Democrats and Democrats who have Rs next to their name, contrary to what the GOP-E shills who post here think.


41 posted on 04/01/2013 6:21:11 AM PDT by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: EricT.

Hey if you want to quit and give up on marriage, absolutely.


42 posted on 04/01/2013 6:36:44 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: Timber Rattler

But, I thought it was the social conservatives who were responsible for the loss, like always. Are you sayin’ it ain’t so? /sarc


43 posted on 04/01/2013 6:38:32 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
More correctly, should conservatives dump the GOPee run by elite Beltway RINOs and RINO consultants? One word: YES. These Quislings have sold out Americans to the socialists and Marxists for far too long. Time for a purge.
44 posted on 04/01/2013 7:56:21 AM PDT by MasterGunner01
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Yes. I'm sick of this issue. It's not the point. It seems that every five minutes another pundit comes out with this advice, and then we end up with nominees like McCain and Romney, who are the worst imaginable from any perspective. As long as our primary system remains open in any state, we are not going to get the nominees that we want.

We have to fundamentally change the Republican primary process or we will continue to lose.

45 posted on 04/01/2013 8:06:04 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: reaganaut

How about a CONSTITUTIONAL party instead?

Conservative implies keeping the status quo, which, since 1910+ has grown and usurped more Rights than naught.

I too threw the level and $$ into the (C) and (L) parties.


46 posted on 04/01/2013 10:47:31 AM PDT by i_robot73 (We hold that all individuals have the Right to exercise sole dominion over their own lives - LP.org)
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To: JCBreckenridge
It's a crime in all 50 states to murder.

Federalism is a two edged sword that cuts in the direction of ever greater power and restricting liberty - not protecting it.

Keep feeding the beast. I'm done with it. My mother had a saying - "hope in on hand and Sh-- in the other and see which one gets filled first" I guess you haven't had your fill of sh-- yet...

47 posted on 04/01/2013 12:26:11 PM PDT by uncommonsense (Conservatives believe what they see; Liberals see what they believe.)
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To: uncommonsense

But not unborn children. It’s a-ok in all 50 states to kill one.

That’s the point. If you don’t believe unborn children are actually people, you are going to side with ‘states rights’ on this issue.

Some things are the purview of the states - protecting the life of unborn children is not one of these.


48 posted on 04/01/2013 2:06:05 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If the GOP could get the economy right, and the size of government right, they wouldn’t have to worry about social issues.


49 posted on 04/01/2013 2:10:44 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: JCBreckenridge
"If you don’t believe unborn children are actually people, you are going to side with ‘states rights’ on this issue."

You have your facts backward. There are states which have implemented the most restrictive bans on abortion. That kind of momentum, especially when those states actually protect liberty versus your dream of relying on the Fedgov to uphold virtues, will turn the tide against tyranny. Your solution is a totally lost cause.

New Deal. New Society, New Federalism, compassionate consertativism - it's all the same thing from both parties - the idea of those in power trumps the constitution.

50 posted on 04/01/2013 5:29:20 PM PDT by uncommonsense (Conservatives believe what they see; Liberals see what they believe.)
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