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Waterloo for the Republicans: Will the Cruz, Paul, Palin, Lee, Bachmann wing win out?
The Hill ^ | November 5, 2013 | Peter H. Fenn, Democratic political strategist & consultant

Posted on 11/05/2013 3:18:47 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

In the coming two to four years, the Republicans seem ready to engage in a battle royal for the soul of their party. And it sure will be ugly.

It looks like a war between the Backward Caucus and the usual Conservative Caucus. Forget the moderate Republicans; most of them were put out to pasture long ago.

Parties have seen battles between factions since the founding of the republic: the Whigs, the Bull Moose Party, conservative Democrats, liberal Republicans — plenty of splinter groups to go around.

Conservatives took over the Republican Party in the 1970s and northern liberal Republicans became nearly extinct. Conservative southern Democrats who controlled committee chairmanships gradually disappeared as Nixon’s Southern strategy turned those states red over a couple of decades. The most telling battle was Reagan challenging Gerald Ford in 1976 and winning a solid conservative majority in 1980, even taking control of the Senate. Pat Buchanan’s multiple bids for the presidency further exacerbated the rift in the GOP.

But that was nothing compared to what we are seeing today.

The country is changing and changing fast. For Ted Cruz (R-Texas), Rand Paul (R-Ky.) and Mike Lee (R-Utah), the Three Musketeers in the Senate, they are locked into the Ozzie and Harriet 1950s.

On gay rights, the Senate is about to pass legislation to ban discrimination in the workplace, 14 states have legalized same sex marriage, and polling has done an about-face in less than 10 years. Yet, a large faction of the Republican Party and the Backward Caucus will hear none of it. The House will do its best to sink any reforms, and an audience of Republicans viewing a presidential debate would probably still boo a gay soldier. The message has been clear from the Tea Party: no room for you in our America.

And on immigration and attitudes toward minorities, it is equally intolerant. When the electorate in 2012 was 72 percent, compared to 87 percent in 1992, and dropping, Republicans resisted reform and sent a message that many construed as racist.

And when a country is digging itself out of a horrendous recession, a handful of Republicans lead a charge to shut down the government and default on our obligations, costing us $24 billion. And many follow the Backward Caucus and vote in lock step. The result: The Republican Party is viewed more unfavorably than at any time since Watergate.

The reason this is different from other party splits or insider battles is that the policy positions are so extreme and so contrary to where the nation is headed that there may have to be a Waterloo.

It will come down either to the New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie wing or the Cruz wing of the party winning out.

Do the extreme Tea Party challengers to conservative incumbents in Idaho, Kentucky, South Carolina and across the country indicate a wave or a wasted effort?

Will Republicans continue to become the anti-gay, anti-Hispanic, anti-black, anti-women, anti-young-people's party? Do they refuse to change with the country?

Or will they stand up to the bullies in the Backward Caucus and take control of their party and refuse to go along with those who shout the loudest, get on 24/7 cable news, and feed the talk show circuit?

After today’s results in Virginia and New Jersey, one would think that reasonable Republicans might get the message. But the battle is just beginning.


TOPICS: Issues; Parties; Polls; State and Local
KEYWORDS: cruz; gop; gopcivilwar; palin; teaparty
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1 posted on 11/05/2013 3:18:47 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Peter Fenn??? Amazing the way they recycle these a-holes.


2 posted on 11/05/2013 3:23:25 PM PST by CMailBag
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“It will come down either to the New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie wing...”

So is Krispy now the crown prince and new poster boy of the GOPe???


3 posted on 11/05/2013 3:24:22 PM PST by ObozoMustGo2012
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Utter bilge and wishful thinking from a Dem partisan. . .


4 posted on 11/05/2013 3:24:54 PM PST by Salgak (http://catalogoftehburningstoopid.blogspot.com 100% all-natural snark !)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Is Peter H. Fenn, Democratic political strategist & consultant, the person trying to help save the GOP. I think he’s been advising McCornhole and Bonehead.


