Posted on 09/28/2013 12:24:34 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
Mitt Romney thinks Obamacare is a bad law that will hurt the country, but disagrees with how conservatives in Washington are trying to get rid of it.
In an exclusive interview with CNN’s Jake Tapper, the 2012 Republican presidential nominee said using the politically charged Affordable Care Act as a wedge in Washington’s fiscal wars is counterproductive.
"We're more effective tactically not to use a shutdown of some kind to pursue the ... anti-Obamacare objective. I don't think that will be as effective," Romney said in the interview conducted on Friday in Boston.
"The tactic of using a government shutdown to try and push that will be counterproductive politically, that it's going to end up hurting our party, and it could well - it could be inconvenience, and hurt some individuals as well, and checks are late, and so forth," said Romney.
Romney, however, gave Republican Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas credit for speaking for more than 21 hours against the health care law, a marathon he called a "quasi filibuster."
But, Romney adds, "I think there's a better way of getting rid of Obamacare - my own view - and that is, one, delaying it by at least a year."
"The other would be potentially working hard to get Republicans elected to the House and Senate and they'd be able to do in a traditional way," said Romney....
(Excerpt) Read more at thelead.blogs.cnn.com ...
Shut down the gov’t so when and if this disaster manifests itself, as it just may do, the country will realize why it had to be stopped, if it were possible in any way, including shutting down the gov’t.
Romney is a progressive. He agrees with the democrats. Of course he’s going to disagree with Cruz.
who?
Polling shows shutting down Govt. is a disaster for republicans. The simple reason is only 1/2 the republicans think it is a good idea. It isn’t just Mittens, 25 senators voted for cloture. Cruz could only muster 19 votes. If we can’t hold our caucus what makes you believe the majority of Americans will back the play? Polling doesn’t show it, actions don’t show it, wishing won’t make it so.
I am not against anyone making a principled stand but to think this turd will smell like roses is a fantasy when the signs are out there.
That seals it. If Romney thinks it’s a bad idea, it must be golden.
Isn’t this the guy who after he lost, his son told people that his dad didn’t really want the Presidency? We should pay attention to him why?
Not funding Obamacare doesn’t defund the govt. It’s Reid and Obama who would shut it down voluntarily.
>> to think this turd will smell like roses is a fantasy
What is the ‘turd’ you’re referring to?
I agree, and if Romney and the rest of the Ruling Class hadn't worked so hard over the past 25 years to purge Reaganism out of the party, we wouldn't be going through all this.
It’s his right to disagree - but why go public with it???
Shutting down the gov. Look I know a lot of people think it will be “fun” to shut the whole thing down. I think it is bad policy. You said it would be rid and Obama’s fault if Gov shut down over Obamacare. I have heard the talking point. I like to win. We have tried 43 times to repeal Obamacare. Until you change the White House it is not going to happen. I have looked at the polling data. No matter how you frame it shutting down the Govt polls poorly. The numbers are around 65/35. In other words not close. Who gets blamed? No matter how you spin it the republicans are to blame in the neighborhood of 63/37.
The Dems came out with a new talking point, give us single payer or we will shut it down, they say see how absurd the notion is?
So yes the turd I mention is the policy of shutting the gov down. The reprocusions will be bad and it will get us no closer to the goal. As I said I would never say to anyone not to do it I just personally think it is a bad idea. If our caucus was together and the polling a little closer than maybe but it is not,
GIVE ME A BREAK.
REPEAL AND REPLACE THE GOP...
PALIN~CRUZ 2016
Romney so brilliant at tactics caved to the Dems on Romneycare.
Let’s start that conversation by acknowledging we aren’t going to deport 12 million illegal immigrants... bringing these workers out of the shadows and into being taxpaying members of society. Imagine 12 million people who are already here coming out of the shadows to become new taxpayers.12 million more people assimilating into society. 12 million more people being productive contributors. [but he’s not in favor of amnesty, snicker, definition of is is]
...by softening its edge on some volatile social issues and altering its image as the party always seemingly "eager to go to war... We do need to expand the party and grow the party and that does mean that we don't always all agree on every issue" ... the party needs to become more welcoming to individuals who disagree with basic Republican doctrine on emotional social issues such as gay marriage... "We're going to have to be a little hands off on some of these issues ... and get people into the party," Paul said.
Sometimes you need to lead rather than follow the polls. If the GOP gets Obamacare defunded or delayed for a year, every Republican and some independents and Dims will support the tactics. If they fold after a short shutdown, few will see the tactics as worth it.
