Skip to comments.Sarah Palin and a new American Party
Posted on 07/23/2013 9:33:28 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
"Not until I went to the churches of America and heard her pulpits aflame with righteousness did I understand the secret of her genius and power. America is great because she is good, and if America ever ceases to be good, America will cease to be great."
Alexis d Tocqueville, Democracy in America, 1835
The inspiration for this article occurred while reading "What about a third party candidate" by Rachel Lynn Robinson on Nolan Chart, www.nolanchart.com. Ms. Robinson, a Libertarian, asks: "Is it reasonable to elect a third party candidate simply based on their stance on a few key items?"
Ms. Robinson writes a good article, and offers an alternative to a third party, the redesign of the GOP. She asks, how could we win a national election with a new party, if we don't have the strength to re-invent the Republican Party? So in the end her solution is infighting within the GOP. Unfortunately, we have been doing that since Ronald Reagan, and it has resulted in chaos in America and the election and re-election of a neophyte lightweight Barack Obama.
First, let's make clear we don't need a new third party, we need a new second party. Difference? What faces the United States is not about one or two, or three issues where we are headed in the wrong direction. This is not about dissatisfaction by groups of single issue voters. This is about what the United States is, how it will conduct itself in the Post-Cold War World, and whether it has the heart to sustain the most successful national model in history!
America is in chaos. It starts with God. It starts with the rise of secular humanism and the removal of God from the center of our nation. This process started before the American Civil War, but clearly accelerated in the 1950's to today. Any new national party wanting to offer America salvation as a nation must start with inviting God into the Big Tent. If the tent ain't big enough for God, the rest is a waste of time.
Christianity was the foundation of colonies, it was their inspiration, it was what brought the first settlers to America. The "Mayflower Compact," designed and accepted on the Mayflower before the 102 settlers set foot on America's coast is seen by historians as the seed for what became the American model of governance. And in that compact God sits majestically. There is no subtlety about His presence in that document. Even today's political correct morons could not convice you that God is only referred to. No, He is there in all His glory to commence the creation of the nation we live in today.
The new American Party must humble itself before God. The people of America must NOT make the mistakes of Israel and other nations. It is time to bow, time to repent as a nation. It is time to ask God for His "guidance and protection" as the people of the South did in their 1861 Constitution. The new American Party must accept Christianity as it's compass, it must provide the direction for domestic and foreign policy or everything else attempted by America will result in the same ends as all other nations.
Yet, there is much more the new American Party must do. It must re-assess the modern world and our nation's place in it.
America must re-acquaint itself with the concept of republic. The Constitution was not an "enabling" document. It was a protecting document. The Constitution was an attempt to design a central government limited, or restrained, to only those things a central government must do. The original concept was to allow each of the states to retain as much control of its domestic development as possible. This concept allowed for both diversity and experimentation, while allowing states to retain much of their own identity and sovereignty This should be the second foundation of the American party.
The third foundation should be nationalism, and a new national economic self-sufficiency. America must retake its own markets. This does require policies and action at the central government level, as stimulus to American business entrepreneurship, industrial ingenuity and creativity and the American work ethic. It requires domestic oil and gas exploration, development production, something Governor Palin is quite familiar with. Liz Cheney recently articulated the very concept of development of our own energy reserves. By doing this, we could separate ourselves from the world market, employ millions of our own people in good paying jobs and create the economic foundation for a renaissance in U.S. industry and manufacturing.
Trade should be used as a tool, not as a give away principle that has reduced America to third world status.
And lastly, we must find our place in the world.
We are no longer the leader of the Free World. That battle has subsided for a time. No we are just one of more than two hundred nations trying to make our way. Our foreign policy must not only meet our national security needs, and our hopes and aspirations but it must be within our means.
