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Is Hillary inevitable in 2016? No way
Rare ^ | December 30, 2013 | Merrill Matthews

Posted on 01/01/2014 4:35:16 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

The Clintons are trying to create the impression that Hillary has the 2016 Democratic presidential nomination—if not the presidential election—sewn up. Contenders need not apply.

Hillary already has the media eating out of her hand. Barbara Walters provided her an in-kind donation by naming Hillary her most fascinating person for 2013.

And CNN political editor Paul Steinhauser recently wrote, “If she decides to run, Clinton would instantly become the overwhelming frontrunner for the Democratic nomination.”

Of course, the media were saying the same thing back in 2007. But a relative Senate newcomer named Barack Obama didn’t know she couldn’t be—or wasn’t supposed to be—beaten, and so he jumped into the presidential race — and beat her.

A more realistic analysis would recognize that she has a lot of baggage, especially in a general election that will stress image, competency and, in the post-Obama world, honesty. Hillary is, shall we say, challenged on all three.

Further, given the nationwide angst over Obamacare, let’s not forget that she was a key figure in pushing health care reform that would have rivaled Obamacare’s failures.

Image — During Obama’s first presidential bid, several young people told me that Republicans needed to find someone who was cool and hip (e.g., like Obama).

Fair enough, but is that a description of Hillary, who will be 69 years old in 2016? That’s the same age Ronald Reagan was when he won the presidency, and the media prattled on endlessly about whether he was too old.

While she is looking better in her most recent media appearances, pictures in her last year or so as Secretary of State were unflattering. She was doing funky things with her hair and often wearing some very unbecoming pantsuits.

I would be the first to say that the battle for the presidency should be about vision and policies; but we’re kidding ourselves if we don’t recognize that much of the country—those “low-information voters” who are most likely to vote Democratic—choose form over substance. How else to explain the current White House occupant?

Competency — Name one major State Department achievement while Hillary ran the place. For that matter, name one major achievement while she was a New York senator. Having never lived in New York, the former first lady bought a house there so she could run for the Senate in a blue state that would elect anyone who got the Democratic nomination. She was the quintessential carpetbagger.

Since she has no successes, there will be a lot of focus on her abject failures, like Benghazi, the imploding of Libya, Syria, and Egypt along with the growing crises in Iraq and Afghanistan – all of which happened on Hillary’s watch.

Honesty — With the departure of the most dishonest administration in recent history, the political pendulum will likely swing the other way. The public will demand the future president tell the truth, and candidates—especially Republicans—will hammer that theme endlessly. Truth is not one of the Clinton family’s strong suits.

Like the time during her last presidential campaign where she claimed, “I remember landing [in Bosnia] under sniper fire. There was supposed to be some kind of a greeting ceremony at the airport, but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base.” Then the video emerged of her strolling off the plane and chatting with people. The campaign later released a statement saying she “misspoke.”

And then there’s the ghosts of scandals past. Younger voters may not remember much about “Whitewater” or Hillary’s phenomenal ability to invest a little money and make huge gains. For that matter, they may not remember much about her husband’s dalliances, which Bill continually denied until the DNA would let him lie no more.

In their book about the 2008 presidential election, Game Change, authors John Heilemann and Mark Halperin claim that the senior senator from New York, Chuck Schumer, was worried when Hillary was considering a 2004 presidential run because of the various stories he was hearing about Bill’s escapades.

Hillarycare — Before there was Obamacare, there was Hillarycare. There are a few structural differences between the Clintons’ plan and Obama’s, but the Clintons’ effort to take over the U.S. health care system was no less ambitious, with the then-first lady playing an integral role in drafting and trying to pass it.

The 1994 Republican takeover of the House and Senate, for the first time in 40 years, was in part a response to the Clintons’ health care reform efforts—just as the 2010 voter backlash was a response to Obamacare.

Republicans will want to make sure that a public upset over Obamacare could have been forced into a similar boondoggle 20 years ago, thanks the Hillary Clinton.


TOPICS: Campaign News; Issues; Parties; Polls
KEYWORDS: 2016; benghazi; democrats; hillary; hillary2016

1 posted on 01/01/2014 4:35:16 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
She is if the Community Election Fraud Machine Formerly Known As ACORN has anything to say about it.
2 posted on 01/01/2014 4:37:43 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Who knew that one day professional wrestling would be less fake than professional journalism?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

As sick as it makes me, I say she is a 14 point favorite.


3 posted on 01/01/2014 4:38:36 PM PST by logitech (It is time.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Landslide in 2016 for Sarah.


4 posted on 01/01/2014 4:41:35 PM PST by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Anybody who thinks PIAPS will not be the 2016 democrat nominee does not understand the level of corruption and brokenness of the election process. ..

