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Is The Establishment GOP Preparing For War With The Tea Party?
Noodle Pundit ^ | October 23, 2013 | Matt Vespa

Posted on 10/23/2013 8:12:14 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Hot Air’s Allahpundit and Erika Johnsen have both documented a growing movement to boot Tea Party members of Congress over the next two election cycles. It seems that the business community is behind this conspiracy; horrified over the fact that a rather significant proportion of Republicans in Washington were willing to roll the dice on default. In the aftermath of the government shutdown, which was highly enjoyable, the Republican establishment is striking back – and one of their targets in the Senate is Mike Lee.

[In Utah,] prominent Republicans and local business executives are openly discussing the possibility of mounting a primary challenge against him. Top Republicans are also maneuvering to redesign the party’s nomination system in a way that would likely make it more difficult for Lee to win reelection in 2016…

Spencer Zwick, a Utah native and national finance chairman for Mitt Romney’s 2012 presidential campaign, was more direct, calling Lee a “show horse” who “just wants to be a spectacle.”

“Business leaders that I talk to, many of whom supported him, would never support his reelection and in fact will work against him, myself included,” Zwick said…

“You don’t have ideological wack-jobs,” [former Utah Gov. Jon] Huntsman said. “For all of its labeling as a red state, underneath it all Utah is a pretty pragmatic Western state, a just-get-it-done ethos.

In fact, Allahpundit noted that the business community is what’s keeping John McCain in the “maybe” column concerning his decision to run for re-election in 2016. Neil King, Jr. at the Wall Street Journal added:

Even before the shutdown brought Mr. Lee to national prominence, some Utah party and business leaders had begun a $1 million petition drive to overturn the state’s caucus system that brought him to power. That system, which gives grass roots delegates a large say in picking party nominees, toppled incumbent GOP Sen. Robert Bennett —a more conventional conservative—in 2010 amid a wave of anger over passage of the health-care law. Mr. Lee went on to win the seat that November…

Republican circles are now rife with talk of who might challenge Mr. Lee in 2016. So far, no one is firmly raising a hand. But the Count My Vote initiative to do away with the state’s caucus system, backed by many of the state’s largest GOP donors and business names, represents perhaps the best-organized effort in the country to counteract the tea-party wave in the 2010 elections.

Mr. Lee could face a tougher route to re-election in 2016 if GOP caucuses are replaced with a direct primary. That would allow a more centrist candidate to make an appeal to all Republican voters, not just the activists who dominate caucuses, political observers say.

There are a lot of potential challengers to Lee, including the former chair of Utah’s Republican Party, former Governor Jon Huntsman, and former FreedomWorks-backed Dan Liljenquist; he’s the state senator who tried to primary Orrin Hatch in 2012. That’s just ironic.

Although, Allahpundit leaves us with this question.

Will national establishment Republican groups get involved or will a primary against one of the heroes of “defund” be too hot for them to risk in 2016? They’ll be sorely tempted to jump in — not because they have any special animosity for Lee, who’s way more low-key in his criticisms of them than a loud-and-proud flamboyant populist like Ted Cruz is, but because at a minimum they might be able to suck tea-party money into Utah to protect that seat and away from primary challenges to GOP incumbents in other states. If they can force TPers to fight there, they’ll take that — putting the grassroots on the defensive means they’re less of a threat to go on offense elsewhere. If they can’t force TPers to fight there, they’ll take that too — that’ll leave Lee in real jeopardy of being primaried, which, like I said above, would be a big symbolic victory for RINOs everywhere. Then again, at the rate we’re going, the GOP and the tea party will be two fully separate entities by 2016, so maybe this is all academic.

Indeed.

After all, Lee’s re-election isn’t for another three years. At that time, the government shutdown will be a distant memory. Additionally, are establishment Republicans willing to spend monies against Tea Party candidates in a year where conservatives could be facing the Clinton Clinton machine?

There is no doubt that without the GOP would be a diminished presences in the Senate and a sad minority in the House. As a result, what’s to be gained by trying to find ways to annihilate the grassroots swell that is keeping the Republican Party alive? Furthermore, the Tea Party may have won since the Obama administration isn’t taking delaying the individual mandate off the table due to the fiasco related to the website.


TOPICS: Utah; Campaign News; Issues; Parties; State and Local
KEYWORDS: cruz; cruzteaparty; gopvsteaparty; immigration; jonhuntsman; mikelee; rinos; romney; selfimmolation; spencerzwick; teaparty; tedcruz; utah

1 posted on 10/23/2013 8:12:14 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This is a question? Ha. Where ya been?


2 posted on 10/23/2013 8:14:30 PM PDT by Ray76 (Get thee behind me, Obama.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Third party by force.


3 posted on 10/23/2013 8:16:07 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Just try coming after Mike Lee, you disgusting cretins!

We’ll bring conservatives from all across this country down to Utah to picket your damn offices!

Notice they can’t actually beat Lee, so they’re changing the rules.
F U ESTABLISHMENT!!! WE WILL NOT BE MOCKED! You’re going down in 2014 so bad, you’ll still be on the floor in 2016. You and your crony donors!


