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I Want to Be Friends With Republicans
The New York Times ^ | November 2, 2013 | David James Poissant

Posted on 11/02/2013 1:48:12 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

The trouble started the night Jeff, one of the guys I drink and talk about God with, announced that he’d been summoned to court for the Zimmerman trial jury pool. We’d kept politics out of our Wednesday night meetings, which are held on my back porch, the six of us seated at an old dining room table propped next to my broken hot tub (Florida short-sale homes come standard with broken hot tubs). Instead of Bible Study, we call it our Tavern Ministry, and while we were often drunk halfway through, a churchlike decorum had always held sway. Once the case came up, though, decorum collapsed.

I wanted George Zimmerman behind bars. With Sanford, the town where he killed Trayvon Martin, just a short drive from my home, I wanted to know that I’d never run into him with my daughters at the grocery store or on a late-night walk around my neighborhood.

But Jeff wasn’t so sure that Zimmerman was guilty. Another friend agreed. It was complicated, he said. He didn’t get why so many lefties thought the shooting had something to do with race.

“Let’s not go there,” I said. My wife, Marla, had warned me that some of the guys were conservative. But I liked who they were on Wednesdays, and I didn’t want politics to change that. Still, Jeff kept on, others chimed in and finally I said, “O.K., let’s go there.”

We’d been meeting for a few weeks. We’d come together the way men in suburbia often come together, which is to say that our wives are friends....

(Excerpt) Read more at opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Florida; Issues; Parties
KEYWORDS: banglist; ccw; florida; liberalhypocrisy; standyourground; trayvon; zimmerman
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1 posted on 11/02/2013 1:48:12 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I have no liberals, democrats or other disturbed individuals as friends. I like it like that...


2 posted on 11/02/2013 1:51:42 PM PDT by seeker41 (take your country back by whatever means necessary & remove the son of a kenyan mooslimb)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

libs always mean the opposite.

his version of ‘friends’ is holding the pistol to the back of a conservative over the trench of dead conservatives.


3 posted on 11/02/2013 1:51:52 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Ok, I read the guy’s blog posting. Frankly, I believe that he’s one of the people who would fall into the ‘casual acquaintance’ role. Certainly not as a friend or someone that I could rely on to watch my back in a SHTF situation.

But if I wanted to be charitable I could just say “He’s a bit confused”, and leave it at that.


4 posted on 11/02/2013 1:53:54 PM PDT by The Working Man
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To: seeker41

That makes two of us. I don’t want any commie ‘RAT friends who advocate the destruction of America. Besides, liberals lie too much. You can’t believe anything they say. I do not like dishonest people.


5 posted on 11/02/2013 1:54:38 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (All your health decisions should be between a provider bean counter and the IRS - Obama)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I don't attempt to make friends with liberals. I do not think they are capable of friendship. They'll stab you in the back, because they buy into the culture's notions of "ends justifying the means." Broken eggs=omelets, etc. They'll pretend to "tolerate" you as long as you understand that they're just waiting for you to stop being so stupid and start buying into the World According to Jon Stewart.

Be polite, avoid the subject of politics---but avoid THEM. It'll be hard to avoid laughing contemptuously, anyway, when they start whining about losing their health insurance. A good Christian shouldn't laugh at the misery of others, but I wouldn't be able to help myself.

6 posted on 11/02/2013 1:55:26 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: seeker41

Ditto.


7 posted on 11/02/2013 1:57:41 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The New York Times will publish anything these days... Except Thomas Sowell, Daniel Greenfield...

Pieces like this are just silly, self-serving, and poorly written to boot.


8 posted on 11/02/2013 1:59:02 PM PDT by golux
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

if I identify a liberal amongst any I associate with... I stop associating with them. period.

I don’t need brain damaged drama queens anywhere near my life


9 posted on 11/02/2013 1:59:48 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Liberals just don’t get it and more importantly, don’t WANT to get it.


10 posted on 11/02/2013 2:00:09 PM PDT by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Instead of Bible Study, we call it our Tavern Ministry, and while we were often drunk halfway through, a churchlike decorum had always held sway. Once the case came up, though, decorum collapsed.

