Skip to comments.Peter King: Itís Ted Cruz and Rand Paul who are the real RINOs
Posted on 10/12/2013 1:13:50 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
Via RCP. Wait, wait, wait before you start shaking your first at him, isnt his point here oddly simpatico with what tea partiers say every day about Beltway squishes like King himself? It all depends on what benchmark you use to define Republican. The Republican establishment of the past 10 years has been fiercely interventionist, willing to bend on civil liberties in the name of fighting terrorism, and happy to back new entitlement programs like Medicare Part D so long as their guys in the White House. Rand Paul, by contrast, tilts towards isolationism, wants to sue the NSA over its Bush/Obama surveillance programs, and opposes virtually all new forms of government spending. By the standards of 2000-2010 Republicanism, he is, quite literally, a Republican in name only which is precisely why tea partiers, who hate what the GOPs become, like him. Kings point here is a silly but oddly penetrating gloss on the story of the last two weeks, namely, what does Republican mean in 2013? Righties who hurl RINO as an insult dont really mean that the target isnt a Republican, they mean that he isnt a conservative. Is conservative still a synonym for Republican? Was it ever, even under Reagan? The Paul/Cruz wing is trying to co-opt and redefine the Republican brand, which is valuable because it already enjoys the allegiance of nearly half the country, but maybe it cant be done which is why political media is suddenly full of stories like these and Gallup is asking questions like this. In fact, the whole point of a goofy 2016 Peter King presidential candidacy is to push this question into the spotlight (as if it wouldnt already be there by virtue of Christies and/or Bushs much more serious candidacies). Which side of the party still controls the Republican brand? RINOs versus true conservatives in the World Series of love.
Since were on the subject, can anyone explain to me how this strategy by centrist House Republicans is supposedly going to checkmate their tea-party colleagues?
Rep. Devin Nunes, R-Calif., is organizing a group of pragmatic conservatives, hoping to create a counterweight to the Tea Party-affiliated lawmakers that have thwarted House GOP leadership strategy leading up to, and during, the government shutdown.
Nunes corralled five Republican members, whom he declined to name, but told the Washington Examiner that he expects membership to grow to a dozen. Frustrated that a hardline minority of House Republicans stymied the strategies and legislation supported by a majority of the caucus, Nunes said the group intends to withhold their votes from any bill that does not garner the support of at least 208 of the 232 Republicans in the House.
Once 208 House Republicans get behind a particular legislative package, the Nunes group would deliver the final 10 votes needed to pass it. Nunes said the groups chief priority is to prevent a minority of the caucus from blocking the will of the GOP majority. The Californian said his group will disband once the government shutdown ends and the battle over the debt ceiling concludes.
So, if 25 tea partiers in the House decided to vote no on one of Boehners measures because its not conservative enough, leaving him with 207 Republican votes, Nuness centrist gang will
also vote no, thereby helping the tea partiers by preventing passage? Why would he do that? The idea here, I guess, is that if Boehner ends up bringing a bill thats backed by tea partiers, Nuness group will punish them and refuse to support unless they can get to 208 on their own. But
that shouldnt be too hard. If tea partiers are fully on board with a particular bill and the leaderships also on board, then the entire caucus has the political cover it needs to vote unanimously in favor. To create a real counterweight to the tea party, Nunes would need to find several dozen centrists, not just 10 or 12, who not only oppose tea-party policies but are willing to risk a primary to block them by withholding votes. And the only way hell get those centrists is if some sort of grassroots centrist counterweight to the tea party developed to support centrists in the primary. But thats unlikely for simple psychological reasons: By definition, a centrist doesnt see losing a political fight as a dire threat to the country the way someone on the left or right does. They dont have the same motivation to turn out in the primaries to elect their guy as a conservative does. (Many centrists, I suspect, dont pay close attention to politics, although whether thats a cause or effect of their centrism is debatable.) And, despite David Frums fondest dreams, their annoyance at Cruz and Mike Lee for all this is unlikely to gestate into a grassroots movement. Which means Nunes is stuck at 10 or 12 and were left debating who the real RINOs are.
Peter King = Big Bag of Wind!
Why doesn’t King go butter up to Gerry Adams and his brother? He always has! Gerry Adams: murderer and enabler of his brother’s rapist, incestuous acts. I’m sure while King denounces Cruz, he is turning a blind eye to that vile Irish creature.
Someone please...challenge King in the primary. I’ll send a donation.
That ass-hat needs to be put out to pasture.
One man with courage is a majority. - Thomas Jefferson
King Rinio runs his nasty mouth again.
Primary the POS.
He needs to take his psych meds. He could get Alan Greyson to share his.
Perhaps he’s right.
The GOP has been dominated by Rockefellar/Nixon types who talk tough but pander to the left as soon as they can.
Reagan was a fluke they tried their damnedest to stop, and then appropriated for their own after he was wildly successful.
