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Senate cloture vote tells us one thing: the GOP as a national party is dead
Protein Wisdom ^ | April 11, 2013 | Jeff Goldstein

Posted on 04/21/2013 6:42:24 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

As some Newtown families, props being used by the very gun grabbers who have set up the kinds of gun-free shooting galleries in which their children were slain, held hands and prayed for more than 60 votes (having been flown in at taxpayer expense to lobby our representatives to take away our natural rights), it occurred to me that, with 16 Republicans voting that a debate on amending an unalienable right is perfectly in keeping with the Constitution, the Republican party then and there died. Went t*ts up. Ceased to be.

If John McCain and Lindsay Graham and Lamar Alexander are in your party — and carry much weight in that party — you are in the wrong party.

Those pictures of the Newtown parents are why we have an amendment process in the first place. It makes demagoguery difficult. It puts time and space between a ginned up mob and extensive deliberation, something that we no longer engage in — with at least one bill to be voted on not yet released to the public in legislative language.

So. I proposed this half-seriously back in 2008-9, but it’s now time to reintroduce it in earnest: the time has come for a third party. Now, that third party may lose, at least initially, but at least those who join it can point, laugh, and say I told you so. If we’re going to lose anyway — and at this point, a vote for either national party is a losing proposition — we may as well do so with our integrity intact.

Plus, those who join? We’ll know are, for the most part, our natural political allies.....

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TOPICS: Arizona; South Carolina; Tennessee; Issues; Parties; U.S. Senate
KEYWORDS: banglist; gop; gopcivilwar; guncontrol; linseedgrahamnesty; mccain; quaaludeicrous; republicans; rinos; secondamendment; teaparty; thirdparty
Agree? Disagree?

Palin/Cruz 2016

1 posted on 04/21/2013 6:42:24 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Agree.


2 posted on 04/21/2013 6:46:55 PM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
That bill is dead. They forced them to vote on an amendment that wouldn't pass. The main bill won't even get to the Senate floor.
3 posted on 04/21/2013 6:50:41 PM PDT by political1 (Love your neighbors)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Jeff misses the boat here ~ the dispute among Senate Republicans was the head count ~ apparently there were going to be 4 more Democrats the Republicans could count on than even Mitch McConnell could find.

Then there were a group of Dems and Reps who never did like the filibuster and still don't like it ~ they tend to vote together on that question.

Actually, unless they want to democratize the Senate we are much better off with a permanent super majority vote requirement for every item on the agenda.

4 posted on 04/21/2013 6:50:44 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Agree? Disagree?

Palin/Cruz 2016

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Palin won’t run in 2016, jmo.


5 posted on 04/21/2013 6:53:59 PM PDT by deport
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

You’re guaranteeing the return of speaker pelosi


6 posted on 04/21/2013 6:58:18 PM PDT by JohnBrowdie (http://forum.stink-eye.net)
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To: All

I disagree. I refuse to believe that in the future all the presidents will be Democrats.

We need to elect a republican president to keep traditional marriage, support religous freedom, slow down abortion on demand and to keep all of us from paying 50% in taxes.

We will have a Republican president in 2016 and I don’t care if it is Rubio, Jeb or Palin. I just want them to stop the slide that the Democrats have put America on.


7 posted on 04/21/2013 6:59:57 PM PDT by ClarenceThomasfan (What is America coming too?)
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To: JohnBrowdie
So? How is Boehner to the right of Pelosi? I haven't seen it. He's fin with background checks, amnesty, new taxes, Obamacare implementation, spending, weakening the military, carte blanche for any idea the regime wants, etc. Who can tell the difference?
8 posted on 04/21/2013 7:03:25 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: ClarenceThomasfan
We will have a Republican president in 2016 and I don’t care if it is Rubio, Jeb or Palin. I just want them to stop the slide that the Democrats have put America on.

Hope you are right!

9 posted on 04/21/2013 7:05:39 PM PDT by entropy12 (Even tho Obama is now a lame duck but with 2014 House majority, he will be dangerously socialist!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Ross Perot proved that a well funded third party with a well known high profile candidate can garner about 20% of the vote.
(BJ Clinton was certainly in favor of it)


10 posted on 04/21/2013 7:07:35 PM PDT by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The GOP as a party for Conservatives is dead.

It has been infiltrated and now run by Ruling Class Statists doing the bidding of the Leftists who are dismantling the Republic before our eyes.

The GOP Elites disdain and hate Conservatives as much as the MarxoFascists do - and if they did not need the Conservative vote to win elections, they would be as vicious in their demonization of us as Obama’s drones are.

No - the GOP are become nothing but a a party to helping the MarxoFascists achieve their utopian dreams, including assisting them in marginalizing and rendering irrelevant, Conservatives and Conservatism.

If Conservatives do NOT go third party - then Conservatism itself, will go the way of the Whigs and be an underground, persecuted belief system that few will dare to speak our principles openly.