5 posted on 11/05/2013 3:25:02 PM PST by Conspiracy Guy (On the evening of 10/16/13, the ailing republican party breathed its last breath.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This is a battle that will go on for years with no single decisive win or loss.


6 posted on 11/05/2013 3:25:14 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Peter...fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life. (Apologies to Dean Wormer)


7 posted on 11/05/2013 3:25:48 PM PST by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Bachmann doesn’t belong in that company, she is a permanent small timer and a little flaky, with some troubling wishy washyness when it comes to her thin veneer of independence from the establishment.

Palin has suffered from two females who rode her coattails and muddied her image, Tina Fey, and Michelle Bachmann.


8 posted on 11/05/2013 3:25:54 PM PST by ansel12 ( Democrats-"a party that since antebellum times has been bent on the dishonoring of humanity.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
For Ted Cruz (R-Texas), Rand Paul (R-Ky.) and Mike Lee (R-Utah), the Three Musketeers in the Senate, they are locked into the Ozzie and Harriet 1950s.

Yet another Progressive writer demonstrates the characteristic lack of understanding that defines modern leftists.

As John Lennon wrote: "Living is easy with eyes closed, misunderstanding all you see."

I once had the bad luck to be locked in a tumultuous relationship with a liberal college professor for almost three traumatic years. I met a lot of liberals while I was with her, and I was stunned by how little they knew about what conservatives really think.

9 posted on 11/05/2013 3:28:29 PM PST by Maceman (Just say "NO" to tyranny.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Christie, Peter King and Mitt Romney ARE northeastern, liberal Republicans.

Paul Ryan and John Boehner are north mid western liberal Republicans.

Saxby Chambliss, Lamar Alexander and Pete Sessions are southern liberal Republicans.

There is an over abundance of liberal Republicans, and that is killing the GOP and the nation.


10 posted on 11/05/2013 3:29:59 PM PST by noprogs (Borders, Language, Culture)
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To: ansel12

Kinda like you don’t belong among conservatives.

Moderates are lying manipulative bottom feeding scum (and not nearly as sneaky as you think you are)


11 posted on 11/05/2013 3:30:36 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: ObozoMustGo2012
So is Krispy now the crown prince and new poster boy of the GOPe???

That seems to be MSM's narrative. RINO wins NJ handily, TEA Party loses in VA.(Never mind the Libertarian candidate run to split the Republicans.)Set up Kristy for the nomination against Hillary.

12 posted on 11/05/2013 3:34:13 PM PST by gundog (Help us, Nairobi-Wan Kenobi...you're our only hope.)
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To: ansel12

13 posted on 11/05/2013 3:34:16 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Ted Cruz/Sarah Palin 2016)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Will the Cruz, Paul, Palin, Lee, Bachmann wing win out?

Either they and we win or GOP takes its place alongside the Whigs on the shelf of historical oddities of no present day importance or relevance.

Either they win, and we win, or GOP implodes and no one notices or misses it.

14 posted on 11/05/2013 3:34:52 PM PST by marron
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To: cripplecreek

What an idiot you are, Bachmann and her kissing up to Romney, and her hiring of Ed Rollins, and the attack on Palin and Bachmann’s lack of ever doing anything in office as the big boys shove her around and ignore her, are what turned us conservatives off on her.

You seem to be the moderate here, not the conservatives annoyed at her anti-conservative activities.


15 posted on 11/05/2013 3:38:43 PM PST by ansel12 ( Democrats-"a party that since antebellum times has been bent on the dishonoring of humanity.)
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To: Salgak

Just unusual that they label him as a Democrat, and it reads exactly the same as the care trolls in the media.


16 posted on 11/05/2013 3:39:49 PM PST by Luke21
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To: ansel12

You’ve got a long history of bashing conservatives here. I leave it up to others to check it out for themselves.