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If I were Jeff, I don't think I'd consider this man my friend.

11 posted on 11/02/2013 2:00:10 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I have some liberal friends and inlaws. Usually we don’t talk about politics, but occasionally it comes up, and I cope with it as best I may.

That is ENTIRELY DIFFERENT from writing a snarky column for the NY Slimes complaining how dumb my friends are. I may not mention them by name, but it will get out, and all our friends will hear about it.

No, Mr. David James Poissant, you are a snark.


12 posted on 11/02/2013 2:02:22 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

bleeech...this guy wants the ‘right’ to be heard while not extending that ‘right’ to anyone else.

The reason I often avoid political discussions with liberals is precisely because as soon as they find out that I am a conservative they go into the most unbeilable rants about what a louse I am for thinking that way


13 posted on 11/02/2013 2:02:30 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: golux
Yeah, and he's an English teacher at a university. Pitiful, isn't it? He thinks he wants to be friends with a Republican, when a Republican wouldn't be allowed to teach, or ever be given a chance at tenure, because of liberal bigots like himself?

Don't make me laugh.

14 posted on 11/02/2013 2:04:11 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
On the day after the 2012 election, I changed my affiliation from Republican to Unaffiliated.

So I guess I can't be friends with him.

15 posted on 11/02/2013 2:04:22 PM PDT by real saxophonist (Rock, paper, scissors, GUN. I win.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I wanted to know that I’d never run into him with my daughters at the grocery store or on a late-night walk around my neighborhood.

Liar! No one who can write is that stupid.
This whole premise reminds me of the time a liberal said to me, "I was FOR the war on terror, Iraqi Freedom, etc -- until Abu Graib." I knew he was lying; and the copy of Howard Zinn's People's History of the United States cradled in his arms erased all doubt.

16 posted on 11/02/2013 2:04:33 PM PDT by Migraine (Diversity is great -- until it happens to YOU..)
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To: seeker41
I have a sister and two younger brothers who are Libs. I'm a ‘’recovering Liberal’’, that is I was once ‘’on the dark side’’ but have seen the light of conservatism. My father is a fascist and proud of it. General Francisco Franco is his greatest political hero of all time followed by the current occupant of The White House. ( I can't even say his name I hate him so much.)
17 posted on 11/02/2013 2:06:17 PM PDT by jmacusa (I don't think so, but I doubt it.)
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To: All
I Want to Be Friends With Republicans

I doubt it. You want to be "friends" with some moderate squish like john mccain where you get get mewling assent to your foolish notions without having to concede anything in return.

FU

18 posted on 11/02/2013 2:06:40 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; seeker41

I hate liberals with every fiber of my being. F them and their race.

Never forgive, never forget what they did to my country. All you Freepers who keep praying for them...stop wasting your breath. I pray a ‘different’ prayer for these bastards.


19 posted on 11/02/2013 2:07:08 PM PDT by max americana (fired liberals in our company last election, and I laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I wanted to know that I’d never run into him with my daughters..
Well suppose some thug was holding one of your daughters down, smashing in her head after he broke her nose while you stood there petrified and G. Zimmerman came running up. Think you would be sorry to see him then?


20 posted on 11/02/2013 2:08:11 PM PDT by Old North State
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To: Secret Agent Man

“libs always mean the opposite.

his version of ‘friends’ is holding the pistol to the back of a conservative over the trench of dead conservatives.”

THIS. THIS RIGHT HERE ! That is the way we should be viewing these vermin.

You sir, are totally correct. And I think it’s about time we all sat down and started to see your way of thinking. Your tagline is also pretty damned good too.

A toast to you !


21 posted on 11/02/2013 2:10:00 PM PDT by Celerity
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I Want to Be Friends With Republicans

Liberals lie. No he doesn't.

22 posted on 11/02/2013 2:10:44 PM PDT by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I only read the excerpt, but my impression is that the author is a typical lib: he wants to be “freinds” with Repubs, but only those that agree with him (RINOs....); he wants to be able to tell his other liberal friends that he’s convinced Repubs of the errors of their ways.


