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Poll: Republicans embracing libertarian priorities
Politico ^ | 9/11/13 | JAMES HOHMANN

Posted on 09/11/2013 1:56:48 PM PDT by wmfights

Two-thirds of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents said they want their member of Congress to “keep their promises and stick to principles” as opposed to “compromise in a bipartisan way to get things done.”

“From Obamacare on down, sticking to principle is where the Republican base is today,” said David Kirby, vice president of opinion research at FreedomWorks. “It’s an example of how off the Republican establishment is from their base.”

Social issues have become less salient to GOP voters: 41 percent said gay marriage is not one of their top 10 issues. Asked about abortion, about one-third said it is one of the top three issues they care about; another third said it is not in the top three but somewhere in the top 10 and the final third said it is not one of their top 10 concerns.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/09/poll-republicans-libertarian-96576.html#ixzz2ecUQmr3o

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1 posted on 09/11/2013 1:56:48 PM PDT by wmfights
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To: wmfights
The LORD still judges. A GOP that continues to abandon such conservative principles will be delivered into the hands of its enemies.
2 posted on 09/11/2013 1:59:27 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: wmfights

So. What does sticking to principles and keeping promises have to do with libertarian priorities?

Another case where the headline and the article do not match.


3 posted on 09/11/2013 2:00:03 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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A slight majority, 52 percent, said government should not promote any particular set of values, compared with 40 percent who think government should promote “traditional values.”

I think people don't understand that "traditional values" find their foundation in Scripture rather than the "anything goes values" of today which are based on the emotions of the human heart.

4 posted on 09/11/2013 2:02:02 PM PDT by wmfights
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To: wmfights

They’re based on the emotions of a non-human heart too.


5 posted on 09/11/2013 2:05:15 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: wmfights

“compromise in a bipartisan way to get things done.”

Bipartisanship: When the stupid party and the evil party get together and do something that is both stupid and evil.


6 posted on 09/11/2013 2:06:02 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: Olog-hai
The LORD still judges.

Amen!

A GOP that continues to abandon such conservative principles will be delivered into the hands of its enemies.

They certainly will lose their most loyal voting bloc, Evangelical Christians.

It seems to me that as we attract libertarians a great deal of education needs to be done about where the foundation of a moral code should be found and why. I think most libertarians will argue that the human heart is good.

7 posted on 09/11/2013 2:06:33 PM PDT by wmfights
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To: Responsibility2nd
You are confusing classical libertarianism with the Libertarian party.

/johnny

8 posted on 09/11/2013 2:06:33 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Responsibility2nd
What does sticking to principles and keeping promises have to do with libertarian priorities?

It's sort of like campaigning as being a supporter of small government and freedom and, you know, actually meaning it.

9 posted on 09/11/2013 2:07:10 PM PDT by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: wmfights

They are going to lose a lot more voters than they could hope to gain.


10 posted on 09/11/2013 2:08:17 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: Responsibility2nd
"What does sticking to principles and keeping promises have to do with libertarian priorities?"

The "commonality" must mean that Government Control over everyones' lives is a Priority of BOTH?

I believe that taking an Oath to "uphold and protect The Constitution" should be a Priority to ALL Parties, likewise, Federal Government limited to EXPLICITLY STATED Constitutional Power, not Reserved to the States, has been sh#t-canned by Activist/Over-Reaching USSC Decisions (like Anchor Babies, The Commerce Clause, Affirmative Action, for examples).

11 posted on 09/11/2013 2:08:28 PM PDT by traditional1 (Amerika.....Providing public housing for the Mulatto Messiah)
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To: wmfights
RINO’s embrace Democrats. The GOP needs Libertarians and Tea Party people to take over and kick out the entrenched elites...
12 posted on 09/11/2013 2:08:38 PM PDT by Farnsworth ("The people have always some champion whom they set over them and nurse into greatness...This and no)
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To: wmfights

The article is poorly formulated and written. ‘Giving the journalist an F on this one. And the idea that Republicans are not driving the abortion issue is pure bogus. Look at our recent victories in Texas and North Dakota. That was the grassroots that pushed that. If anything, we should be driving the anti-infanticide movement into high gear. It’s a winning issue.