17 posted on 11/05/2013 3:42:46 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Sergio

Dean Wormer/Chuck Schumer — Seperated at Birth twins for Laura’s list.


18 posted on 11/05/2013 3:43:49 PM PST by G Larry (Let his days be few; and let another take his office. Psalms 109:8)
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To: ObozoMustGo2012

If Christie is nominee, i will be voting third party. He’s atrocious. I liked him in year one when he took the unions, but he’s been utterly worthless since.


19 posted on 11/05/2013 3:47:54 PM PST by ilgipper (Obama is proving that very bad ideas can be wrapped up in pretty words)
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To: ansel12
Palin has suffered from two females who rode her coattails and muddied her image, Tina Fey, and Michelle Bachmann.

I like Palin, but I agree she has suffered great damage.

20 posted on 11/05/2013 3:48:07 PM PST by LuvFreeRepublic
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To: Maceman

Yeah, liberals only have a caricature of conservatives in their minds, assembled by swallowing liberal propaganda uncritically. The funniest is when you point out how their caricature is wrong, and they refuse to accept it. They’ll straight up tell you that you don’t really believe what you say you believe, because they know better.


21 posted on 11/05/2013 3:48:21 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: cripplecreek

That is twice you have lied on this thread.

I hope you aren’t one of those anti-conservatives that we conservatives had to fight with when the Bachmann campaign attacked Palin.

You know that you can defend your Romney friendly girl without getting so nasty that you have to post lies here.


22 posted on 11/05/2013 3:49:38 PM PST by ansel12 ( Democrats-"a party that since antebellum times has been bent on the dishonoring of humanity.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Thanks 2ndDivisionVet.


23 posted on 11/05/2013 3:50:27 PM PST by ansel12 ( Democrats-"a party that since antebellum times has been bent on the dishonoring of humanity.)
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To: LuvFreeRepublic

Don’t put words in my mouth, since I never said that Palin has suffered great damage, how can you be agreeing with me?

You must be agreeing with my comment on Michelle Bachmann.


24 posted on 11/05/2013 3:59:49 PM PST by ansel12 ( Democrats-"a party that since antebellum times has been bent on the dishonoring of humanity.)
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To: ansel12

Talk to somebody else Moderatard.


25 posted on 11/05/2013 4:01:47 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

Well you made three posts, two blatant lies, and all three childish.


26 posted on 11/05/2013 4:04:48 PM PST by ansel12 ( Democrats-"a party that since antebellum times has been bent on the dishonoring of humanity.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Did Peter Fenn call out the leftists who tried to derail Lieberman's re-election bid in 2006? Casey's dad because he was pro-life?

No, only conservatives can be "extremists."

27 posted on 11/05/2013 4:18:59 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Governor Sarah Heath Palin for President of the United States in 2016)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
And when a country is digging itself out of a horrendous recession...

We are? Couldn't prove it by me.

28 posted on 11/05/2013 4:21:31 PM PST by upchuck (I've got maternity care via Obamacare! Now, if I could just figure out how a male gets pregnant...)
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To: ansel12

I know everyone wants to be President, but this time lets try to select our conservative candidate in a conservative Republican convention.

Last time all the conservatives together had the overwhelming
vote vs. Romney. We will wind up with Windbag, Blimpy Crispy Cream as out next Mc Cain/ Romney loser.

To many conservatives in the race meant the GOPe gets to elect a Democrap socialist again.


29 posted on 11/05/2013 4:34:30 PM PST by Zenjitsuman (New Boss Nancy Pelosi)
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To: Zenjitsuman

The problem with that is that it just a wish, there isn’t any real life way to arrange that.

In some cases, when we can see people who clearly don’t belong in the race, or who we know, and they know, can’t win the primary, which was just about everyone in 2012, then it gives us a clue that they are revealing a flaw in themselves.


30 posted on 11/05/2013 4:42:49 PM PST by ansel12 ( Democrats-"a party that since antebellum times has been bent on the dishonoring of humanity.)
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