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(David Frum) A tea party exit would be a blessing for the GOP
CNN Op ^ | 10-14-2013 | David Frum

Posted on 10/15/2013 8:16:05 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot

"Do the Republican and Democratic parties do an adequate job of representing the American people, or do they do such a poor job that a third major party is required?"

A record 60% of Americans now yearn for a third major party, according to Gallup. Independents, unsurprisingly, are most likely to favor a third party, but a majority of self-described Republicans say yes, too. But what do they mean by that "yes"?

(snip) But here's a caution about third parties in American history: They are much more likely to arise on the fringes of the political system, not the center. ......

(snip) Pragmatists want to change the GOP so that it can win elections and govern effectively. Tea party Republicans prefer to express their principles regardless of consequences, which is why the Pew survey in September found that 71% of them favored a government shutdown even though nearly 40% of them expected that shutdown to have a "major" impact on the economy. .....

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1 posted on 10/15/2013 8:16:05 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot
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To: Sir Napsalot

Yes, GOPe aks the Stupid Party, take advice from David Frum. See how that works for ya, dumbazzes...


2 posted on 10/15/2013 8:17:45 AM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: Sir Napsalot
Sorry David. I elected Senator Cruz to be in Washington getting up the noses of liberals of both parties. He's going to be there for a while, and there isn't a damn thing you can do about it.

/johnny

3 posted on 10/15/2013 8:17:48 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Sir Napsalot

Smoke it while you can Dave. We’re just getting started.


4 posted on 10/15/2013 8:17:59 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: Sir Napsalot

A Tea Party exit is a DEATH SENTENCE for the GOP.


5 posted on 10/15/2013 8:18:08 AM PDT by Viennacon
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To: Sir Napsalot

I love it when demtards and rino’s offer their help to us, and make recommendations on what we should do to defeat them.

I never would have known how bad the TEA party is without them.

And they only have our best interests in mind...

THANKS!


6 posted on 10/15/2013 8:18:12 AM PDT by Mr. K (Lies, Damned Lies, Statistics, and then Democrat Talking Points.)
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To: Sir Napsalot
But what do they mean by that "yes"?

We want the David Frums of the world to depart our conservative party.

7 posted on 10/15/2013 8:18:28 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie ("So the minimum plan for obamacare is 100 bucks a month I like you Obama but nigga I'm broke")
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To: Sir Napsalot

They are really getting scared of the Tea Party the closer we get to 2014. The more articles I read about how unpopular they are, and how they are blocking everything, the more I am convinced the opposite is true..


8 posted on 10/15/2013 8:19:30 AM PDT by cardinal4 (Is Obama's caddy considered "essential personnel"?)
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To: Sir Napsalot
(David Frum) A tea party exit would be a blessing for the GOP

Of course he thinks it would be a blessing, because it would ensure that the GOP would not win another presidential election.

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It could also have unintended consequence -- a strong conservative party could emerge and replace the GOP as an effective opposition party.

If that were to happen, the remaining GOP would eventually merge with the Democrats, as their philosophies are closer.
9 posted on 10/15/2013 8:19:55 AM PDT by TomGuy (.)
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To: Sir Napsalot

What Frum and other dumb-dumbs refuse to get is that their never-ending quest to ‘win elections and govern effectively’ is not winning elections and is destroying the country. To the DC class, ‘governing effectively’ is McCain-world for the Republicans buying into 60% of the Democratic plan and signing off on it in a civilized manner. That is successful governing to the political class...Not upsetting the DC media. Not being concerned about the direction of the country or the well-being of people, or responding to the wishes of their voters.

No thanks.


10 posted on 10/15/2013 8:20:49 AM PDT by ilgipper (Obama is proving that very bad ideas can be wrapped up in pretty words)
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To: Sir Napsalot

Ah, the Frumtard speaks!
He’d love a pure one party system of complete and total Dem rule it seems.
All this “not going along to get along” makes him itch I guess.
He sees complete and total surrender to the liberal point of view as “pragmatic”, he forgets that surrendering to the Dems in the past two presidential elections and nominating a left leaning candidate has not worked.


11 posted on 10/15/2013 8:21:11 AM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: Sir Napsalot
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12 posted on 10/15/2013 8:21:31 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Mr. K

As if they’ll suddenly love Republicans if the Tea Party leaves.

Look at how they treated Romney and McCain when they were the nominees, they might as well have been tea-partiers to them.

And don’t think if Christie is the nominee, they won’t treat him exactly the same.


13 posted on 10/15/2013 8:21:49 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Sir Napsalot

Yeah, just as Reagan’s exit from office was a blessing, so they could go back to losing again.


14 posted on 10/15/2013 8:23:14 AM PDT by cotton1706
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To: Sir Napsalot

Oh I see...it is more important to ‘win’ the election than to stand up and be counted for what you believe in..I get it, But NO Thank You. I am a stand up for what you believe in person. Win or Not.


