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Biden talks gun control with McCain at Ariz. forum
The Hill ^ | April 27, 2013 | Jeremy Herb

Posted on 04/28/2013 2:30:54 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Vice President Joe Biden joined Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) at a forum hosted by the McCain Institute in Arizona Friday, where the pair discussed the recently defeated gun-control measure.

Biden told the crowd that last year’s massacre at an elementary school in Newtown, Conn., has changed American attitudes about guns, even though the Senate rejected legislation to expand background checks on gun purchases.

“Newtown was, to sort of use that old cliche, the straw that that broke the camel’s back,” Biden said, according to the Arizona Republic. “There was a fundamental change, in my opinion, in public attitudes about guns. It wasn’t marginal — it was real.”

Biden joined the Arizona senator for the McCain Institute’s Sedona Forum, the second annual gathering the think tank has hosted in Sedona, Ariz., since its creation last year.

McCain and Biden are friends from the Senate, and Biden's lobbying has been partially credited with convincing McCain to cross party lines and back the Senate’s bill.

Speaking alongside McCain, Biden said that the public is looking for some way to respond to last year’s mass shooting....

(Excerpt) Read more at thehill.com ...


TOPICS: Arizona; Issues; Parties; U.S. Senate
KEYWORDS: arizona; banglist; biden; guncontrol; mccain; secondamendment
Why even have two parties?
1 posted on 04/28/2013 2:30:55 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

They should totally get gay married and buy a condo together! McCain could make chex party mix and they could invite Boehnor and Obama over for 4 handed canasta!


2 posted on 04/28/2013 2:35:40 AM PDT by Casie (democrats destroy)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
“Newtown was, to sort of use that old cliche, the straw that that broke the camel’s back,” Biden said, according to the Arizona Republic. “There was a fundamental change, in my opinion, in public attitudes about guns. It wasn’t marginal — it was real.”

If Biden and McCain had any interest in the truth, they would look at the number of background checks per month (pushing 3 million) and the levels of firearms and ammo sales. The "fundamental change" is that, while we still value the Second Amendment, we no longer trust the ruling class elite to respect the rule of law. We're getting a lifetime supply of guns and ammo, and few armed Americans would pay 2-10 times the previous rates for ARs and for ammo if they were willing to then give them away in a forced buyback or official confiscation. I really don't want another civil war. Unfortunately, McCain is siding with Biden, Obama, Schummer, Pelosi, Reid, and others who are willing to force that option on us.

3 posted on 04/28/2013 2:36:37 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: Casie
Thanks for that mental picture. I see Polynesian furniture, Tiki decorations, 1940’s appliances and clothing, etc.
4 posted on 04/28/2013 2:39:30 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"Newton has changed American attitudes about guns"

Yes it did. More people than ever bought guns. More schools have decided to arm themselves. And more people learned that the law you wanted to pass would have done nothing to prevent Newton ever happening again showing once again how inept lawmakers are!

5 posted on 04/28/2013 2:39:55 AM PDT by saywhatagain
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yes~!


6 posted on 04/28/2013 2:47:00 AM PDT by Casie (democrats destroy)
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To: Pollster1

To put this into simple reasoning.....two hundred-ninety-nine million-nine-hundred-and ninety-seven thousand Americans (and illegals) are obeying not only federal, state and local law, but also any words handed down by the Almighty. That’s an enormous number of people who control themselves, their weapons, and don’t need anymore laws written.

So we basically need a law which covers roughly three thousand Americans (and illegals). You’d think after a while....that roughly seven-hundred folks die from swimming, boating, or water-related deaths each year, and we’d want to fix this problem too. But it’s not a priority.

You’d think after a while....that roughly seven-hundred folks die from blunt object situations (hammers, bats, 2x4 lumber) each year. We ought to have some reasoning to fight this statistic, but it’s not a priority.

So we’ve become a ‘Hollywood-nation’, which jumps off at the theater, gets hyper over some great theater show, and two weeks later figure out that half of the show was drama-acting and not much to get the nation into a uproar.