I would bet good money she will win in 2016...


5 posted on 01/01/2014 4:42:35 PM PST by Popman ("Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God" - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: mountainlion

It would be fun to watch Sarah vs Hilary. H is hideous.


6 posted on 01/01/2014 4:44:11 PM PST by Rio (Proud resident of the State of Jefferson)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
http://thelibertydigest.com/2013/12/25/whistle-blower-claims-she-forged-obamas-birth-certificate-guess-who-it-is/

Even Obana’s sister says he is a fraud. He will be such an embarrassment to the voters that he will take down the democrat party and much of the rePublicans.

7 posted on 01/01/2014 4:44:25 PM PST by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: Popman
I would bet good money she will win in 2016...

Win the nomination? or the presidency?

I agree that she will most likely be the Dim nominee. Can't see her taking the presidency, though... unless the competition is another McCain/Romney/Christy type.

8 posted on 01/01/2014 4:47:05 PM PST by Rio (Proud resident of the State of Jefferson)
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To: Rio

Republican women would not support Sarah and everyone knows. Sarah has everything women want and they despise her for it.


9 posted on 01/01/2014 4:51:50 PM PST by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I think the American people are much more predictable now than they were in 2007. Name ID is what really counts, as most have such little political knowledge.


10 posted on 01/01/2014 4:52:45 PM PST by Theodore R. (People in TX in 2014: Cornball and George P.!)
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To: DIRTYSECRET

That makes no sense, so it’s probably perfect female logic.


11 posted on 01/01/2014 4:52:46 PM PST by Rio (Proud resident of the State of Jefferson)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The media has picked Hillary as they have picked Christie.

And as usual most will fall for it.


12 posted on 01/01/2014 4:52:59 PM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal the 16th Amendment)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The RINOs probably will refuse to run against her out of respect.


13 posted on 01/01/2014 4:53:03 PM PST by Conspiracy Guy (Did the ancients know they were ancients? Or did they see themselves as presents?)
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To: mountainlion
Landslide in 2016 for Sarah.

AMEN! Go Sarah go!


14 posted on 01/01/2014 4:53:08 PM PST by re_nortex (DP - that's what I like about Texas)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The problem with articles like this is that they completely deny what the real world is like.

The writer assumes the majority of the American electorate will think and will be persuaded by logical argument. This is an absolutely false assumption.

If she runs she wins. Americans will chose the First Woman President over anybody the GOP will run who is asking them to think before casting their vote.

15 posted on 01/01/2014 4:53:37 PM PST by montanajoe
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To: mountainlion

He can’t be a real fraud; only the American people can be the frauds with their lack of political knowledge.


16 posted on 01/01/2014 4:53:47 PM PST by Theodore R. (People in TX in 2014: Cornball and George P.!)
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To: DIRTYSECRET
You're right. That is going to be the mountain Sarah has to climb. As someone else pointed out - she has everything a woman could want: family, husband, success, looks, etc. So even unintentionally, unconsciously, jealousy or envy or something gets to women. (hey, men are guilty of it too) Sarah is going to have to work hard at appealing to women.

My wife, love her dearly, doesn't like Sarah. When I ask her why, she can't articulate any one or two things even. Go figure. I don't understand women - if I ever claim to someone please come over to my place, take away everything from me sharper than a twinkie, and then take me to get my head examined.

17 posted on 01/01/2014 4:58:02 PM PST by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Unfortunately the same 52% who voted for Obama will vote for her and the RINOs will run the fat blob from NJ and lose, again.


18 posted on 01/01/2014 4:58:45 PM PST by RetiredArmy (I am proud to be a Christian and follower of my Lord Jesus Christ. Time is short for U to know Him!)
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To: Popman

I would bet good money she will win in 2016...


As much as it pains me to say it, you are probably right. The media and pop culture control a sizable portion of the middle and wield power far beyond comprehension. There are enough fickle idiots to go with the entitlement slaves of the DNC to take the election. The RINO stranglehold on the GOP helps too.


19 posted on 01/01/2014 4:59:04 PM PST by volunbeer (We must embrace austerity or austerity will embrace us)
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To: mountainlion

Hillary authorized stinger missiles and other lethal weapons for terrorist muslim al qaeda to use against Qaddafi in Libya,because the congress would not authorize war, in my opinion. After the al qaeda took over Libya, the dumb Secretary tried to BUY THEM BACK!! the price was $400 to 600 hundreds of millions dollars __ ALL TO BE DELIVERED ON 911!! ( what an idiot she is) The result? The al qaeda took the money from ambassador Stevens and killed everyone in sight. 31 CIA operatives know all about this and are threatened with extinction, if the talk. This is an act of treason by Hillary. She was a horrible Sectretary of State!! She knows it and now so do you.