It is impossible to get it delayed or not funded. For two years Obama has said he will not negotiate on debt ceiling or Obamacare. He has said all those things recently. An article out today also has spoken of his resolve on this. To do any of this it takes his signiture or 21 dem senators to override veto. So even if there is a shutdown how do you win.
I understand your point about polls. Sometimes when you lead you can flip public opinion. The problem is the public has seen 43 times repealing of Obamacare, a court battle, and now a shutdown? They see it as sour grapes. Every poll shows same thing Obamacare is either even or unfavorable by a few points but shutting the gov down over it is toxic.
As a policy move it is a bad play IMO.
Romney shut up and go away.
Now.
The point you might be missing is whose voters benefit the most from the government operating and thus would be hurt the most by it not operating? Do you think if the government does not operate for a bit, the GOP voters will be hurt more or the Dim voters?
So Obama can say whatever he wants. If the GOP Congress will not pass a CR without the Obamacare defunding or delay or if they refuse to raise the debt ceiling without the Obamacare defunding or delay, then the money won’t be there. Obama can huff and puff as much as he wants, but the money wont be there.
Heck a great strategy for the House would be to pass what they will accept and then LEAVE WASHINGTON. They also should refuse to talk to anyone in the national press. Then they can wait until enough Dim voters raise enough sand with Obama and the Dims and then a compromise can be worked out or they can just hold tough until they get what they passed.
We will see how it plays. I leave you with one huge thing. The republican caucus is in disarray. Cruz could only get 19 senators from his own. The Dems are holding together
Well I’m [expletive] stunned.
Hurting our party is paramount, but obamacare decimating our country and every one that goes to work gets no consideration.
I voted for him, and he'd be better than obama, but.......
Romney ... Romney ...Romney ... and who is he again???
Hey Mitt, go back under your rock. You disagree with most of the efforts to support our Constitution!
Romney should go play with his newly adopted Grandson.
Romnney you dip $#it! No cajones, that’s why you lost. Another rino quick to speak out against conservatives but never say a word against the “organizer in chief”.
This was the only play, played brilliantly.
Outcome exactly as planned. This is about ‘14.
To clarify, by ‘play’ I meant “played by Cruz et al”; the GOP can go to hell.
I’m posting this just to drive all those who are opposed to a “government shutdown” nuts. If the leadership follows this strategy they might wind up winners in this BS fight.
CITIZENS OF THE REPUBLIC IT IS TIME TO DO A RECALL
Those born 20 years ago have never seen or heard of this film clip.
Of the four passenger helicopter already overloaded with eight just barely lifting off its roof top heli-pad. Attached to its steel tube runner type landing gear below the fuselage were about a dozen more desperate people clinging to the gear . As the craft struggles to get airborne. it lurches skyward as one of those clinging to the steel tubes used as landing gear lets go. Falling to a death some 35 feet down to the refugee crowded lamding pad atop the Saigon American Embassy roof..
They were fleeing South Viet Nam through its closed US embassy because American support was withdrawn and denied .Leaving its army running out of ammo and conviction. Sold out by an American congress controled ironically by Democrats that decided to shed its support for a democratic form of government for what became a US ward to a socialist/communist replacement . It was a harbinger of what that political party will bring to the US 50 years later.
Because of Obamacare most recalling of defunding\ governemnt shutdowns simply goes back to Gingrich’s time when he was Speaker. This earlier defunding/ government shutdown had profound implications where hundreds of thousands died because of it. Like the constitutional constrains on central government. That abandonment of Viet Nam is hardly if ever mentioned or discussed in classrooms despite American humiliation could be demonstrated in that film clip described in this articles lead paragraph.. Because it was created by the Democrat party responding to the socialist/communist radicals that had taken over the “liberal arts eduicational industry” and were slowly taking that party over as well..
Not only did we lose a war because of it. But those same university socialist educators which encouraged this defunding , and dis-honoring the of the 58,000 deaths of our military. Also encouraged their charges to use humiliation such as calling retuning servicemen “baby killers” (only later to kill their own) and spitting in their faces. Their educational products are now on their own, borrowing a military term, R&R . Running and Ruining destroying this country . For this time the same group are now in control of that political party.