15 posted on 10/15/2013 8:23:30 AM PDT by Ramonne
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To: Sir Napsalot
Yes. Then they could go back to being the Washington Generals of politics. The genial spirit of Bob Michel could reign over the Capitol again and Upper West Side cocktail parties would again be cosy places for kept faux conservative pundits.
16 posted on 10/15/2013 8:24:14 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Is John's moustache long enough YET?)
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To: Sir Napsalot

A new party - an American Party - is absolutely necessary if the US is not to continue devolving into a soviet style mullahcracy.

It may be too late already.


17 posted on 10/15/2013 8:24:22 AM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com/2013/10/04/nicolae-hussein-obama/)
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To: Sir Napsalot

He seems to forget that the GOP began as a third party. It was a breakaway faction of the Whigs.


18 posted on 10/15/2013 8:25:12 AM PDT by Squawk 8888 (I'd give up chocolate but I'm no quitter)
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To: Sir Napsalot

Dear Mr. Frum:

See Congressional election, 2010.

Sincerely,

ReaganUberAlles


19 posted on 10/15/2013 8:25:30 AM PDT by Reagan‹berAlles
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To: dfwgator
And don’t think if Christie is the nominee, they won’t treat him exactly the same.

Christie is the preferred candidate of the Main Stream Media. They can't wait for him to get the nomination, and then they'll turn on him relentlessly.

I can only imagine Mika doing a 180, as she focuses on his weight, i.e. "we can't have an obese man in the White House, what kind of message would that send to the world?"

20 posted on 10/15/2013 8:25:59 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (The Tea Party was the earthquake, and Chick Fil A the tsunami...100's of aftershocks to come.)
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To: Sir Napsalot

Hey David, the Tea Party splitting from you moderates would be a blessing for us, the end of the GOP as a viable political party, and it gives an opportunity for a new political movement to expand freely and openly with the American people.


21 posted on 10/15/2013 8:27:00 AM PDT by dowcaet
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To: Reagan√úberAlles

PS (To Mr. Frum) Tea Party will add to its ranks in November 2014. We are not going away.


22 posted on 10/15/2013 8:27:20 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (The Tea Party was the earthquake, and Chick Fil A the tsunami...100's of aftershocks to come.)
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To: Night Hides Not

Yep.


23 posted on 10/15/2013 8:27:33 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: TomGuy
a strong conservative party could emerge and replace the GOP as an effective opposition party.

That's exactly what happened in Canada- the Progressive Conservative party split and a new party took over the conservative movement. The downside is that the process took 15 years in opposition.

24 posted on 10/15/2013 8:28:05 AM PDT by Squawk 8888 (I'd give up chocolate but I'm no quitter)
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To: Paine in the Neck

That’s the way the GOPe likes it....All the perks, none of the responsibility.


25 posted on 10/15/2013 8:28:10 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Sir Napsalot
Pragmatists want to change the GOP so that it can win elections and govern effectively. Tea party Republicans prefer to express their principles regardless of consequences, which is why the Pew survey in September found that 71% of them favored a government shutdown even though nearly 40% of them expected that shutdown to have a "major" impact on the economy.

how'd all that pragmatism work out last November??
26 posted on 10/15/2013 8:29:38 AM PDT by God luvs America (63.5 million pay no income tax and vote for DemoKrats...)
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To: Sir Napsalot

David Frump who?


27 posted on 10/15/2013 8:32:00 AM PDT by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: Viennacon

A Tea Party exit is a DEATH SENTENCE for the GOP.
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As Rush Limbaugh says, the Left always tells you what they fear. The “Tea Party” portion of the Republican party is rapidly growing and with the 2014 election they may well have the numbers to take control/leadership of the Republicans in the House of Representatives. That, combined with a Republican majority (buttressed by more newly elected conservative Republican Senators) in the Senate after the 2014 election, is giving the ruling elite nightmares. And they are doing everything possible to prevent this from happening. Folks, let’s not help them. We are rapidly approaching the time when we reclaim the Republican party. Don’t let the progressives distract you from working toward this goal.


28 posted on 10/15/2013 8:32:03 AM PDT by House Atreides ( D)
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To: dowcaet

Hey David, the Tea Party splitting from you moderates would be a blessing for us, the end of the GOP as a viable political party, and it gives an opportunity for a new political movement to expand freely and openly with the American people.
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IMHO you are doing the work of the progressive Democrats, whether you know it or not.


29 posted on 10/15/2013 8:34:23 AM PDT by House Atreides ( D)
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To: Sir Napsalot
Forget all the politics for a sec. It is a very, very simple question, David: Is the country broke/close to being broke or is it not?

The Tea Party has a remedy, the GOP and the Rats want to keep digging.

30 posted on 10/15/2013 8:34:53 AM PDT by deadrock (I am someone else.)
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To: Sir Napsalot

Lord Haw Haw speaketh.


31 posted on 10/15/2013 8:35:30 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: Sir Napsalot

Nothing a second Reagan Revolution couldn’t cure. Keep the party, kick to the curb those who are RINOs and Dem sympathizers. “Bold colors, no pastels!”