4 posted on 10/23/2013 8:17:26 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Is the Pope Catholic?


5 posted on 10/23/2013 8:20:03 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’m not ready to get violent. But I challenge any wormy RINO to arm wrestle or a foot race or a debate.


6 posted on 10/23/2013 8:23:20 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (On the evening of 10/16/13, the ailing republican party breathed its last breath.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

When it comes time for the tar and the feathers, the vast majority of my supplies will be reserved for Republican elitists.


7 posted on 10/23/2013 8:24:38 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I am so disgusted with business. They are the ones who bankroll the RINO’s whose only playbook is to see how far left the Democrats went, and meet them halfway. Rince and repeat until everybody is so far left they don’t remember how they got there, while the GOP is still called “right-wing!” If they keep going, businesses would be bankrolling essentially communism!


8 posted on 10/23/2013 8:25:19 PM PDT by winner3000
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’m not ready to get violent. But I challenge any wormy RINO to arm wrestle or a foot race or a debate.

Oh I forgot to say “I agree with the tea party”. But I am not a member. FIB my whole life.


9 posted on 10/23/2013 8:25:32 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (On the evening of 10/16/13, the ailing republican party breathed its last breath.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The GOP is on a suicide run


10 posted on 10/23/2013 8:25:42 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I smell a rove.


11 posted on 10/23/2013 8:26:42 PM PDT by 43north (BHO: 50% black, 50% white, 100% RED)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

2014 is gonna feel like Custer’s Last Stand to the GOPe DC blood suckers.


12 posted on 10/23/2013 8:27:40 PM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Bring it chumps!


13 posted on 10/23/2013 8:27:42 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (ObamaCare should have been tested on politicians first!)
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To: Viennacon

2016 Utah vs 2014 Arkansas UPDATE
http://datechguyblog.com/2013/10/23/2016-utah-vs-2014-arkansas/


14 posted on 10/23/2013 8:28:44 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ted Cruz/Sarah Palin 2016)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The spineless are peeing into a gale.


15 posted on 10/23/2013 8:29:39 PM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Roberts has perverted the Constitution)
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To: GeronL

Just like these idiots to try something like this when they can put the wood to BO over so many things. The dems would never make this mistake. I do envy their fanatical commitment sometimes.


16 posted on 10/23/2013 8:29:54 PM PDT by Dr. Pritchett
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

So, now the Business Republicans are coming after the grassroots conservatives.

Yeah..yeah...Third Parties are for losers....but why exactly, should I stay in the Republican Party, again?

To shut up, be quiet and be a nice little peasant for the D and R Establishment?


17 posted on 10/23/2013 8:36:07 PM PDT by rbmillerjr (We have No Opposition to Obam a's Socialist Agenda:)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The GOPe knows it’s RINO season.


18 posted on 10/23/2013 8:39:48 PM PDT by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs assist!)
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To: Lazamataz

I’ve been saving feathers my whole life so I could make designer wings when I got to heaven, but then I thought, well, heaven prolly has all that stuff already and just what if I end up NOT in heaven...you know? So I am going to donate all my feathers for the cause and special order deliveries of ice water for the other thing every day.


19 posted on 10/23/2013 8:40:58 PM PDT by MestaMachine (Towanda! Charge!!! A Fuwappiduh is called for in 5, 4, 3 ,2.....Dang, that was awesome, Dudes......)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The tea party swept the 2010 elections and remains strong within the caucus. Any talk that the R establishment might go after the tea party has to be considered media fabrication.


20 posted on 10/23/2013 8:42:11 PM PDT by ez (Muslims do not play well with others.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I have absolute faith in Mike. Utahns will know by 2016 that he did a heroic thing standing up to this abomination.


21 posted on 10/23/2013 8:48:45 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
So, the GOPe will "get rid of the caucus system where local folk pick the candidates of their choice," rather than the big bosses in the back rooms doing it for them, hummm?

Would those GOPe'rs be LDS, is it the non-LDS fighting against the LDS or both against the TEA Partiers???

Interesting to know as Bennett, I thought wasn't LDS and Lee is. Just an interesting side thought.

Non-LDS states GOPe'rs are contemplating the same strategy but not so vocal as yet.

We had this fight in KS some time ago and it continues.

We called it the moderates against the conservatives and one word was the lightening rod, "abortion," though it also contained quite a bit of anti-gay marriage but that wasn't the lightening rod that it became later.

22 posted on 10/23/2013 8:54:54 PM PDT by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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To: Viennacon

I have faith in Mike Lee, but not in UT. Orrin G. Hatch has faith in UT, and he’s what’s wrong with UT.


23 posted on 10/23/2013 9:14:57 PM PDT by Theodore R. (The grand pooh-bahs have spoken: "It's Jebbie's turn!" to LOSE!)
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To: Theodore R.

The establishment is not going to win this war. They have money. They don’t have voters. That’s why they lost something like 7 races in 2012 with their cruddy candidates.


24 posted on 10/23/2013 9:21:10 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

They’re already fighting it. They’d rather have Democrats win.


25 posted on 10/23/2013 9:21:47 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Bring it. Bring all ya got.