7 posted on 04/28/2013 3:03:34 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Samuel Francis had a term called anarcho-tyranny. This is the definition: "What we have in this country today, then, is both anarchy (the failure of the state to enforce the laws) and, at the same time, tyranny—the enforcement of laws by the state for oppressive purposes; the criminalization of the law-abiding and innocent through exorbitant taxation, bureaucratic regulation, the invasion of privacy, and the engineering of social institutions, such as the family and local schools; the imposition of thought control through “sensitivity training” and multiculturalist curricula, “hate crime” laws, gun-control laws that punish or disarm otherwise law-abiding citizens but have no impact on violent criminals who get guns illegally, and a vast labyrinth of other measures. In a word, anarcho-tyranny. "
8 posted on 04/28/2013 3:04:40 AM PDT by Hacksaw
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

With all this supposed change taking place in the hearts and minds of the American people, there is absolutely no change whatsoever in the two people chairing the little gettogether.


9 posted on 04/28/2013 3:04:44 AM PDT by wita
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“There was a fundamental change, in my opinion,
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The only problem here is that Biden’s opinion is just like Biden. Not worth a damn.

He and Juan , and Obama, the 3 Stooges.

Not one of the three could bell a buzzard.


10 posted on 04/28/2013 3:07:14 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It is hard to conjecture if America would have been much better off had McCain won the presidency. In the main, I would have to conclude, only marginally so. I say this because no matter how inconstant McCain would have been in office, his appointees would likely have been somewhat less hostile to our principles. I know that is scant approval, but it is the best that I can offer.


11 posted on 04/28/2013 3:08:30 AM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: FReepers; Patriots; FRiends









"Free Republic stands for God and Country.

We defend Life, Family, Constitution, Liberty, always have and always will.

And we defend our God- given, constitutionally guaranteed right to keep and bear arms TO THE HILT!!"

~Jim

12 posted on 04/28/2013 3:09:06 AM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: 3Fingas

And his vice president, especially if health issues arose.


13 posted on 04/28/2013 3:09:50 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Americans have changed their addititude on guns, witness the buying spree. We are not all buying guns because we want them to take them. These guys are just liars, thieves and have evil intentions.


14 posted on 04/28/2013 3:10:13 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: pepsionice

...to continue with your logic and reason, you would think that at least one million babies in the womb, would enjoy some smidgen of protection from the out of control oath taking/oath breaking physicians who, with the greatest of precision, and care, carry on their gruesome business of snuffing those one million babies per year with the full faith and credit of the US Government behind them.

Why just two days ago the President himself asked the Great God above who said “thou shalt not kill”, to bless the providers of what is shamefully called women’s health, that world renowned agency called Planned Parenthood. In closing, someone must think the Great God above, is not keeping notes or can’t count past the fingers of both hands.

Believers might be inclined to whisper, God help us, have mercy on us all.


15 posted on 04/28/2013 3:21:22 AM PDT by wita
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yes, Sarah Palin would have been much better than Biden. However, she would have been just one voice in a cabinet full of raging rinos.


16 posted on 04/28/2013 3:24:20 AM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: 3Fingas

The Vice President is not a cabinet member. He/she is the only other nationally elected official, the president of the Senate and, of course, first in line of succession. Many presidents also make the VP the head of the National Security Council and give them other high-level duties.


17 posted on 04/28/2013 3:31:34 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

All of what you say is true. However, we will never know what sort of responsibilities or level of trust McCain would have given to Sarah Palin. All we have to go by is McCain’s erratic behavior since losing the election.


18 posted on 04/28/2013 3:46:00 AM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Biden told the crowd that last year’s massacre at an elementary school in Newtown, Conn., has changed American attitudes about guns

No it has not.
You either believe in and agree with the Constitution or you do not.
You either believe only the Government and criminals should have guns or you believe that decent law abiding citizens should have guns also.
You either believe an inanimate object (a gun) walked into a school and killed children or you understand that an evil human being walked into a school and killed children.


19 posted on 04/28/2013 3:50:16 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I go to sign up for the American Revolution 2013 and the Crusades 2013?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

> Why even have two parties?

The RHINOs have really been working overtime backstabbing conservatives this last year and for what? Votes and retaining their power. Next election when they find out they lost their ‘coveted’ positions I hope they realize why they didn’t get the votes from the liberals they expected. Because people don’t like chicken$hit spineless coward scums that turn traitor against their own whether they’re liberal or conservative. Bye McCain, you just confirmed what we always suspected about you. And you wonder why you didn’t have a chance in 2008. You’re no longer relevant.


20 posted on 04/28/2013 3:50:24 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Venturer
bell a buzzard.

So you say you're from the South? I'm in OK but had never heard the term so I was off to Google which brought back a link to a book on regional sayings. The book said this usage is confined to the Southeastern US but was uncertain why anybody would attempt to achieve belling a buzzard in reality.