13 posted on 09/11/2013 2:13:16 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: JRandomFreeper

The article has nothing to do with classical libertarianism.

It’s a puff piece about social liberals and RINO’s in the GOP.


14 posted on 09/11/2013 2:13:18 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Farnsworth

A lot of these people would rather sit in a squalid FEMA camp ruled by hillary clinton than have fedgov operate within the confines of Article 1, Section 8. They’re desire to meddle in the lives of others is that strong.


15 posted on 09/11/2013 2:14:45 PM PDT by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: wmfights

I think most libertarians will argue that the human heart is good
They are going right against the Bible in that case. And even worse, I think they know it, too.
The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

— Jeremiah 17:9

16 posted on 09/11/2013 2:15:34 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: GeronL
They are going to lose a lot more voters than they could hope to gain.

That's my thinking as well. I'm not going to be able to go to the polls and vote if "traditional values" are thrown over board for political expediency.

I have two children in college and when they bring friends by we will discuss issues like homosexual marriage. Almost all of them start out in favor of it. I will ask them what is the basis of the moral code that society should be governed by. In some cases they revise their thinking.

It seems to me that in a culture that wants "bumper sticker answers" to problems we are fighting at a disadvantage. Conservative principals are based in a much more complex rigor of thought.

17 posted on 09/11/2013 2:17:54 PM PDT by wmfights
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To: Orangedog
I agree with you. America, at least the voting majority have become sheep and imbecile's.
18 posted on 09/11/2013 2:18:13 PM PDT by Farnsworth ("The people have always some champion whom they set over them and nurse into greatness...This and no)
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To: Olog-hai
They are going right against the Bible in that case. And even worse, I think they know it, too.

My experience has been that they have never given it much thought. Often if you can get a discussion going you can get them thinking about it.

19 posted on 09/11/2013 2:21:04 PM PDT by wmfights
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To: wmfights

If this is meant to imply the GOP is now cozying up to issues like fag-marriage, dope, open-borders, and other such degeneracy... well, it can count me out.


20 posted on 09/11/2013 2:23:39 PM PDT by greene66
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To: wmfights
Conservative principals are based in a much more complex rigor of thought.

Rigorous enough to note that in matters of marraige and abortion, what Congress does should be irrelevant because it's not within their enumerated powers to legislate it?

21 posted on 09/11/2013 2:23:49 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: dsc

Absolutely.


22 posted on 09/11/2013 2:23:51 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Trust but verify. If you can't verify, trust no one but God.)
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To: Farnsworth
The GOP needs Libertarians and Tea Party people to take over and kick out the entrenched elites...

I think you are right, but there is a need for these groups to learn why social conservatives have the views they hold. If the big rush is to draw these people into the party and social conservatives are expected to "sit in the corner and be quiet" the party will lose as many supporters as it gains.

23 posted on 09/11/2013 2:24:29 PM PDT by wmfights
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To: wmfights

When you try to run as Democrat-Lite, people just wind up voting for the real thing.


24 posted on 09/11/2013 2:25:07 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: wmfights

“compared with 40 percent who think government should promote “traditional values.”

The question is should that be the job of government? I say that’s the job of civil society. Once government takes on promoting values, don’t be surprised if they start promoting values you don’t like.


25 posted on 09/11/2013 2:25:34 PM PDT by Hugin
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To: wmfights

“I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism” -Ronald Reagan


26 posted on 09/11/2013 2:27:11 PM PDT by BarnacleCenturion
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Why post this half truth? Why not post the rest of the quote?


27 posted on 09/11/2013 2:28:25 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: wmfights

Civilized Society could withstand a few percentage of perverts in the closet quite easily.