I am not a Liz Cheney supporter (yet). To be one, I would have to know where she stands on question of morality. Her father disappointed me with his embrace of homosexuality. This violates Christianity, the sanctity of God and His natural law. But Liz Cheney is absolutely right about the economic potential of the United States. We could enter a new era of prosperity were this nation's policies shifted towards self-sufficiency.
A new second party, the American Party is the answer, it is the political locale where our nation can be reborn unto itself. No, this can't happen in the Republican Party. It's corruption is too widespread, it's infestation by special interests, American and non-American, too deep. And there is a "royalty" within the Republican Party that defies the basic concept of America, that all men are created equal. No, we need an American Party and Sara Palin bests reflects that party.
We do need a second party in this country
Cannot argue with the premiss or the conclusions.
Without God and a Righteous Cause being a foundation, anything we do is moot - even Franklin noted that fact in the Convention.
But also - there is no working within the existing system. It is corrupted and rotten beyond fixing. A reset is required - and those in power are not going to give up their station without a bloody fight.
In fact, I think just about everyone in power now, would rather see this nation turned to ash than to lose their power in subjugating us.
For fifty years we turned out back to God!
Is it any wonder we are going thru Hell now?
Sarah’s the only one that could pull off a third party run ... I just don’t know if she could win.
The current GOP is not performing its role or duty as an “opposition” party. Cavings, capitulations, etc., on virtually all issues from fiscal cliffs to amnesty to NSA data-mining. No fiscal conservatism. Runs from social conservatism like the plague. Behaves like a scared rabbit before the media.
If Palin spearheads or joins with a new Party, I’ll go with her at the drop of a hat. Although I’ve voted exclusively GOP my whole life, I’m more than ready to bolt. And a lot of this actually has to do with the GOP’s lousy, reprehensible treatment of Palin. The best thing to happen to the Party since Reagan, the one person to come along who fully represents my voice both ideologically and culturally... and what did the GOP do to defend her when the media went on its vile rampage against her? When her church was torched? When her kids and family were dragged through the mud? When comedians made rape-jokes about her daughter? When the media accused her of complicity in the Tucson mass-murder? When Hollywood spent millions on a film to smear her? When ludicrous books of lies accused her of basically being a crack-whore? What does the GOP do? Dump on her. Join in with the media wilding. Not even allow her or her name anywhere near the 2012 Romney-Ryan convention. To hell with them!
Man, but I lost every tiny bit of faith, respect and confidence I once had for the Republican Party. The GOP really turns my stomach nowadays.
Things got to change. That is clear. The Progressive Obama revolution has failed and must be chucked. The GOP has proven to be a weak vessel. I said—if the GOP couldn’t beat Obama in 2012 they need to be dumped upon the asheap of history. 3rd Party is the only way— Here is why!
1. A 3rd Party will force the GOP to make changes—If they see that a new movement is taking the wind from there sails. they will move right—as they did with Reagan.
2. A 3rd Party can express new ideas and take un-PC stands that challange the set norms of the body politic. They are not limited by the past—
3. A 3rd Party can draw new people into the political system that can bring new ideas and beliefs—such as a return to Christian Values and conservative beliefs.
4. A 3rd Party can re-stimulate debate on the direction of the nation—I had hoped the Tea Party would be this force until it was strangled by the Liberals, IRS, Media and the GOP who wished to just use it.
5. Only a 3rd Party can cause this re-alinement—but it must be more than a Ross Perot ego trip—it must be a full blown movenment with flags, banners, goals, philosophy, mascots, and songs. It needs to bring in new people (Ross Perot did a bit of that—look at Pat Bucannan and Jessie Ventura but it didn’t go far enough.
6. Only a 3rd Party—outside of the tired Establishment can do this—Now once the 3rd Party pushs the GOP to the right—it can wither away OR cause the GOP to wither and replace it.
While that sounds good, liberals will NEVER split their vote. If we do, then we can be sure that another radical, liberal Democrat will be elected and we’ll find ourselves griping and complaining for another 7 1/2 years.
de Tocqueville never wrote that.