21 posted on 04/28/2013 4:09:29 AM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Ah, the ever-present Kelly Ayotte, now being pushed by squishes like Hugh Hewitt.


22 posted on 04/28/2013 4:12:19 AM PDT by TheLawyerFormerlyKnownAsAl
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

McCain, the narcissist, is focused on his legacy. He wants to be more than just a footnote in the history books (I.e the white male who lost the election of 2008 to the first black president). He knows progressive academics will write the history books. He has likely bought into the concept that conservatism is dead and demographics mean Barack Obama and the Democrats will be successful in transforming the US into a socialist state. By helping further the progressive agenda (immigration, gun control) he is hoping future historians will herald him as a visionary who helped bring about the transformation and tried to temper the racists and fascists in his party.

Of course in the present his behavior ensures he will continue to be the star Republican on the Sunday talk shows.


23 posted on 04/28/2013 4:22:16 AM PDT by Soul of the South (Yesterday is gone. Today will be what we make of it.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
If ever there was tweedle dee and tweedle dumb this was IT.
I can't think of two best suited for the name DUMB & DUMBER. My only problem is figuring out which one is DUMBER. . . .
24 posted on 04/28/2013 4:31:36 AM PDT by DeaconRed (Call it what it is: Attempt at People Control: NOT GUN CONTROL. Gun control is holding it steady.)
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To: Soul of the South

In other words, McNutt has stretched his 15 minutes into a half hour.


25 posted on 04/28/2013 4:42:04 AM PDT by exnavy (Fish or cut bait ...Got ammo, Godspeed!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

McCain Institute’s Sedona Forum:

Held in the San Francisco of Arizona - a land of good hiking almost completely ruined by New Age weirdos and old hippies. It is a town that believes in witches, and admires them. A town where ‘vortexes’ are supposed to be the key to life (http://sedonasouladventures.com/sedona/). A town where the vast majority openly reject God as Creator.

It is a fitting place for John McCain to show his REAL inner nature and belief...


27 posted on 04/28/2013 4:53:52 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Liberals are like locusts...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It makes the MSM think elections are real.A line in the movie Key Largo had it right.
You count the votes and keep counting them until they come out right.


28 posted on 04/28/2013 5:03:05 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Something must be done to totally destroy McCain politically. He’s an evil menace and an enemy of America.


29 posted on 04/28/2013 5:10:09 AM PDT by ZULU ((See: http://gatesofvienna.net/))
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To: SECURE AMERICA; All

“Biden told the crowd that last year’s massacre at an elementary school in Newtown, Conn., has changed American attitudes about guns”

I believe he is correct, but in exactly the opposite way that he is trying to make us believe.

The fundamental change in attitudes about guns is that guns are viewed as acceptable and as useful implements protected by the Constitution.

This has happened through the tireless efforts of the gun culture, which has kept on educating those uninformed about guns.

This education process was lifted to an enormous groundswell during the last 5 months as millions of the gun culture activists debated online with hundreds of thousands of clueless and emotional anti-freedom statists.

The gun culture won. We have the facts, the culture, and the Constitution on our side.

It has changed the public debate forever. The peak of Gun control was 1994. This year, with the media pushing it at a fever pitch, and with the President pushing it full out, it came up empty.


30 posted on 04/28/2013 5:39:05 AM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: Casie

“They should totally get gay married and buy a condo together! McCain could make chex party mix and they could invite Boehnor and Obama over for 4 handed canasta!”

Lindsey Graham’s feelings will be hurt if he’s not invited......


31 posted on 04/28/2013 5:49:04 AM PDT by snoringbear (E.oGovernment is the Pimp,)
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To: snoringbear
Shhhh... the guys don't know Lindsey Graham snuck in. He's on all fours pretending to be the coffee table, holding a silver tray of cheese on his back. Don't feel bad for him though. He totally likes it.
32 posted on 04/28/2013 6:00:40 AM PDT by Casie (democrats destroy)
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To: saywhatagain
Newton has changed American attitudes about guns

I'll bet mothers of violent children now lock up their guns lest they get shot in the face while sleeping.

33 posted on 04/28/2013 7:02:58 AM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: Last Dakotan

Yup. Had not thought about that. See them old out of touch ignorant old farts were correct. Attitudes have changed.