23 posted on 11/02/2013 2:12:09 PM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’ll ask this guy just one question: “Mr. Piss-ant, how are you on partial birth abortion?” What do you guess that he’s all for it?


24 posted on 11/02/2013 2:13:12 PM PDT by driftless2
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To: Mamzelle
Some years ago I was at a party and some nerdy young guy, college age kid announced rather seriously that he was a''follower of Marx'' ''Marx, huh? I said. He looked at me with sort of an expectant look as if this announcement of his had impressed me. I said, ''Which one, Karl or Groucho? Everyone around us laughed at that except the kid. That's another thing about Libs, they're basically humorless.
25 posted on 11/02/2013 2:13:17 PM PDT by jmacusa (I don't think so, but I doubt it.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Does the story not show at the link because I am not paying the NYT? I wanted to read it.


26 posted on 11/02/2013 2:13:49 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: golux

The strongest proof at how screwed up is this country is the fact that while virtually every adult knows who Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are, probably less than 5% of the public knows who Thomas Sowell is.


27 posted on 11/02/2013 2:15:50 PM PDT by driftless2
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To: BunnySlippers

Click on the title. Obamacare-style website.


28 posted on 11/02/2013 2:19:47 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: jmacusa

Do they still have health insurance?


29 posted on 11/02/2013 2:21:05 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I work in downtown Chicago, but I live in a relatively conservative county just due west. So, I work with a bunch of Obamaphiles (though there are some who are on the opposite pole, like me, so it is not a total hostile environment). Thus, I associate with some lefties at work, and I work with them to get our job done. But I have no social contact with them at all outside of work; hell, I have no type of contact with them outside of work. And I intend to keep it that way, because, as another poster said, they are wholly untrustworthy, besides being the most shallow people I have ever known.


30 posted on 11/02/2013 2:24:03 PM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Unless a leftist is a naive kid, and some of them are, I tend to assume that they are “defective units” in some way.

Deeply troubled, neurotic, and filled with the hatred that those in pain sometimes have—who think that if they can just *hurt* someone else, it will lessen their own pain.

Quite a litany of neuroses. Crushing feelings of inadequacy masked by airs of superiority. They often feel incompetent, inferior, oppressed and victimized by something nebulous, but they also are caught in some deep fantasy that “something” can happen that will magically make everything better. Everything and all at once.

This magic will require no thought, action or work on their part, but will be given to them if they just follow the right leader, their messiah.

It is very hard to be friends with that, because the most they can rate the value of that friendship is so low on the scale of what they crave, that you might as well be a sock puppet.

True friendship is out of their league until they clear all those spiders out of their closet. If they can. Most can’t.


31 posted on 11/02/2013 2:30:58 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Welfare is the new euphemism for Eugenics.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Agree. By ‘friends’, in my experience, leftists mean someone with an opposing view they have the beneficence to tolerate as long as the ‘friend’ never brings it up and routinely apologizes and otherwise shows deference for differing from the twisted, dystopic vision that is the leftist norm.


32 posted on 11/02/2013 2:33:14 PM PDT by OldNewYork (Biden '13. Impeach now.)
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To: jmacusa

I somehow don’t think anyone who could admire Franco would like Obama. Whatever Franco was, he was anti-communist so that should keep The Won off his Christmas Card list.


33 posted on 11/02/2013 2:42:28 PM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Note to Liberals, you don’t hire Politicians to steal from your Friends, or your Enemies. This is America.


34 posted on 11/02/2013 2:46:55 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Good news, Federal Funding for my Tagline has been restored. Crisis averted.)
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To: jeffc

I can’t believe I read the whole thing. The author worships at the Peggy Noonan church of affected grace. He really wants to celebrate how clever he is to have put Neanderthal conservatives into a little box that he can feel sympathy for — they have imbibed harsh rhetoric you see, not worty of rational analysis. He’s also a real martyr; he’d rather associate with his SUPERSMART LEFTIST FRIENDS, but here he is, feeling sorry for stupid Republican trash his wifey forced him to associate with. What greatness of character. I’ll give his credit for subterfuge in ad homonym attacks. Pull the silver handle.


