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Peter King: Itís Ted Cruz and Rand Paul who are the real RINOs
Hot Air ^ | October 11, 2013 | Allahpundit

Posted on 10/12/2013 1:13:50 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Via RCP. Wait, wait, wait — before you start shaking your first at him, isn’t his point here oddly simpatico with what tea partiers say every day about Beltway squishes like King himself? It all depends on what benchmark you use to define “Republican.” The Republican establishment of the past 10 years has been fiercely interventionist, willing to bend on civil liberties in the name of fighting terrorism, and happy to back new entitlement programs like Medicare Part D so long as their guy’s in the White House. Rand Paul, by contrast, tilts towards isolationism, wants to sue the NSA over its Bush/Obama surveillance programs, and opposes virtually all new forms of government spending. By the standards of 2000-2010 Republicanism, he is, quite literally, a Republican in name only — which is precisely why tea partiers, who hate what the GOP’s become, like him. King’s point here is a silly but oddly penetrating gloss on the story of the last two weeks, namely, what does “Republican” mean in 2013? Righties who hurl “RINO” as an insult don’t really mean that the target isn’t a Republican, they mean that he isn’t a conservative. Is “conservative” still a synonym for “Republican”? Was it ever, even under Reagan? The Paul/Cruz wing is trying to co-opt and redefine the Republican brand, which is valuable because it already enjoys the allegiance of nearly half the country, but maybe it can’t be done — which is why political media is suddenly full of stories like these and Gallup is asking questions like this. In fact, the whole point of a goofy 2016 Peter King presidential candidacy is to push this question into the spotlight (as if it wouldn’t already be there by virtue of Christie’s and/or Bush’s much more serious candidacies). Which side of the party still controls the “Republican” brand? RINOs versus true conservatives in the World Series of love.

Since we’re on the subject, can anyone explain to me how this strategy by centrist House Republicans is supposedly going to checkmate their tea-party colleagues?

Rep. Devin Nunes, R-Calif., is organizing a group of pragmatic conservatives, hoping to create a counterweight to the Tea Party-affiliated lawmakers that have thwarted House GOP leadership strategy leading up to, and during, the government shutdown.

Nunes corralled five Republican members, whom he declined to name, but told the Washington Examiner that he expects membership to grow to a dozen. Frustrated that a hardline minority of House Republicans stymied the strategies and legislation supported by a majority of the caucus, Nunes said the group intends to withhold their votes from any bill that does not garner the support of at least 208 of the 232 Republicans in the House.

Once 208 House Republicans get behind a particular legislative package, the Nunes group would deliver the final 10 votes needed to pass it. Nunes said the group’s chief priority is to prevent a minority of the caucus from blocking the will of the GOP majority. The Californian said his group will disband once the government shutdown ends and the battle over the debt ceiling concludes.

So, if 25 tea partiers in the House decided to vote no on one of Boehner’s measures because it’s not conservative enough, leaving him with 207 Republican votes, Nunes’s centrist gang will … also vote no, thereby helping the tea partiers by preventing passage? Why would he do that? The idea here, I guess, is that if Boehner ends up bringing a bill that’s backed by tea partiers, Nunes’s group will punish them and refuse to support unless they can get to 208 on their own. But … that shouldn’t be too hard. If tea partiers are fully on board with a particular bill and the leadership’s also on board, then the entire caucus has the political cover it needs to vote unanimously in favor. To create a real counterweight to the tea party, Nunes would need to find several dozen centrists, not just 10 or 12, who not only oppose tea-party policies but are willing to risk a primary to block them by withholding votes. And the only way he’ll get those centrists is if some sort of grassroots centrist counterweight to the tea party developed to support centrists in the primary. But that’s unlikely for simple psychological reasons: By definition, a centrist doesn’t see losing a political fight as a dire threat to the country the way someone on the left or right does. They don’t have the same motivation to turn out in the primaries to elect their guy as a conservative does. (Many centrists, I suspect, don’t pay close attention to politics, although whether that’s a cause or effect of their centrism is debatable.) And, despite David Frum’s fondest dreams, their annoyance at Cruz and Mike Lee for all this is unlikely to gestate into a grassroots movement. Which means Nunes is stuck at 10 or 12 and we’re left debating who the real “RINOs” are.


TOPICS: California; Kentucky; New York; Texas; Utah; Issues; Parties; U.S. Congress; U.S. Senate
KEYWORDS: abortion; california; cruz; davidfrum; deathpanels; devinnunes; kentucky; mikelee; newyork; obamacare; peterking; randpaul; tedcruz; texas; zerocare

1 posted on 10/12/2013 1:13:50 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Peter King = Big Bag of Wind!


2 posted on 10/12/2013 1:16:09 PM PDT by Brandonmark (OWCM is The new American Minority! 11.06.12 - Day of Infamy!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Why doesn’t King go butter up to Gerry Adams and his brother? He always has! Gerry Adams: murderer and enabler of his brother’s rapist, incestuous acts. I’m sure while King denounces Cruz, he is turning a blind eye to that vile Irish creature.