Changing it so much that in their 2012 convention booed any reference to “The Creator” ,God.. Demonstrating that any connection to the political party of JFK is gone. They are Democrat in name only and really Demo-Coms.. A term their present political opposition would choke on repeating . For the Republicans are.unable even to use the milder epithet “socialist”. The DCs are now demanding funding for a cherished socialist concept replete with 2000 pages of controls for the health collective. Controls which includes newly created bureaucracies for enforcement some under the direct control of the President .
Controls that:; Put thousands out of a 40 work week and reduced them to part time employees, Shut down physician hospitals, confiscated union health plans. prohibited private contracts with individual doctors, replaced medical specialists with socialist bureaucrats (death panels) Shut down medical insurance companies, or doubled the cost of health plans for starters...Yet not a word of this will be mentioned.by the complicit media apararatzicks running major visual media outlets.
For there is another example of the damage the media aparatzicks did and will continue to do until challanged. Expect a continuing of the racism charge.
OK ! Let’s see who started that ? It really began with the President of The United States implying an attacker was a “victim”. of a security guard doing his job when shot and killed by the guard defending himself..There seems to be a number of socialist agendas cited as Obama’s reasoning for doing this. One of which is living in collectives. However on Obama’s cue the propaganda arm swung into action with drastic results..
The guard a big Obama supporter was an “hispanic” who is part black with a.last name which is “jewish”. .Who’s doing surveilance in a posted private mixed race area of modest means experiencing robberies and burgalries by young blacks. Being such it’s legal to question anyone of blue, red, green,white, or black complexion as to their purpose being there. In this security guard situation he discontinued a surveilance after being suggested to do so by the police.The guard could have legally questioned the person under surveilance but instead allowed him to continue on his way uncontested. Only to have that person under surveilance as the guard was returning to his vehicle. knock the guard to the ground start beating his head against the sidewalk and wind up getting killed over a struggle the guards gun
Now consider all those congressional investigations going on. If somebody even suggests impeachment. Get to your black base voters, whom you’ve done nothing for, all worked up.
Pick on some security guard who’s doing his job and make him expendable. Time to employ propaganda devices. Emphasize that white jews last name! . Call that surveilance “stalking”!, The area he’s patrolling “public access” area not gated “owned by rich whiteys”,never mention the guard is part african and dark skinned.. Depict that person he’s watching a 10 year old black kid (show picture) a “victim” and a saint. Not a six foot 160 pound 16 year old, “who was killed in cold blood” and not who was killed fighting over a gun..The episode was given the full hyperbolic treatment which lasted for months and the results are clear..
Since this barrage of propaganda black youths have been using these devices as their excuse even citing the “victims” first name. Innocent whites, hispanics and asiains being murdered because of the inflamatory rhetoric composed of lies and missconceptions being driven by the regime and its supporters in the media begun by the President of the United States.. Obama has never disassociated himself from it, nor discouraged it.and the reasoning behind it ?
Well, he can’t. He was using lies and fabrications painting a target on that security guards back when he geared up his black base .Ain’t that neat ? What better way to discourage any investigation into malfeasance and corruption by organizing the base for riots in the streets ? Think it’s too far fetched ? Think it’s not working ? Look again http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3051558/posts
To date the political opposition known as Republican has yet to mention or comment on these examples of how this regime operates. Time to demand that they behave like political opposition or leave the rostrum !
Now is the time not to ask.but demand...
The Republican leadership was given the opportunity as they have in the past,while running the 2012 campaigns for Senate, House, and President an opportunity to spell out what was in Obamacare but didn’t http://www.theusmat.com/ or even mention Democrats had refused any reference to God in the Democratic at their 2012 convention .
Or comment on the the “Gated Community” episode which was used to furthur hyphenate; black from “hispanic,” from “white” Americans, which included Jews. Thus discarding the American Melting Pot history in favor of the socialist agenda. ....The demo-coms ruthelssly created a unconsionable use of the security guard incident to furthur their socialist agenda. That has resulted in martyrs because of its inflamatory assertions..And the political opposition ignores these glaring episodes while claiming to search for “demographics” in other directions ?.While the Republican legislative leadership plays rules games with Godless people who don’t believe in any rules or the constitution but theirs.
The GOPES (gop Elite Snobs)running the GOP campaigns and the party instead of confronting the enemy believe in “bi-partisanship” as the road to... oblivion.
Of course that has no correlation to this fight. Hope you read what Coburn said today.
Oh, yeah. George Romney, who joined other RINOS in the 60's to stab conservatives in the back.
NO, what did Coburn say today?
(I really don’t care, but I’m game.)
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