35 posted on 11/02/2013 2:48:38 PM PDT by Chewbarkah
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To: Old North State

Yes, Treyvon got killed for the content of his character.


36 posted on 11/02/2013 2:55:59 PM PDT by MtnClimber (Up is down, wrong is right, 0bama care is cheap.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

David James PussAnt can kiss my a$$.


37 posted on 11/02/2013 3:14:41 PM PDT by MuttTheHoople (Nothing is more savage and brutal than justifiably angry Americans. Don’t believe me? Ask the Germa)
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To: OldNewYork; All

what to do when all your
immediate family members
(siblings, inlaws, neices and
nephews) are leftists?

i know i cannot influence
their thinking (the middle-aged
and older generation have all been
persuaded by their young
adult “kids”).

i am at a crossroads-—politely,
but honestly, beg off any further
get-togethers? Or-—?

kg/nancy


38 posted on 11/02/2013 3:17:18 PM PDT by krunkygirl (force multiplier in effect...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’m 63 years old. I don’t need any more friends; certainly none like this guy.


39 posted on 11/02/2013 3:27:46 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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40 posted on 11/02/2013 3:32:40 PM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: krunkygirl

I wish I had a better answer than what has been my modus operandi: grin and bear it. You don’t get to choose your family. But you can choose your battles. There are times when there’s an opening to, gently, ask the relevant question, or explicitly, but calmly, stand up for yourself and what’s right. But you have to work with the knowledge that they think they’re the holder of the keys to the kingdom and that they are the bigger person in tolerating you.


41 posted on 11/02/2013 3:34:47 PM PDT by OldNewYork (Biden '13. Impeach now.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’m polite to everyone, unless and until they are impolite to me. I DON’T turn the other cheek.
When having a conversation and a Liberal says something that is incorrect, I correct them. I don’t let the lie continue.
I don’t avoid them. I live my life and speak my mind.

To steal and ruin a great line; it’s not what they don’t believe to be so that’s truly annoying, it’s that everything they believe to be true isn’t.


42 posted on 11/02/2013 3:43:53 PM PDT by Macoozie (1) Win the Senate 2) Repeal Obamacare 3) Impeach Roberts)
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To: muir_redwoods

Completely concur with you. At this stage in my life, I’m now basically just looking for opportunities to give liberals seizures. I joined our local conservation commission and already one far left loon who was a member for nearly 20 years quit because he couldn’t stand to be in the same room with me. So far, retirement is proving to be successful.


43 posted on 11/02/2013 3:45:29 PM PDT by GreyHoundSailor
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To: seeker41
I actually do have liberal democrats as friends but there's no debating with them. You can never even get a real discussion of issues off the ground because liberals have a different set of made up ‘facts’. You just end up arguing about what is and isn't true. Therefore you a huge impasse when the liberal will not even stipulate that the statistics you have are true numbers.

It's frustrating as all hell to try and argue with a pig headed, brainwashed ignoramus. I've concluded that it's a complete waste of time and breath.

44 posted on 11/02/2013 3:53:20 PM PDT by Bullish (The only real solution is to abolish liberal democrats forever)
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To: driftless2

We know who Dr. Thomas Sowell is because we are consumers of those who write scholarly insightful articles on issues of our time. We value truth-telling and appreciate those who articulate perspectives that resonate truth to us.

Those that haven’t heard of Dr. Sowell are those who ‘choose’ not to seek the truth. Almost everyone today has access to the internet. Very few people have an excuse for not having found such people as Dr. Sowell if they are genuinely interested in political news and views.

Rush Limbaugh recently provided an important insight about conservative media. Conservatives lead all literary and broadcast media conduits in sales and viewers. Where conservatives lag is with the ‘popular culture’, the film and entertainment form of media.

