Posted on 04/29/2013 10:21:08 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
Now I understand. You must be pro gay/gun control and abortion because you don’t think casting your vote for a man who spent his own money and signed legislating them is a mistake.
This is ridiculous. Revel in your GOP ‘WIN” .
The reality is the base has shrunk. I’m socially conservative. I’m pro life, pro- traditional marriage, pro gun. I hope I’m still in the club and haven’t been excommunicated. But you should really read about what I wrote about my home state of CA. Every word of it is exactly true. Demographic factors sank Romney more than anything else. Demographic factors changed CA from a solid red state (at least in presidential elections) to a soild blue state. It doesn’t matter here in CA if you are rocked rib conservative like Tom McClintock, or a squishy RINO like Arnold. Republicans cannot get elected to anything in this state anymore thanks largely to changing demographic factors which are also happening in other states. Someone mentioned Texas. Well we’re going to lose Texas too eventually if some of these trends are not reversed. I believe Obama carried both Dallas and Harris counties-—the two biggest counties in that state.
Conservatives refused to vote for Romney, because he was and is a well known RINO and we all know how RINOs are viewed here on Free Republic. So, what we got was another 4 years of Obama who is decidedly NOT a RINO. Conservatives clearly decided that Barack was the better option.
Coulda, shoulda, woulda
Your description shows that you don’t understand conservatism, plus that you will lie “Conservatives clearly decided that Barack was the better option”.
It is evidently possible for Christians and moral people and conservatives to be confronted with a candidate or agenda that they cannot actively join with, so they are forced to not vote for him, but to avoid voting for that office, or vote for a third party candidate, or do a write in.
Yeah, me, to you, in post 43, you aren't reading our posts to you?
Did you read post 48? Did you know that the governor gave us gay marriage?
Life?
PELLEY: Well, the platform as written at this convention for the Republicans does not allow for exceptions on abortion with regard to the health of the mother or rape or incest. Is that where you are?
ROMNEY: No. My position has been clear throughout this campaign. I’m in favor of abortion being legal in the case of rape and incest, and the health and life of the mother.
Guns? Mitt Romney-"“Deadly assault weapons have no place in Massachusetts ,” Romney said. “These guns are not made for recreation or self-defense. They are instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people.”
Mitt Romney on DADT-" One issue I want to clarify concerns President Clinton’s “don’t ask, don’t tell, don’t pursue” military policy. I believe that the Clinton compromise was a step in the right direction. I am also convinced that it is the first of a number of steps that will ultimately lead to gays and lesbians being able to serve openly and honestly in our nation’s military. That goal will only be reached when preventing discrimination against gays and lesbians is a mainstream concern, which is a goal we share."
Boy Scouts
Romney in 1994-"Romney said that homosexuals “should be allowed” to serve as Boy Scout leaders. At the time he served on the national (volunteer) executive board of directors (NEB) of the BSA."
DEC 2000 – The 2002 Salt Lake Winter Olympic Committee, under Mitt Romney’s leadership, banned local Boy Scouts from helping at the Olympics games.
8/05/2012 - A spokeswoman for Republican Presidential candidate Mitt Romney, Andrea Saul, wrote in an e-mail to the press that Romney’s 1994 public support of homosexuals in scouting remained his position today.
I am reading them. And I’m telling you we’re going to get pushed out of Texas too if we’re not careful. Already I’m seeing signs of trouble in Texas. Whites are below 50% of the population there. Obama carried both Dallas and Harris Counties-—in years past, RR and GWB easily carried both counties. This should not be taken lightly-—they are the two biggest counties in Texas. I see some of the same patterns emerging in Texas that I have witnessed here in CA. The GOP is getting pushed out of all of the big metropolitan areas and into the hinterlands. There is practically no GOP presence at all here in CA in our big metro counties. We have already lost San Diego. We have lost the Inland Empire. We are losing in Fresno and Stockton. We lose big in San Francisco, Sacramento, Stockton, and Oakland. We are getting KILLED here in LA. We are close to losing our last bastion, Orange County-—Obama actually carried Irvine in the last election. I see the same things happening with Texas. Dems building up big majorities in Houston, San Antonio, Austin, El Paso, and Dallas-—within a matter of time enough to swamp GOP strength in the rural counties. I see the USA going the same way of Europe. Too many people dependent on government, too few working, and declining birthrates among conservatives.
Romney gave MA same sex marriage? New one on me. I thought it was the state supreme court.
Hope that you are enjoying Obama’s second term, you helped make it possible, together with many other clueless Freepers who can’t seem to figure out how politics really work - it ain’t some pollyannaish debating society.
Again, I’m not surprised, you read all of post 67, are only surprised by one item, yet you have been trying to tell everyone that he was the opposite of what was listed in post 67.
As far as his manipulations with homosexual marriage while aggressively promoting a radical pro-homosexual agenda for the military and Boy Scouts. http://www.massresistance.org/docs/marriage/romney/timeline.html
LOL, like I said, you don’t understand conservatism, or conservatives.
As far as politics, you should try to overcome your unwillingness to learn anything from your disaster with the pro-abortion, pro-homosexual, anti-gun, anti-Christian cult leader of 2012.
Well, I don’t buy your claim that Romney imposed same sex marriage on MA, I believe the state supreme court did that. And I’m not here to defend Romney on every single mistake he ever made. No politician is perfect. RR signed a law here in CA as governor which greatly liberalized abortion. He also supported some tax hikes both as governor and president. Few politicians are ideologically pure. But my larger points are all correct. It’s no longer the econmy, stupid. It’s the demographics, stupid. Also I have pointed out that the GOP is getting pushed out of all of the metropolitan counties in the nation. This has already happened in CA. It is happening in Texas, and it is across the nation. When the Dems build up these huge majorities in our cities that gives them plenty of opportunity to pad their vote totals with”extra” votes like they have been doing in places like Chicago, Philadelphia, and Cleveland for years. The GOP is losing out big time in our urban areas.