3 posted on 10/12/2013 1:16:53 PM PDT by miss marmelstein ( Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Someone please...challenge King in the primary. I’ll send a donation.

That ass-hat needs to be put out to pasture.


4 posted on 10/12/2013 1:17:10 PM PDT by RavenATB
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

5 posted on 10/12/2013 1:17:57 PM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
It's not a numbers game. You are not a "real" Republican just because a bunch of loser Republicans think you have a good plan. It should be a matter of principle. You are either right or wrong. You support the Constitution or you don't.

One man with courage is a majority. - Thomas Jefferson

6 posted on 10/12/2013 1:18:22 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (21st century. I'm not a fan.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

King Rinio runs his nasty mouth again.
Primary the POS.


7 posted on 10/12/2013 1:19:49 PM PDT by tennmountainman (Just Say No To Obamacare)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

He needs to take his psych meds. He could get Alan Greyson to share his.


8 posted on 10/12/2013 1:20:59 PM PDT by shankbear (The tree of Liberty appears to be perishing because there are few patriots willing to refresh it.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Representative from the State of Confusion.
Soviet Media @$ hat..

the House of Representative version of Juan McPain.

9 posted on 10/12/2013 1:21:01 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (who'll take tomorrow,$pend it all today;who can take your income & tax it all away..0'Blowfly can :-)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Perhaps he’s right.

The GOP has been dominated by Rockefellar/Nixon types who talk tough but pander to the left as soon as they can.

Reagan was a fluke they tried their damnedest to stop, and then appropriated for their own after he was wildly successful.

Rand and Cruz are RINOs because they are conservatives, just like Reagan.


10 posted on 10/12/2013 1:23:37 PM PDT by Shadow44
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

King is correct. He is a true Republican.

Cruz, Lee, Gohmert, etc. are conservatives.


11 posted on 10/12/2013 1:23:48 PM PDT by SharpRightTurn (White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’ve been telling people for years that I’m a Republican In Name Only because the fact that I am registered with that party is the only tie I have to it - literally “in name only”. And when I finally get around to changing my registration to Indiependent, even that tie will be gone.

Guys like McCain and Graham are true Republicans, as they now define themselves; the “go-along to get-along” party who “reaches across” and demonizes conservatism.

Like Rush has always said: “Words have meanings”. Think about what RINO really means and you’ll agree.


12 posted on 10/12/2013 1:23:50 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

BWAHAHAHAH!


13 posted on 10/12/2013 1:24:32 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

‘Republican’ doesn’t mean anything, Perhaps it would if we were soldiers in a civil war, trying to install a ‘Republic’ system over say, a monarchy.
But in modern American politics, its just a shell. Its a brand name, like ‘Democrats’. What does it mean to be a ‘Democrat’? That you like democracy? Well, rat ballot stuffing initiatives and ACORN escapades don’t really lend themselves to ‘democracy’.

What we’re battling over is the vehicle. We’re battling over who drives the car and who gets left out on the freeway....

So my advice to King would be, wear walking shoes, dumbass.


14 posted on 10/12/2013 1:29:04 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The King Collaborator spews again!


15 posted on 10/12/2013 1:36:54 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: Shadow44

Great point. One I often think about from time to time.
Reagan was the exception, not the rule.
This country has a long history of “Big Government “ mentality.
There are only a few exceptions, like Reagan.
Does not bode well for the future.


16 posted on 10/12/2013 1:38:02 PM PDT by tennmountainman (Just Say No To Obamacare)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
He's right, Conservatives are Republican In Name Only.
Because they are not Stalinists and Fascists.
17 posted on 10/12/2013 1:39:43 PM PDT by MaxMax (Pay Attention and you'll be pissed off too! FIRE BOEHNER, NOW!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
(from the article):" Rep. Devin Nunes, R-Calif., is organizing a group of pragmatic conservatives,, "

You mean VICHY rHINO Elites

18 posted on 10/12/2013 1:47:31 PM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt (Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; All

Given that Harvard Law School-indoctrinated Ted Cruz, and also Rand Paul, seem to never mention Congress’s Article I, Section 8-limited powers, there is some truth to King’s statement imo.

Can anybody provide links which reasonably substantiate that Cruz and Paul have a clue about Section 8?


19 posted on 10/12/2013 1:50:15 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: Shadow44

You’re exactly right. Conservatives have nothing in common with the establishment type of Republicans who sell us down the river every chance they get.


20 posted on 10/12/2013 1:52:06 PM PDT by Bullish (The only real solution is to abolish liberal democrats forever)
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To: bigbob

I agree 100%


21 posted on 10/12/2013 1:53:25 PM PDT by Bullish (The only real solution is to abolish liberal democrats forever)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Hey, KING! To me, you went from ‘leader’ to ‘Used Furniture Salesman’ literally overnight. BYE BYE RINO!