Civilized Society can not withstand public and government approved celebrations of perversion while attacking those who disapprove. That society won’t survive long.


28 posted on 09/11/2013 2:29:28 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: Responsibility2nd

Reagan’s view of libertarian philosophy:

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Dg0Axyvlkm0&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DDg0Axyvlkm0


29 posted on 09/11/2013 2:30:28 PM PDT by BarnacleCenturion
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To: Hugin
The question is should that be the job of government? I say that’s the job of civil society. Once government takes on promoting values, don’t be surprised if they start promoting values you don’t like.

The govt. is a necessary evil needed to protect a civil society. The question is what is the basis for the moral code it exists to protect. Is our moral code based on our heart or something else.

30 posted on 09/11/2013 2:30:32 PM PDT by wmfights
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To: Responsibility2nd

REASON: Governor Reagan, you have been quoted in the press as saying that you’re doing a lot of speaking now on behalf of the philosophy of conservatism and libertarianism. Is there a difference between the two?

REAGAN: If you analyze it I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism. I think conservatism is really a misnomer just as liberalism is a misnomer for the liberals–if we were back in the days of the Revolution, so-called conservatives today would be the Liberals and the liberals would be the Tories. The basis of conservatism is a desire for less government interference or less centralized authority or more individual freedom and this is a pretty general description also of what libertarianism is.

Now, I can’t say that I will agree with all the things that the present group who call themselves Libertarians in the sense of a party say, because I think that like in any political movement there are shades, and there are libertarians who are almost over at the point of wanting no government at all or anarchy. I believe there are legitimate government functions. There is a legitimate need in an orderly society for some government to maintain freedom or we will have tyranny by individuals. The strongest man on the block will run the neighborhood. We have government to insure that we don’t each one of us have to carry a club to defend ourselves. But again, I stand on my statement that I think that libertarianism and conservatism are travelling the same path.


31 posted on 09/11/2013 2:31:40 PM PDT by Perdogg (Cruz-Paul 2016)
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To: Olog-hai
The LORD still judges. A GOP that continues to abandon such conservative principles will be delivered into the hands of its enemies.

Sorry, most Christian churches have already delivered us into the hands of the athiest marxists, all in the name of "social justice."

32 posted on 09/11/2013 2:32:28 PM PDT by ClaytonP
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To: ClaytonP

most?


33 posted on 09/11/2013 2:33:17 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: BarnacleCenturion; Responsibility2nd

Entire Interview

http://reason.com/archives/1975/07/01/inside-ronald-reagan


34 posted on 09/11/2013 2:33:42 PM PDT by Perdogg (Cruz-Paul 2016)
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To: ClaytonP

This has been quantified?

And is this alleged takeover by libertarians in particular, or liberals . . . ?


35 posted on 09/11/2013 2:34:39 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Hugin

Once government takes on promoting values, don’t be surprised if they start promoting values you don’t like.”

Exactly. Most people in government are godless communists.

I don’t want them promoting their values at all.


36 posted on 09/11/2013 2:34:43 PM PDT by BarnacleCenturion
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To: Farnsworth

The big government RINO’s aren’t sincere about balancing the budget, spending less money, lowering taxes or about any social issue you can think of.

They say what people want to hear, do symbolic things like pretend to defund Obamacare as they plan to do soon and use that as basis to keep on re-electing them.

OVER 90 PERCENT OF ELECTED REPUBLICAN POLITICIANS ARE PHONIES AND NEED REPLACEMENT.


37 posted on 09/11/2013 2:34:49 PM PDT by Nextrush (BALANCED BUDGET NOW, PRESIDENT SARAH PALIN,CHANGE I BELIEVE IN)
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To: Perdogg

Thank you.

And if Reagan had issues with liberaltarians in 1975 - imagine his shock and horror at these idiots today.

Today - libertarians and conservatives are at polar opposites for what we want America to be.