32 posted on 10/15/2013 8:35:53 AM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.......)
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To: House Atreides

Onward to victory!


33 posted on 10/15/2013 8:36:19 AM PDT by Viennacon
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To: Sir Napsalot

Why? So the GOP can capitulate to obama’s every whim? Why have two parties? Obama is down to 37% approval right now. Why should we give him what he wants and be a part of the destruction of our healthcare system and peoples’ personal finances? Frum is such a loser


34 posted on 10/15/2013 8:37:23 AM PDT by jersey117
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To: Sir Napsalot

And life as a permanent minority party would be just peachy for Frum and the GOP. The Tea Party might not enjoy the liberation of becoming another minor, third party. The better course of action is for the GOP to become the party of the Tea Party and Ted Cruz in the same way it was once the party of Lincoln.


35 posted on 10/15/2013 8:38:08 AM PDT by pallis
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To: Sir Napsalot; All

David, David, David - - - - .

The TAXED ENOUGH ALREADY citizens are the former SILENT MAJORITY citizens in terms of core values, attitudes, and lack of tolerance for “Leftstream” Media proponents like you.


36 posted on 10/15/2013 8:39:35 AM PDT by Graewoulf (Traitor John Roberts' Marxist Obama'care' Insurance violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: bmwcyle
David Frump who?

a.k.a. David Frum d' Rear.

37 posted on 10/15/2013 8:41:31 AM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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To: Sir Napsalot
Did (or did not) the same numbskull (Frum) gleefully declared “Thank goodness, The Tea Party Is Over” (paraphrasing) in 2011?
38 posted on 10/15/2013 8:42:03 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: Sir Napsalot

Tea Party goes, and the GOP dies with it.


39 posted on 10/15/2013 8:42:20 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: Sir Napsalot

Mr. Frum doing his best to encourage the GOP to become a dying, shrinking, irrelevant fringe party.


40 posted on 10/15/2013 8:43:14 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Sir Napsalot
"Pragmatism" and "governing effectively" are very, very important things to Progressives like David Frum, who view government as the source of human rights and of the conditions required for material prosperity and progress.

The Tea Party, in their eyes is an unsightly mob, a rabble of ill-educated and uninformed boobs who lack the intelligence and sophistication to understand how the world really works. To people like Frum, only Harvard-educated and well-bred sophisticates with refined Manhattan tastes are suited for leadership roles.

Why on earth should Republicans wrap their arms around Duck Dynasty when they can have "Bush Dynasty" instead? And they won't even have to send their Armani suits to the dry cleaners, afterward.

T. Coddington Van Voorhees VII lives on! Tally ho! Brie and chablis for all!

41 posted on 10/15/2013 8:49:19 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (Cogito, ergo armatum sum.)
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To: piytar

I never understood why this Canadian liberal thinks he knows anything about the GOP.


42 posted on 10/15/2013 8:50:05 AM PDT by darkangel82
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To: House Atreides
...That, combined with a Republican majority (buttressed by more newly elected conservative Republican Senators) in the Senate after the 2014 election, is giving the ruling elite nightmares. And they are doing everything possible to prevent this...

Bump

43 posted on 10/15/2013 8:53:35 AM PDT by VRW Conspirator (Producing Talk Show Prep since 1998.)
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To: Sir Napsalot
Has David Frum gone back on the LSD again? These inside the DC Beltway Boys really need to get out of their protective cocoons and live among real people who are deeply concerned and love this country. Sorry, David, you FAIL on all accounts.
44 posted on 10/15/2013 8:55:34 AM PDT by MasterGunner01
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To: Sir Napsalot

The GOP is going to leave before the Tea Party. At the rate the GOP-e is a screwing things up they won’t have to worry about 2014.The conservatives will be staying home..


45 posted on 10/15/2013 8:59:07 AM PDT by puppypusher (The World is going to the dogs.)
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To: Sir Napsalot

You got it, buddy!

Next time the homosexuals like Frum get another RINO through the Primary you can count us OUT. Go get you Independents and all those Latinos.

Bwahahahaha.... what a loser.


46 posted on 10/15/2013 8:59:23 AM PDT by Obadiah (I Like Ted.)
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To: Sir Napsalot

then we’ll have the democrats, the democrats-in-training, and the TEA party.


47 posted on 10/15/2013 9:06:21 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Sir Napsalot

What a douche. He doesn’t understand he is a member of the 1850 Whigs looking at a brand new party full of energized VICTORS.


48 posted on 10/15/2013 9:08:17 AM PDT by LS ('Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually.' Hendrix)
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To: Sir Napsalot
A greater blessing would be for know-it-all liberal in RINO clothing Frum to return to his native Canada, and forever shut his ignorant mouth about US politics.

Frum is PMSNBC's idea of a “conservative.”

49 posted on 10/15/2013 9:10:23 AM PDT by mojito (Zero, our Nero.)
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To: TomGuy
a strong conservative party could emerge and replace the GOP as an effective opposition party

That seems to be the way things are headed.

50 posted on 10/15/2013 9:17:25 AM PDT by Guttlekraw
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