“Is it reasonable to elect a third party candidate simply based on their stance on a few key items?”
IMHO, if the key issues are restricting government to the bounds defined in the Constitution, strict (Originalist) interpretation of the Constitution, border control, Agency removal (IRS, BATF, EDUCATION, ENERGY, EPA) - such a party/platform could win.
He must first learn to spell her name: SARAH PALIN!
She's the only one in the polirical realm who has repeatedly demonstrated that she possesses ALL of the requisite mettle, faith and strength.
the only way a 3rd party could win would be if the democrat party went into total chaos over some issue and split down the middle into 2 parties.
The concept of libertarian is part of the problem of why people are abandoning the GOP.
Many of us will never embrace homosexuals in the military, and in immigration and State department policies, abortion, gay marriage and adoption, porn and crack, and the entire war against God and social conservatism.
The writer asks about Liz Cheney for example and the GOP just ran a gay marriage, gays in the military, pro-abortion presidential candidate.
LIZ Cheney wanted DADT ended and rejoiced when it was, she was against DOMA, is against a constitutional amendment to save marriage, and supports gay marriage, and supports the State department move to the gay agenda, and until this week had never been pro-life.
The reason Colorado has gone blue is because enough Libertarians got together, sucked hard on the Elephant’s nose and siphoned off enough votes to put John Morse in the State Senate.
Gun Control made big gains in Colorado thanks to the Hickenlooper-Libertarian Tag Team.
‘He must first learn to spell her name:
Sarah-with-an-H - the breath of God . . .
May I suggest my fellow Freepers watch show 120 at angelandthewiz on YouTube: A Message To The GOP......you might hear things you agree with..
Of course a third party wouldn’t win. That would take 20 years, if ever.
But the current “2nd party” ways are guarenteed to lose, as they have for 100 years.
The existing conservative writers and radio hosts have an interest in keeping the status quo, as they are doing quite well now under this losing arrangement, complaining about the GOP and favoring “change from within”.
Do you folks not understand what a Marxist oligarchy is??
Given what we learned from the last election cycle and the absolute corruption that exists in the Machine of Democrat/Marxist strongholds - why do you folks continue to delude yourselves into believing VOTING is going to change anything??
Do you people honestly think a rigged, shell-game of an electoral system run and controlled by the MarxoFascists and the GOP Ruling Class is going to do anything but declare their own ‘candidates’ winners via clever manipulations like we saw in Ohio and other places??
Do you folks truly not know what time it is?
There is NO FIXING or STOPPING this juggernaut of tyranny engulfing us - especially from within the system they have corrupted. They do not respect the rule of law. They demonstrate that to us DAILY.
Third parties aren’t going to put the Oligarchs out to pasture. Neither will elections. Our votes will not even be counted. They will be manufactured, manipulated, stolen, misplaced, and engineered to ensure the Ruling Class will always ‘win’.
Cook County went national. Get that through your heads.
We keep getting stuck on stupid - voting the ‘lesser of two evils’ as some kind of salvation for the tyranny we have earned. It’s foolhardy to assume the Dictatorship is going to honor the voice of the people or the rule of law via an honest election. Look around. Understand the signs. What you knew of America is GONE - those in power LOATHE the people, while the people fear those in power.
To hold onto what is left of our liberties and the Republic - is going to require we think outside the boxes they have corrupted and we have already exhausted.
Well, INVAR, you may be on to something. Let’s see what happens. Don’t have a choice, right? Let’s buy root beer and good potato salad.
The GOP does posture a lot with speechmaking.
Boehner made noises about “jobs” yesterday because no doubt the focus group polling said he could use those words.
But that does suddenly made Boehner a conservative.
Not by a longshot.....
“To hell with them!”
You hit the nail on the head my friend. Honest, God-fearing Americans need to ask themselves the question, "what price am I willing to pay to see that God fearing men and women once again take charge of America?"