38 posted on 09/11/2013 2:34:50 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: wmfights

I have no problem with people letting their religious values inform their opinion on public policy. I have a big problem with government telling people what those values should be.


39 posted on 09/11/2013 2:34:54 PM PDT by Hugin
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To: BarnacleCenturion
“I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism” -Ronald Reagan

One of the few times I will disagree with him.

An "anything goes" society is not a conservative principal. I don't believe conservatives support homosexual marriage, abortion (in fairness libertarians are split on this), or drug legalization.

40 posted on 09/11/2013 2:34:56 PM PDT by wmfights
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To: GeronL
most?

There seems to be only about 5% that are still decent. I'm just pulling that number out of my posterior based on my observations, its not scientific or anything.

41 posted on 09/11/2013 2:35:21 PM PDT by ClaytonP
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To: Hugin

Absolutely.I agree with lots of libertarian policy. Live and let live, so to speak. And, as another poster put it, keep congress from legislating matters where their authority shouldn’t even exist.


42 posted on 09/11/2013 2:37:15 PM PDT by Quickgun (I got here kicking,screaming and covered in someone else's blood. I can go out that way if I have to)
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To: GeronL
Civilized Society could withstand a few percentage of perverts in the closet quite easily.

Civilized Society can not withstand public and government approved celebrations of perversion while attacking those who disapprove. That society won’t survive long.

I completely agree!

What we see today is the small businessman who doesn't want to photograph a homosexual marriage, or the baker who doesn't want to make a wedding cake for a homosexual couple, are investigated by the state and put out of business. This is what libertarians ignore.

43 posted on 09/11/2013 2:38:36 PM PDT by wmfights
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To: Olog-hai
And is this alleged takeover by libertarians in particular, or liberals . . . ?

We won't have to worry about the fed pushing fag marriage and abortion when its no longer in their power to regulate it.

Its a better alternative than "Big Government for Jesus" which most of the social conservatives push for.

Funny how they are never successful with "Big Government for Jesus", but the power they covet gets wielded by liberals against all of us.

44 posted on 09/11/2013 2:39:02 PM PDT by ClaytonP
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To: wmfights

Libertarians are totally in favor of gay marriage and hate “Bible Thumpers”


45 posted on 09/11/2013 2:39:38 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: Responsibility2nd
Today - libertarians and conservatives are at polar opposites for what we want America to be.

Yeah, it sure would be a damned shame if everyone minded their own business and government was out of everyone's lives, wouldn't it?

46 posted on 09/11/2013 2:41:16 PM PDT by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: Hugin
I have a big problem with government telling people what those values should be.

Is outlawing murder a value?

Is outlawing theft a value?

Is outlawing sex with a minor a value?

47 posted on 09/11/2013 2:43:45 PM PDT by wmfights
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To: Perdogg

Thanks.

Full quote:

REASON: Governor Reagan, you have been quoted in the press as saying that you’re doing a lot of speaking now on behalf of the philosophy of conservatism and libertarianism. Is there a difference between the two?

REAGAN: If you analyze it I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism. I think conservatism is really a misnomer just as liberalism is a misnomer for the liberals


48 posted on 09/11/2013 2:44:15 PM PDT by BarnacleCenturion
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To: Orangedog

With libertarians wanting state sanctioned homo marriage, how is that staying out of our lives?

Libertarians are the scum of the earth and when they start on abolishing the age of consent (”unconstitutional”) for sex and porn and drugs people will figure that out.


49 posted on 09/11/2013 2:44:34 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: wmfights
What we see today is the small businessman who doesn't want to photograph a homosexual marriage, or the baker who doesn't want to make a wedding cake for a homosexual couple, are investigated by the state and put out of business. This is what libertarians ignore.

I think you would find most libertarians wouldn't support the state having the power to force someone to do business with anyone.

50 posted on 09/11/2013 2:44:59 PM PDT by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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