For example in the 1970s Norman Lear’s and Bud Yorkin’s ‘All in the family’ was tremendously entertaining for it reflected the blue collar culture back into America’s living rooms but with the conservative as a bigot and the liberal as a reasonable, enlightened and hopeful prospect for the future. It was more effective at forming opinions and political perspectives than most any other form of ‘news’ broadcasting.

For conservatives to appeal to the blue collar voter they must be entertaining and have the ability to laugh at themselves.

For example, Jackie Mason has the ability laugh at his Jewishness and it is hilarious. It makes us love Jewish people because we can smile at their foibles that are as real as those of non-Jews. Do we have a conservative that can laugh at conservatives and make a large swath of democrats and republicans warm to conservatives?

Imagine a 201X sitcom like ‘All in the Family’ but with the roles reversed where the liberal is a bigot fascist and the ‘Meathead’ is a conservative that merely wants a simple and clear understanding of the American way, where men are rugged and women are feminine, where homosexual marriage is portrayed to be what it is in reality; freakish. Meathead wasn’t funny, Archie Bunker was funny because of his stupidity and his ridiculous circular logic.

The liberals still own the popular culture. Conservatives own the intellectual culture. To attract the middle, conservatives need to be attractive via the popular culture.


45 posted on 11/02/2013 4:16:52 PM PDT by Hostage (Be Breitbart!)
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To: Mamzelle

Haven’t checked. I should though. My Dad,(a widower) has his retirement, Soc. Sec and Medicare but for some reason his retirement package didn’t include a prescription plan. My one younger brother works for the same firm my Dad did, a high end construction management firm in NYC. I haven’t spoken to him in awhile.It’s kind of a given that we’re (meaning me) aren’t supposed to discuss politics. They’re free of course to mouth off when they want to, usually my one younger sister starts up(she worships Obama) When I fire back that’s when the discussion ends because I’m a conservative, i.e a “Republican hater’’. My youngest brother lives and works in NYC and is very far Left as I once was. We haven’t really spoken to each other at all in the eight years since my mothers funeral. I love him but I don’t like him and he feels the same towards me. The last time we did speak was when Obama was first elected. I put him on notice that if the poop ever hits the fan, meaning a civil war and if he gets me in his sights he’d better not miss because I won’t. I’m serious. This is how much this son of you-know-what has effected one family in America. I think now I know how they must’ve felt in 1861.


46 posted on 11/02/2013 4:19:51 PM PDT by jmacusa (I don't think so, but I doubt it.)
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To: PLMerite

My fathers politics are a mass of contradictions. He worships Franco like he were Jesus Christ. Communist, socialist, fascist, doesn’t matter. A dictatorship is a dictatorship. You either live on your knees with a gun to your head or on two feet with a pistol at your back.


47 posted on 11/02/2013 4:23:12 PM PDT by jmacusa (I don't think so, but I doubt it.)
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To: krunkygirl

Agree with them on EVERYTHING. Say how the Obamacare website was actually so intelligently built that it was above everyone’s ability to “get it”.

Ask if the turkey being served was free range and humanly slaughtered. (it never will be)

When they mention gay marriage, say you agree and sincerely ask if anyone knows how they do it in the poop hole without getting poop on Mr. Johnson.

Pipe up as to how you cant understand why people are opposing his desire to fight in the side of Al Qeida in Syria. Say you support Al Qeida too.

When they take the bait, don’t give an inch. Be deeply hurt. Explain how the power of their arguments has persuaded you.

After dinner when they ask if you want more tea, ask if they have any cough medicine and skittles so you can make “purple drank”, like Trayvon. You hear it really gets you off.

You might as well have some fun.
PS,, never ever under any circumstances let them know you are faking. This will drive them mental.


48 posted on 11/02/2013 4:26:02 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: jmacusa

Obama sows misery and hate wherever he goes. And it just gets worse...


49 posted on 11/02/2013 5:57:42 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Mamzelle

Mais oui, Madame. Quell tragique.


50 posted on 11/02/2013 6:15:56 PM PDT by jmacusa (I don't think so, but I doubt it.)
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