It will probably take another civil war, but in this instance, that civil war will not be between two sides of an ideological issue, but also between races, different social classes, and religious lines. And at this point, it's a toss up as to who would win in the end, and if the America we know would survive at all.
And if you dare challenge that than you must be 100% Evil!
Because if we don't vote for the Republicans than the Democrats will win and we will get Amnesty, Deathcare, Gay Marriage, Pedophilia Legalization....
Oh Wait, the Republicans are going along to get along with those issues too.
You still better vote for the GOP though!
So very true.
I think a Freedom Party, as a party-within-a-party (in the beginning) would be organized as a threat to the GOPe internally first. It would need to build up its fundraising, recruiting and other arms and run candidates in GOP primaries.
Then when/if the GOPe continues their crap we could actually go third party as an entire organized faction.
Perot ran twice as a third party apparently to help Bill Clinton, who couldn’t get a majority of the popular vote either time.
Perot ran twice as a third party apparently to help Bill Clinton, who couldn’t get a majority of the popular vote either time.
IF a 3rd party could win, it would have to understand and know without a doubt that God could supernaturally intercede and allow a win even though all odds were against this happening.
IF a 3rd party could win, it would have to have the dedicated support and prayer of a large population of "real" Christians who will donate, support and vote! This group would not need to be a majority, as God could overcome that problem.
IF a 3rd party could win, it would have to be unwavering in Biblical morality and unabashedly honest in giving all glory for achievements to God and asking for this blessing in the name of Jesus.
I am beginning to think that perhaps this is our ONLY hope to save America.
The GOP has weakened its pro-life position anyway.
They tout 20 weeks after saying in the past (Ronald Reagan)
there should be no abortion from conception with rape, incest or life of the mother exceptions.
We do need a second party in this country
I am sure its been said hundreds of thousands of times
Perfect response that captures the problem in DC.
I don’t know.
Looking at what has happened to America’s standing in the world, I think Perot had the right position, actually.
I think we elected the wrong guy.
We needed to vote for Perot.
Flawed analysis. Imagine a farmer planting fields...that's a new party.
Imagine a farmer trying to plant fields while being harassed by someone who doesn't want him to plant for himself, but to work for him as a sharecropper, on his own land...
That's the Republican party. The Republican Party has become corrupt.
The RINOs are entrenched. Any changes made in the GOP would inevitably become corrupt.
If one takes a gallon of vanilla ice cream and a gallon of manure, and mix them together...will the result taste more like vanilla ice cream, or manure?
Not my druthers.
I'm mindful of the Bond Movie Goldfinger..."No, Mr. Bond, I don't expect you to talk! I expect you to die!"
The GOP can never be wrested from the grip of the professional politicians.
The only viable way a third-party will happen is from a mass defection...say the Texas GOP wants to break off from the National Party and start their own party, and then see which other politicians will defect to the new party.
Perot ran twice because his ego is the biggest part of him.
I've voted for every Republican candidate for president...even when I had to hold my nose. I decided awhile back that borders were the issue where I would draw the line. If you don't have enforceable and enforced borders, you don't have a country, and the game's up.
I flirted with Libertarianism for awhile, until I concluded they were the Not Ready for Prime Time Players, a mix of Randians and stoners, naïve all.
I believe it's impractical to declare a Culture War, when it's much more practical to not declare it...just knock out the underpinnings of the left.
Offer a strictly secular platform of ending handouts, shrinking government and increasing liberty. Do so and you've disarmed your opponent.
How do you intend to prove a negative?
And lose 47% off the top, sadly.
I think there's maybe some wiggle room on the 47% though. A lot of SS recipients, for example, are conservative.
Anyone who attempts to reverse it in one election cycle has a lot of factions to appease.
The untapped power is the 200 million or so citizens who simply don't participate in elections, more than the sum of both major sides currently voting.
That block needs to be persuaded to participate.
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