34 posted on 04/28/2013 7:26:40 AM PDT by saywhatagain
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btr


35 posted on 04/28/2013 8:07:58 AM PDT by Clinging Bitterly (I will not comply.)
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To: saywhatagain
Attitudes have changed.

Problems have a way of solving themselves.

36 posted on 04/28/2013 8:38:26 AM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: exnavy

“In other words, McNutt has stretched his 15 minutes into a half hour.”

The man lives for the camera. I’ve noticed that if a week or two goes by and he hasn’t been in the media he creates an event for himself such as appearing with Biden at the McCain Institute or backstabbing Ted Cruz. He is a pathetic human being who will sell out his country for a two minute interview on a Sunday morning talk show.

There are people who say we should honor McCain for his military service. Benedict Arnold was one of Washington’s best generals before he became a traitor and his victories contributed much to the colonists ultimate victory. However, today we do not honor his service. Does McCain deserve any better?


37 posted on 04/28/2013 8:41:39 AM PDT by Soul of the South (Yesterday is gone. Today will be what we make of it.)
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To: T-Bird45

My Dad used to say it a lot when he was speaking of someone who was what he considered totally stupid.

No: There isn’t much reason to do it, but obviously it would be pretty simple, Just go around something dead and capture a buzzard and bell it.


38 posted on 04/28/2013 2:09:48 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; All

McCain isn’t even bothering to be subtle about his liberal conversion any longer. Guess he isn’t worried about getting elected again. Remember ALL those conservative promises he made to Arizonans if they elected him again???
HE DID NOTHING he promised. Wish I had a dollar for every freeper who INSISTED McCain had seen the light and would not go back to his old ways!

[snip] 2010 AZ...During the conference, McCain said immigration reform is a top priority, but border security should come first. The Hill reports:

‘The lesson is clear: First we have to secure the border,’ McCain said in a press conference. ‘If you want to enact some other reforms, how can that be effective when you have a porous border?…So we have to secure the border first,’ he added.

Here’s the entire plan, from a press release:

1. Immediately deploy 3,000 National Guard Troops along the Arizona/Mexico border, along with appropriate surveillance platforms, which shall remain in place until the Governor of Arizona certifies, after consulting with state, local and tribal law enforcement, that the Federal Government has achieved operational control of the border. Permanently add 3,000 Custom and Border Protection Agents to the Arizona/Mexico border by 2015.

2. Fully fund and support Operation Streamline in Arizona’s two Border Patrol Sectors to, at a minimum, ensure that repeat illegal border crossers go to jail for 15 to 60 days. Where Operation Streamline has been implemented, the number of illegal crossings has decreased significantly. Require the Obama Administration to complete a required report detailing the justice and enforcement resources needed to fully fund this program. Fully reimburse localities for any related detention costs.

3. Provide $100M, an increase of $40M, for Operation Stonegarden, a program that provides grants and reimbursement to Arizona’s border law enforcement for additional personnel, overtime, travel and other related costs related to illegal immigration and drug smuggling along the border.

4. Offer Hardship Duty Pay to Border Patrol Agents assigned to rural, high-trafficked areas, such as the CBP Willcox and Douglas Stations in the Tucson Sector.

5. Complete the 700 miles of fencing along the border with Mexico and construct double- and triple- layer fencing at appropriate locations along the Arizona-Mexico border.

6. Substantially increase the 25 mobile surveillance systems and three Predator B Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAVs) in place today along the Arizona/Mexico border and ensure the border patrol has the resources necessary to operate the UAVs 24 hours a day seven days a week. Send additional fixed-wing aircraft and helicopters to the Arizona-Mexico Border.
[snip]http://washingtonindependent.com/82692/mccain-kyl-announce-a-10-point-border-security-plan

http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/John_McCain_Immigration.htm


39 posted on 04/28/2013 2:24:54 PM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: Venturer

Just so you can expand you lexicon with some southwestern flavor, we would say about that same kind of person that they don’t have sense enough to pour piss out of a boot. I think it would certainly apply to both McCain and Biden.


40 posted on 04/28/2013 4:34:55 PM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: T-Bird45

The way I heard that was they don’t have sense enough to pour piss out of a boot with a hole in the toe and directions on the heel./ LOL


41 posted on 04/28/2013 4:46:39 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: Soul of the South

I know, we have discussed McFruitcake here, in this forum, at length.


42 posted on 04/29/2013 12:55:26 AM PDT by exnavy (Fish or cut bait ...Got ammo, Godspeed!)
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