11 posted on 04/21/2013 7:11:17 PM PDT by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: nascarnation

See Wallace, George, 1968. He actually won 5 states and 46 electoral votes.


12 posted on 04/21/2013 7:12:48 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Let me rephrase the title of this post:

Senate cloture vote tells us one thing: the GOP as a national party that will stand up for the ideals and principles of true conservatism is dead.

A third party, while admirable, will not help in the short term, which is where the help is most needed.

I've said this before, and I'll say it again, nothing short of going to Washington, DC and dragging every single senator and congressman, and yes, the president too (he is not exempt) from their offices and throwing them out into the street will save this nation.

Call it what you will, but it's the only way to end the era of an incompetent government.

13 posted on 04/21/2013 7:13:53 PM PDT by ducttape45
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To: INVAR
"...if they did not need the Conservative vote to win elections, they would be as vicious in their demonization of us as Obama’s drones are....assisting them in marginalizing and rendering irrelevant, Conservatives and Conservatism."

Exhibit A: Governor Sarah Palin.

14 posted on 04/21/2013 7:14:53 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Thank goodness.Having two left of center parties has been killing our country.


15 posted on 04/21/2013 7:15:39 PM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: ClarenceThomasfan

Rubio and Jeb would guarantee more of the same.


16 posted on 04/21/2013 7:16:59 PM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: ducttape45

We could try a “Pat Robertson in Iowa 1988” writ large, taking over the party at the precinct level nationwide and if that doesn’t work, go with your suggestion. Time is running out, though.


17 posted on 04/21/2013 7:17:07 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The Republican Party as a separate entity fizzled out sometime after the Reagan administration. What is now called “The Republican Party” is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Democrat Party and its purpose is to provide a theatrical but noneffective facade of an Opposition.


18 posted on 04/21/2013 7:23:27 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE www.fee.org/library/books/economics-in-one-lesson)
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To: deport

Palin is irrelevant in 2016, Jeb Bush is the nominee. He is next in line.


19 posted on 04/21/2013 7:24:39 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE www.fee.org/library/books/economics-in-one-lesson)
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To: ClarenceThomasfan

Why not? They have all been essentially Democrats since Ronald Reagan. What is a Progressive Republican but a Democrat who claims to be more sensible? The cliff they aim to take us over is the same.


20 posted on 04/21/2013 7:26:14 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE www.fee.org/library/books/economics-in-one-lesson)
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21 posted on 04/21/2013 7:26:59 PM PDT by deoetdoctrinae (The Old White Flag Republicans can go straight to He// and take their pal Obama with them!)
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To: arthurus

I suspect your right.


22 posted on 04/21/2013 7:28:29 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Strongly disagree - history tells us why. There have been calls for, and work done dozens of times in America's past to form 'new' parties. But, all efforts to build and grow a new party has fallen by the wayside shortly thereafter.

The problem we face right now is the same problem that has always existed - mostly caused by apathy, misinformation and ignorance of what needs to be done by whom.

Keeping a party healthy means taking care of business locally. If everyone who calls themselves conservative were actually involved on a monthly basis in their local districts, building membership and attending county and state party functions - working to deny office to obvious liberals - then conservatism could be said to be alive.

However - the truth is, many who call themselves conservative do absolutely nothing to promote conservatism in their own political district (district, county, state.) Ergo, many are anything but true conservatives - just ignorant blowhards without credible credentials.

23 posted on 04/21/2013 7:28:57 PM PDT by Ron C.
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To: Jim Robinson; onyx; Josh Painter; lowbridge; PieterCasparzen; Cringing Negativism Network; ...

Ping!


24 posted on 04/21/2013 7:40:07 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: Ron C.

Huh? The Republican Party was “new” in the 1850’s and had never elected a president.


25 posted on 04/21/2013 7:42:01 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The GOP, as a national party, has been a dead man walking since Bob Dole => Trent Lott => Bill Frist => Mitch McConnell.

-PJ

26 posted on 04/21/2013 7:45:36 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The GOP died on February 12,1999.

Since then,lividity.


27 posted on 04/21/2013 7:54:48 PM PDT by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: ClarenceThomasfan
We will have a Republican president in 2016 and I don’t care if it is Rubio, Jeb or Palin. I just want them to stop the slide that the Democrats have put America on.

The banking elites have been choosing candidates for quite some time.

They make it clear what their program is to the incoming President, if he's not already one of theirs and aware.

Both "parties" - at the top - are both on the globalization plan; the only thing that would be noteworthy is if a total (real, not fake) outsider could successfully get elected and then somehow not completely go along with their plans and also not be assassinated, forced to resign, etc.

