Skip to comments.The Republican civil war is just getting started
Posted on 10/18/2013 9:03:41 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
The future of the GOP?
With the government shutdown and debt ceiling fight in the rearview mirror, Republicans can move on to more important matters like determining which of the party's warring factions will control the GOP going forward.
The recent fiscal fist-fighting ostensibly pit Republicans against Democrats, but the real power struggle was between Tea Partiers and the GOP establishment. The conflict, bubbling beneath the surface for some time, finally boiled over into a messy public spat that, even as the shutdown came to a close, showed no signs of stopping.
The fissure has been growing since 2010, when the Tea Party ousted establishment candidates in favor of their own contenders. What was then a populist revolt has since rocketed congressional neophytes like Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) to the forefront of the party's ideological and tactical debates, giving the hard right newfound legislative muscle. Just look at how Cruz and company dragged the party into a shutdown strategy that even Karl Rove said "no sentient being" believed would ever work.
As the shutdown came to a close Wednesday night, Cruz seized the microphone to mourn his failed strategy and to once again lash out at his colleagues. In a bold display of hubris, he accused his fellow Republican senators of spoiling his gambit by "bombing our own troops."
Moderate establishment types struck back. Perhaps the oldest of the old guard, Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) who called Cruz and his cohorts "wacko birds" earlier this year, and who criticized the shutdown tactic from the start took a victory lap on Twitter.....
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Is part of the democrats strategy?
In a bold display of hubris, he accused his fellow Republican senators of spoiling his gambit by “bombing our own troops.”
THAT was a bold display of hubris? Have these retards heard the crapola from the likes of Boxer, Reid, Obama, McLame, King?
Cruz scares these people worse than Reagan did.
“Karl Rove said “no sentient being” believed would ever work”
What would Rove know of sentient beings? Ha! Santa, put a mirror under Rove’s tree this year.
“like determining which of the party’s warring factions will control the GOP going forward.”
I don’t consider it a war, I consider it more of an emancipation proclamation being given to the GOP by true Conservatives.
There will be no hope for the country, unless the Tea Party types take over and control the Republican Party. Sadly, there is not much hope of that happening. Unfortunately, a third party would be another disaster. Even sadder, I am afraid that the USA will be the USSA, in a Communist winter for many years.
I just filled my car with $2.95 gas!
If we’d started a war in Syria like the “grownups” wanted, it would be $5.95.
Sit back and watch the establishment GOP slime the tea partiers as “isolationists” and anti-semites.
“they want their cheap labor”
I am not buying that. Yes, some of business may be in need of cheap labor, but most of that is already lost to imports.
Even if they get some cheap Mexican labor in residence, how long can it last? Unions will be on them like stink on you know what.
Businesses that need cheap labor should lobby for guest worker programs, not open boarders.
The “war” will be between the elitist RINO faction on one side (with almost no invested constituency beyond the monied country club, especially true in winnable red states)and the rank-and-file conservatives, values voters, tea party activists, and many libertarians on the other side.
The Republican Party is just a very small elitist group that believes in “accommodation” the way Karensky and Dubcek thought it was possible to coexist with communists. The sooner the Republican Party is rendered entirely defunct the better.
Karensky and Dubcek lost. The freedom fighters bent on destroying the Bolsheviks won. And they will win again because communism fails—absolutely.
The unvoiced assumption in this formulation is that to fight is to lose. Hence the "fighting caucus" is labeled the "suicide caucus". If to fight is to lose, then why not preemptively surrender? That's the inescapable logic of the Republican Elites, aka the Fascist enabler caucus for whom no fight is worth the effort.
What good are they if this is their attitude? Every fight worth fighting is worth fighting to win, and no fight worth winning comes with a guaranteed outcome.
These phony Washington GOP leeches, sucking as they do at the leftover drips of the Democrat teat, will never be any good to the upright, self-reliant American man and woman. They need to be drummed out in disgrace.
That’s Kerensky. Alexander Kerensky. I’m proud to have shaken his hand, as a matter of fact.
Here's the passage at issue:In the 1980s, the war caucus in Congress armed bin Laden and the mujaheddin in their fight with the Soviet Union. In fact, it was the official position of the State Department to support radical jihad against the Soviets. We all know how well that worked out.Let's leave aside for now the insulting, utterly asinine, sickening, inexcusable use of the phrase "war caucus" to describe those (including Reagan!) who supported the mujaheddin against the Soviets. That word choice alone is almost entirely disqualifying for its purveyor to ever be president.
Instead, let's just look at a little history here -- because the ignorance evident in this paragraph is truly astonishing. One would be hard pressed to find even a single historian, whether right, left, or center, who would argue anything other than that the Soviet failure in Afghanistan was not just a huge factor, but probably an essential one, in the Soviets' ultimate loss of the Cold War. [Rand Pauls Really Ignorant Paragraph | 7 Feb 2013]
Rand Slams Congress for Funding Egypt’s Generals:
‘How Does Your Conscience Feel Now?’
Foreign Policy | 15 Aug 2013 | John Hudson
Posted on 08/15/2013 5:44:10 PM PDT by Hoodat
Sen. Rand Paul is hammering his fellow senators for keeping billions in financial aid flowing to Egypt’s military — even as Cairo’s security forces massacre anti-government activists.
[by “anti-government activists” is meant church-burning jihadists]
Lets start that conversation by acknowledging we arent going to deport 12 million illegal immigrants... bringing these workers out of the shadows and into being taxpaying members of society. Imagine 12 million people who are already here coming out of the shadows to become new taxpayers.12 million more people assimilating into society. 12 million more people being productive contributors. [but hes not in favor of amnesty, snicker, definition of is is]
...by softening its edge on some volatile social issues and altering its image as the party always seemingly "eager to go to war... We do need to expand the party and grow the party and that does mean that we don't always all agree on every issue" ... the party needs to become more welcoming to individuals who disagree with basic Republican doctrine on emotional social issues such as gay marriage... "We're going to have to be a little hands off on some of these issues ... and get people into the party," Paul said.
This author seems to assume the GOP should lose, whether by surrender or by “suicide”.... some how those are the only two options?
Oh, and your version of history ain’t quite right. Kerensky lost, yes, but not because he was too accommodating to the Bolsheviki. He lost because the Army and Navy collapsed.
Again, I like seeing this kind of reportage on Yahoo news, where many low-information types get their news. After all, it was the upstart Obama who tore up the annointed Hillary’s campaign and captured the support of the youth who identified with the “outsider” and ignored what the political gurus had ordained.
There are a lot of Ron Paul supporters floating around out there looking for a candidate they can support.
America demands Justice for the Fallen of Benghazi!