Rand and Cruz are RINOs because they are conservatives, just like Reagan.
King is correct. He is a true Republican.
Cruz, Lee, Gohmert, etc. are conservatives.
I’ve been telling people for years that I’m a Republican In Name Only because the fact that I am registered with that party is the only tie I have to it - literally “in name only”. And when I finally get around to changing my registration to Indiependent, even that tie will be gone.
Guys like McCain and Graham are true Republicans, as they now define themselves; the “go-along to get-along” party who “reaches across” and demonizes conservatism.
Like Rush has always said: “Words have meanings”. Think about what RINO really means and you’ll agree.
‘Republican’ doesn’t mean anything, Perhaps it would if we were soldiers in a civil war, trying to install a ‘Republic’ system over say, a monarchy.
But in modern American politics, its just a shell. Its a brand name, like ‘Democrats’. What does it mean to be a ‘Democrat’? That you like democracy? Well, rat ballot stuffing initiatives and ACORN escapades don’t really lend themselves to ‘democracy’.
What we’re battling over is the vehicle. We’re battling over who drives the car and who gets left out on the freeway....
So my advice to King would be, wear walking shoes, dumbass.
The King Collaborator spews again!
Great point. One I often think about from time to time.
Reagan was the exception, not the rule.
This country has a long history of “Big Government “ mentality.
There are only a few exceptions, like Reagan.
Does not bode well for the future.
You mean VICHY rHINO Elites
Given that Harvard Law School-indoctrinated Ted Cruz, and also Rand Paul, seem to never mention Congress’s Article I, Section 8-limited powers, there is some truth to King’s statement imo.
Can anybody provide links which reasonably substantiate that Cruz and Paul have a clue about Section 8?
You’re exactly right. Conservatives have nothing in common with the establishment type of Republicans who sell us down the river every chance they get.
I agree 100%
Hey, KING! To me, you went from ‘leader’ to ‘Used Furniture Salesman’ literally overnight. BYE BYE RINO!
Peter King=Piece of New York Shiite.
Yeah, Peter to you, they are RADICALS. To those who are on the right side of things they are RADICALS IN NAME ONLY.
King is completely correct. It’s not necessary to single out the GOP-e for mockery and derision. The “-e” is redundant because the vast majority deserve mockery, derision and much worst in many cases. The norm is now treasonous, traitorous scumbags. Good lordy you had TP candidates voting for the NDAA and NDRP.
If you have legitimate principles you don’t really belong in the Republican party and you should be considered a RINO. The shark has jumped the Rubicon.
'Conservative' has been a synonym for 'Republican' when the Republican party has been successful.
Lawn party vs tea party. Those ghastly patriots are embarrassing us in front of our good friend King Obama.
Americans deserve to have more then one political party representing them. If the Republican's Parties views are the same as Obama's, then we only have one political party. And that should be a national security issue because it means democracy has ceased.
Peter King of all people, figured out why the Republican Party has left me but, he doesn’t realize it.
Lets start that conversation by acknowledging we arent going to deport 12 million illegal immigrants... bringing these workers out of the shadows and into being taxpaying members of society. Imagine 12 million people who are already here coming out of the shadows to become new taxpayers.12 million more people assimilating into society. 12 million more people being productive contributors. [but hes not in favor of amnesty, snicker, definition of is is]
...by softening its edge on some volatile social issues and altering its image as the party always seemingly "eager to go to war... We do need to expand the party and grow the party and that does mean that we don't always all agree on every issue" ... the party needs to become more welcoming to individuals who disagree with basic Republican doctrine on emotional social issues such as gay marriage... "We're going to have to be a little hands off on some of these issues ... and get people into the party," Paul said.
Peter King inspires me to civil disobedience. Gonna make sure I stay way down here in Florida.
We've been trying to since the Clinton impeachment 15 years ago. He just waits until the primary season to make the rounds of conservative talk shows and put on a big dog and pony show about how he's "serious" about deporting all illegal aliens and exposing radical Islam in the U.S.. A bunch of useful idiot conservatives decide all is forgiven and we "need" him in Congress because he's "one of the good guys when it counts" and the only one who "gets it" on the war on terror.
So a “real” Republican is a panty-waisted, limp-wristed, socialist-lite supporting, caving, Democrat wannabe? Then I want nothing to do with them. They need to be retired and sent home.
*ping* to read later...sounds like moon-pie to ME, lol!
Pragmatic conservative = Socialist eunuch
King is correct. I have been saying for a while that the term “RINO” only defines the GOP norm of which King and Pee-Wee Ryan are perfect examples. That’s I why I refer to King and his ilk as Vichy Republicans.
And now, the establishment starts to crumble.
I am getting a side ache from laughing so hard. Bwahahaha.
That ‘splains a lot. Evidently GOPe and other RINOS are under the misconception that conservative values and principles are the problem and those who follow them are RINOs. I’m sure that they will come around if someone only explains their mistaken interpretation.....
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