Grassroots is the thing to worry about, IMHO, not the Presidency. Have to publicly call out the money interests, the foundations, etc., run them into the ground, put intense pressure on their politicians.
28 posted on 04/21/2013 8:01:02 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: Ron C.
Keeping a party healthy means taking care of business locally. If everyone who calls themselves conservative were actually involved on a monthly basis in their local districts, building membership and attending county and state party functions - working to deny office to obvious liberals - then conservatism could be said to be alive.

Left out the big money interests.

They control publicly-held corporations and the Fed.

Their top-level tax-exempt arm, the foundations that control education, "movements", media.

Oh, and they control the leadership of both parties.

If you don't raise public awareness of these controllers, they continue brainwashing and lying; they will always be able to fool voters. And their party bosses will always ensure that candidates on the ballot, either conservative or liberal, will always keep the Federal debt blossoming and sucking taxes out of "their suckers", and using regulation to hold down any competition for them.
29 posted on 04/21/2013 8:09:25 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’m in Georgia and our two utterly pathetic pieces of shit senators voted to allow this to come to a vote saying debate is healthy.These sumbitches are anything but healthy.We need to start protesting in front of their offices here in Georgia and make those that work for them utterly miserable.


30 posted on 04/21/2013 8:12:14 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: PieterCasparzen

I have a measuring stick that doesn’t fit any of the things you usually hear or see when it comes to picking a president who LEADS a party.
WHICH president from either party since jimmy carter is NOT responsible for adding one or more NEWLY minted, radically islamic, anti-American countries to the globe?
While everything else is a ‘crisis’ for either party, name me ONE president who has even tried to stop the islamicization of the world.
You can’t because there isn’t one. Not one.


31 posted on 04/21/2013 8:24:38 PM PDT by MestaMachine
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To: Hardraade

Ping


32 posted on 04/21/2013 8:27:25 PM PDT by MestaMachine
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The point of a new party is not to win - that’s why it’s so hard to get off the ground.

The point is to defend and to legitimize ideas that are not now part of the political system.


33 posted on 04/21/2013 8:28:46 PM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: nascarnation
Ross Perot proved that a well funded third party with a well known high profile candidate can garner about 20% of the vote. (BJ Clinton was certainly in favor of it)

Before Perot dropped out, he led the race with 37% of the vote. He sabotaged his own campaign and about half of the support he'd won, then ended up with 20%.

No one can conclude from that that no third party can be successful.

34 posted on 04/21/2013 8:47:17 PM PDT by Will88
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To: ClarenceThomasfan
We will have a Republican president in 2016 and I don’t care if it is Rubio, Jeb or Palin. I just want them to stop the slide that the Democrats have put America on.

Two of those people you list are JackAsses that WILL grant Amnesty to 30 Million+ Undocumented Democrats thereby GUARANTEEING that Republicans will not come near the Presidency or being in control of congress for decades, if not forever.

So you'd better start caring, NOW!
36 posted on 04/21/2013 9:42:01 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: HANG THE EXPENSE

agreed. Chambliss in particular is an obnoxious squirt of dog sh*t.


37 posted on 04/21/2013 10:41:45 PM PDT by Psiman (PS I am not a crackpot)
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To: JohnBrowdie

No, it isn’t, not if a 3rd party seeks to merely gain “kingmaker” status by garnering 4-6 senate seats and a couple dozen house seats. With the house seats, they can always vote/caucus with R’s.


38 posted on 04/21/2013 11:48:56 PM PDT by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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To: nascarnation

First thing a “3rd party” needs to do is swear off attempting the presidency. That ain’t gonna happen, and it just allows the doucheocrat party to get a marxist in.


39 posted on 04/21/2013 11:51:24 PM PDT by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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To: ClarenceThomasfan
We will have a Republican president in 2016 and I don’t care if it is Rubio, Jeb or Palin.

You'd better care.

That attitude is precisely why the GOP-e is in charge of our party, and why they keep stuffing worthless, quisling, RINOs down our throats every four years.

40 posted on 04/22/2013 12:11:55 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Agree!!


41 posted on 04/22/2013 2:17:55 PM PDT by heshtesh (I believe in Sarah Palin, the rest not so much.)
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To: Psiman

You have just insulted squirts of dog sh t.


42 posted on 04/22/2013 3:26:39 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: ducttape45

Sulla, Cromwell, or Pinochet.

If they keep it up, they will get Suharto - and we have lots more rivers than Indonesia.


43 posted on 04/22/2013 6:33:24 PM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: HANG THE EXPENSE

Aren’t there laws against that kind of thing now?


44 posted on 04/22/2013 7:26:39 PM PDT by ducttape45
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To: ducttape45

Probably.


45 posted on 04/22/2013 10:26:41 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: SoConPubbie

You can go ahead and support a President Hillary, Bloomber or Biden by throwing away your vote, but I CARE enough about this country to try to stop the decline and I will be voting Republican in 2016.


46 posted on 04/23/2013 7:46:54 PM PDT by ClarenceThomasfan (What is America coming too?)
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