26 posted on 10/23/2013 9:32:40 PM PDT by cld51860 (Oderint dum metuant)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

bkmk :-)


27 posted on 10/23/2013 9:40:34 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (who'll take tomorrow,$pend it all today;who can take your income & tax it all away..0'Blowfly can :-)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Bring
it
on.
28 posted on 10/23/2013 9:43:06 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

They have been at war with us and we are at war with them and the rat bastards.


29 posted on 10/23/2013 9:46:49 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: GeronL

Cruz and Lee led the party into a one/two combo set by Valerie Jarrett and Obama and got flattened. First it was refund then...ummm. Yeah...delay....no....Vitter amendment...no wait just make sure Congress is on Obamcare...no...POW! Poll numbers collapse for the GOP. Duhhh. The public hates shutdowns. And this was a good idea why?


30 posted on 10/23/2013 9:57:17 PM PDT by Blackirish
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To: Blackirish

What does Lee and Cruz have to do with the shut down?

Harry Reid refused to hold a vote on the 11 funding bills passed by the House of Representatives, that is what caused the shut down.


31 posted on 10/23/2013 9:59:33 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: GeronL

C’mon I read your posts you’re smarter then that. They wanted a showdown with Obama to defund Obamcare. It was never going to happen. A Pickett’s charge. ... Obamawas on the ropes. Obamcare in flames. 140,000 lousy part time jobs...now the Saudis breaking bad . There was no reason to shut down the government...when Obama was tourching it already.


32 posted on 10/23/2013 10:06:52 PM PDT by Blackirish
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To: Blackirish

Obama and Harry shut down the government because they wanted to shut down the government.


33 posted on 10/23/2013 10:09:59 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The GOPe has been at war with “limited government, pro opportunity” conservatives since Reagan left office.


34 posted on 10/23/2013 10:20:03 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Bring It On! RINO-man, We’ll see who changes whom, and how quickly it happens.


35 posted on 10/23/2013 10:28:09 PM PDT by lee martell
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I have a very strong opinion that ‘business interests’ with the likes of Romney and Huntsman never were or are in tune with plain old citizens who want to believe that the USA is a land of opportunity for those who don’t believe the more dollars or capital one accumulates or controls makes you a better citizen. The average citizen needs to know if they are in any way contributing to these people’s millions and stop if at all possible.


36 posted on 10/23/2013 10:30:23 PM PDT by noinfringers2
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The corporatists want the Republican party. If they boot out the base, they can enjoy losing.

Between this idiocy and immigration reform, the party will be finished anyway.


37 posted on 10/23/2013 10:39:35 PM PDT by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Is it only me, or is there a 1% bashing going on here. I personally like Biblical law when it comes to business. How to run Exxon according to Leviticus. Make a great doctoral dissertation. I wonder if the diamond industry is run that way? I’ll ask some South Africans.


38 posted on 10/23/2013 11:08:34 PM PDT by huldah1776
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To: GeronL

Yeah...you getting it? You’re almost there. Reid’s a pawn . It was Valerie Jarrett the whole time. Just like Bengazi. She suckered in the Tea Party to shut down government then sicced the media on us. Marginalizing the right. It almost worked too. Until Obamacare blew up. I hope Lee gets primaried from the Utah Republicans. All he’s don’t so far is screw things up.


39 posted on 10/23/2013 11:49:18 PM PDT by Blackirish
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Fact is most Big Business and MultiNational Corps support Socialized Medicine....they never complain or campaigns against it around the world.

A GOP candidate going against a Tea Party candidate will be supporting ObamaCare


40 posted on 10/24/2013 3:24:47 AM PDT by SeminoleCounty (Fact Is: GOPe want ObamaCare.)
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To: Viennacon

Count me in!


41 posted on 10/24/2013 3:25:53 AM PDT by rrrod (at home in Medellin Colombia)
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To: MestaMachine

Love you Mesta. Thinking about you and praying.


42 posted on 10/24/2013 3:26:55 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Looking forward and would pay to to see the look on Peter King’s face when he sees how much money his next primary opponent has..........


43 posted on 10/24/2013 3:29:38 AM PDT by catfish1957 (Face it!!!! The government in DC is full of treasonous bastards)
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To: Lazamataz

Thank you, sir. Appreciate that.


44 posted on 10/24/2013 3:38:10 AM PDT by MestaMachine (Towanda! Charge!!! A Fuwappiduh is called for in 5, 4, 3 ,2.....Dang, that was awesome, Dudes......)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I HEAR BY DIVORCE THE GUTLESS OLD PARTY! TOO MANY RINOS, RESIGN FROM THE GOP AND JOIN YOUR REAL PARTY, THE PARTY OF RATS!

45 posted on 10/24/2013 6:09:51 AM PDT by GailA (THOSE WHO DON'T KEEP PROMISES TO THE MILITARY, WON'T KEEP THEM TO U!)
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Ex-Presidential Wannabe Jon Huntsman Says GOP Is ‘Devoid Of A Soul’
msnNOW | 01 January 2013
Posted on 01/01/2013 12:36:12 PM PST by zeestephen
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2973989/posts


46 posted on 10/26/2013 3:37:39 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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