Certainly Romney was a disaster, he wasn’t my choice, that’s for sure, and we had better figure out how to nominate a real conservative in the Republican Party, or get us a new party. However, that plan will only work if you kill the Republican Party when you do it. Three party systems don’t work in the USA.
So, within a two party system, once the parties have selected their nominees, you have to select the lesser of two evils. Since I will never in my lifetime vote for a Democrat, the choice is pretty simple. If you don’t make that choice, you elect the Democrat, you don’t even have to stay at a Holiday Inn Express to figure that out.
Read post 65, while “choosing the lesser of two evils” is a common and usually suitable political saying, it is evidently possible as we learned in 2012, that someone can be too evil to vote for or to actively join his efforts to attain his desire for power.
Obama and Romney were both that for some Americans, in this case people who could not vote for the republican’s choice, didn’t, they skipped that slot, or did a write in, or voted third party, or stayed home.
Romney never belonged in politics, and surely not republican politics.
Pro Life?
Romney in 1994-””My position has been the same throughout my political career, and it goes back to the days of 1970,” he said. “There was a woman who was running for political office, U.S. Senate. She took a very bold and courageous stand in 1970, and that was in a conservative state. That was that a woman should have the right to make her own choice as to whether or not to have an abortion. Her name was Lenore Romney, she was my mom. Even though she lost, she established a record of courage in that regard.”
Romney in August of 2012:
PELLEY: Well, the platform as written at this convention for the Republicans does not allow for exceptions on abortion with regard to the health of the mother or rape or incest. Is that where you are?
ROMNEY: No. My position has been clear throughout this campaign. I’m in favor of abortion being legal in the case of rape and incest, and the health and life of the mother.
Guns? Mitt Romney-”“Deadly assault weapons have no place in Massachusetts ,” Romney said. “These guns are not made for recreation or self-defense. They are instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people.”
Mitt Romney on DADT-” One issue I want to clarify concerns President Clinton’s “don’t ask, don’t tell, don’t pursue” military policy. I believe that the Clinton compromise was a step in the right direction. I am also convinced that it is the first of a number of steps that will ultimately lead to gays and lesbians being able to serve openly and honestly in our nation’s military. That goal will only be reached when preventing discrimination against gays and lesbians is a mainstream concern, which is a goal we share.”
Boy Scouts
Romney in 1994-”Romney said that homosexuals “should be allowed” to serve as Boy Scout leaders. At the time he served on the national (volunteer) executive board of directors (NEB) of the BSA.”
DEC 2000 – The 2002 Salt Lake Winter Olympic Committee, under Mitt Romney’s leadership, banned local Boy Scouts from helping at the Olympics games.
8/05/2012 - A spokeswoman for Republican Presidential candidate Mitt Romney, Andrea Saul, wrote in an e-mail to the press that Romney’s 1994 public support of homosexuals in scouting remained his position today.
I have your back on that statement, Obama even less so.
Don’t ask don’t tell for the military is the right policy. It is true that Romney changed his position on abortion....but so did RR. If I were here to defend each and every flip flop made by a politician we would be here all day. You are ignoring my larger points. I get that you hate Mormons. My larger point supports the thesis of this article. 2004 turnout numbers would have elected Romney. That is true. 1972 and 1984 -—if we had the same demographics then-—as we do today——Romney would have won in a similar landslide as in those two years. That is my basic point. But you have your other issues. Mormonism is an issue with you. Romney’s flip flops are an issue-—never mind that most politicians flip flop. I accept that fact. One rule of thumb, though, when a politician is flipping in YOUR direction-—never complain about it. When Ronald Reagan in mid life transitioned from an FDR Democrat to a Barry Goldwater Republican, we did not condemn him, we embraced him. I welcome all politicians to the pro-life cause when they come over. But you have your own axe to grind. I’m trying to look at the larger picture. MR was not the 100% pure ideological conservative some were looking for. But by ANY measure he was fantastically successful in life and would have made a VASTLY superior POTUS compared to what we’re stuck with now.
Romney was against DADT, Romney was always for full homosexualizing of the military and Boy Scouts.
No one hates Mormons, and Ronald Reagan never changed his position on abortion, he was always pro-life, but Romney has spent 5 years trying to create the myth that Reagan was “adamantly pro-choice.
What flip flop? Why don’t you read my posts to you?
Romney in 1994-””My position has been the same throughout my political career, and it goes back to the days of 1970,” he said. “There was a woman who was running for political office, U.S. Senate. She took a very bold and courageous stand in 1970, and that was in a conservative state. That was that a woman should have the right to make her own choice as to whether or not to have an abortion. Her name was Lenore Romney, she was my mom. Even though she lost, she established a record of courage in that regard.”
Romney in August of 2012:
PELLEY: Well, the platform as written at this convention for the Republicans does not allow for exceptions on abortion with regard to the health of the mother or rape or incest. Is that where you are?
ROMNEY: No. My position has been clear throughout this campaign. I’m in favor of abortion being legal in the case of rape and incest, and the health and life of the mother.
Do you know how ridiculous it is to describe a democrat of the 1940s making his last democrat presidential vote in 1948 and campaigning for republicans from 1952 on, to Mitt Romney (son of a 1968 GOP presidential candidate, and 1970 mother senatorial candidate) leaving the republican party because of Reagan and conservatism, and not voting for Reagan in the 1980s and becoming a democrat fund raiser and supporter?
If it really came down to 100,000 voters Akin and Murdoch easily cost us that many.
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