22 posted on 10/12/2013 1:56:30 PM PDT by LittleBillyInfidel (This tagline has been formatted to fit the screen. Some content has been edited.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

jack hole


23 posted on 10/12/2013 2:07:12 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: Brandonmark

Peter King=Piece of New York Shiite.


24 posted on 10/12/2013 2:26:26 PM PDT by Venturer (Keep Obama and you aint seen nothing yet.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yeah, Peter to you, they are RADICALS. To those who are on the right side of things they are RADICALS IN NAME ONLY.


25 posted on 10/12/2013 2:29:19 PM PDT by Captainpaintball (The ONLY people in the WORLD who are afraid of Barack Obama are Regressional Republicant's)
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King is completely correct. It’s not necessary to single out the GOP-e for mockery and derision. The “-e” is redundant because the vast majority deserve mockery, derision and much worst in many cases. The norm is now treasonous, traitorous scumbags. Good lordy you had TP candidates voting for the NDAA and NDRP.

If you have legitimate principles you don’t really belong in the Republican party and you should be considered a RINO. The shark has jumped the Rubicon.


26 posted on 10/12/2013 2:30:03 PM PDT by Hayride
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Is “conservative” still a synonym for “Republican”? Was it ever, even under Reagan?

'Conservative' has been a synonym for 'Republican' when the Republican party has been successful.

27 posted on 10/12/2013 2:38:11 PM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Lawn party vs tea party. Those ghastly patriots are embarrassing us in front of our good friend King Obama.


28 posted on 10/12/2013 3:05:14 PM PDT by BinaryBoy (Socialism is slavery.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Dear King,

Americans deserve to have more then one political party representing them. If the Republican's Parties views are the same as Obama's, then we only have one political party. And that should be a national security issue because it means democracy has ceased.

29 posted on 10/12/2013 3:10:27 PM PDT by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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30 posted on 10/12/2013 3:20:48 PM PDT by RedMDer (http://www.dontfundobamacare.com/)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Peter King of all people, figured out why the Republican Party has left me but, he doesn’t realize it.


31 posted on 10/12/2013 3:22:28 PM PDT by RedMDer (http://www.dontfundobamacare.com/)
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32 posted on 10/12/2013 3:29:57 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Peter King inspires me to civil disobedience. Gonna make sure I stay way down here in Florida.


33 posted on 10/12/2013 3:55:17 PM PDT by jch10 ("Normandy was closed when we got there too!")
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To: RavenATB
>> Someone please...challenge King in the primary. I’ll send a donation. That ass-hat needs to be put out to pasture. <<

We've been trying to since the Clinton impeachment 15 years ago. He just waits until the primary season to make the rounds of conservative talk shows and put on a big dog and pony show about how he's "serious" about deporting all illegal aliens and exposing radical Islam in the U.S.. A bunch of useful idiot conservatives decide all is forgiven and we "need" him in Congress because he's "one of the good guys when it counts" and the only one who "gets it" on the war on terror.

34 posted on 10/12/2013 4:03:47 PM PDT by BillyBoy (Liz Cheney's family supports gay marriage. Do you?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

So a “real” Republican is a panty-waisted, limp-wristed, socialist-lite supporting, caving, Democrat wannabe? Then I want nothing to do with them. They need to be retired and sent home.


35 posted on 10/12/2013 4:30:07 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (From time to time the tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

*ping* to read later...sounds like moon-pie to ME, lol!


36 posted on 10/12/2013 5:31:38 PM PDT by 88keys (I'm sorry, sir, I don't fit in a handbasket...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Pragmatic conservative = Socialist eunuch


37 posted on 10/12/2013 5:39:30 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

King is correct. I have been saying for a while that the term “RINO” only defines the GOP norm of which King and Pee-Wee Ryan are perfect examples. That’s I why I refer to King and his ilk as Vichy Republicans.


38 posted on 10/12/2013 5:46:39 PM PDT by chickenlips (Primary them all.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

And now, the establishment starts to crumble.


39 posted on 10/12/2013 5:46:45 PM PDT by chemicalman (The more support I see,the harder I want to work,and the more determined I am not to let folks down.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I am getting a side ache from laughing so hard. Bwahahaha.


40 posted on 10/12/2013 5:48:45 PM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I've been saying essentially the same thing. McCain isn't a RINO. He's absolutely establishbment Republican. He's not, by any stretch of the imagination, a conservative. He's a CINO. What we need are more actual conservatives. The republican party is simply not a conservative party in any kind of modern political sense.
41 posted on 10/12/2013 9:01:47 PM PDT by zeugma (Is it evil of me to teach my bird to say "here kitty, kitty"?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

That ‘splains a lot. Evidently GOPe and other RINOS are under the misconception that conservative values and principles are the problem and those who follow them are RINOs. I’m sure that they will come around if someone only explains their mistaken interpretation.....


42 posted on 10/13/2013 4:36:36 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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