20 posted on 01/01/2014 5:00:48 PM PST by SADMILLIE (r)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Hillary Rodham (Clinton) is very, very defeatable.

Many here have a favorite GOP opponent to defeat her; and, I support Scott Walker (whomever you support is fine w me).

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21 posted on 01/01/2014 5:01:31 PM PST by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
She's not even a contender

Both parties don't REALLY have a finger on the pulse of America and they don't know how to approach us.

I listen to CSPAN a lot and I've never heard so many democrats talk like republicans and accuse republicans of being and doing all the dastardly things the democrats do and republicans have never done.

22 posted on 01/01/2014 5:03:05 PM PST by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: volunbeer

I think Hillary’s biggest risk is in the D primaries.
If the Chicago mob defects, they could well defeat her again.
Squaw Warren is claiming disinterest, but we’ll see....


23 posted on 01/01/2014 5:03:27 PM PST by nascarnation (I'm hiring Jack Palladino to investigate Baraq's golf scores.)
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To: Popman
I would bet good money she will win in 2016...

I would too. Can you say "President Hillary?" I know it sucks, but there is no amount of baggage that will hurt her. Like the Obungler, she could machine gun a thousand people to death on the White House lawn, and it would raise her approval rating. With amnesty coming, well...........

24 posted on 01/01/2014 5:09:28 PM PST by Mark17 (Chicago Blackhawks: Stanley Cup champions 2010, 2013. Vietnam Veteran, 70-71)
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To: RetiredArmy
...the fat blob from NJ ...

Mister Christie's work as governor against the 2A (along with his chumminess w Mister Obama) will see to it that he never gets enough votes for nomination, one suspects and hopes.

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25 posted on 01/01/2014 5:09:47 PM PST by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

She can’t pass the physical. She’s throwing blood clots and she’s not even smart enough to stay on her medicine. All that stress and traveling in the campaign? Not good.


26 posted on 01/01/2014 5:11:57 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The media know/believe they got Zero elected (twice!). They're all puffed up with power and know they can sway opinion by elevating one (a Dem) over another (a Repub). They think Reagan's and Bush's elections to be anomalies (and Dems believe - as they always do when they lose - that they just didn't get their message out).

They are already, with this and other pieces, laying the groundwork that will culminate in Hitlery's election to the Presidency. 2016 is going to an interesting year: the media will throw mud like you've never seen before!

27 posted on 01/01/2014 5:13:51 PM PST by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: DIRTYSECRET
Republican women would not support Sarah and everyone knows. Sarah has everything women want and they despise her for it.

Horse vomit! Conservative women LOVE Governor Palin.

See her recent speeches and events, and family-oriented women are always present. It's the liberal Sandra Fluke women that hate Palin, and she doesn't care because she knows she'll never get the hateful left's votes, so she's a master at bringing out the base and changing the minds of independents.

Hillary cannot compete with Sarah. Hillary has no concept of things like Twitter, Facebooking, live-blogging, or other high-tech campaign tools that Palin has utilized since leaving office. Hillary was asking voters to send postcards to family and friends to GOTV, for crying out loud in 2008.

28 posted on 01/01/2014 5:15:40 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Obama is angry and will get to the bottom of it...Heads will roll!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Republicans will want to make sure that a public upset over Obamacare could have been forced into a similar boondoggle 20 years ago, thanks the Hillary Clinton.”

This assumes Republicans even come up with a coherent message other than “managed decline”.

They’ll have to also deal with a sycophantic media the likes of which we’ve never seen.


29 posted on 01/01/2014 5:17:00 PM PST by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: ThunderSleeps
If the conservative men will support Sarah, then the wives will too. Trust me, I've been to Palin rallies and there were tons of patriotic, married women there.

Also, a person like Sarah can communicate with the LIVs and tell them in no uncertain terms about the exploding debt bomb, and if we don't rein in spending, then there will be no more benefits.

30 posted on 01/01/2014 5:18:02 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Obama is angry and will get to the bottom of it...Heads will roll!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The only thing that could defeat her is a raw populism spread far and wide. The party that taps into this the best wins. People are sick of the federal government in general after the ObamaCare debacle.

People feel they have lost their government.


31 posted on 01/01/2014 5:21:02 PM PST by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: Rio

POTUS Clinton sound familiar ....?

She will definitely be the nominee....and based on voting patterns and the entitlement mentality of a huge part of the country...I think she can win...

She already has 210 electoral votes locked up based on demographics ....getting 60 more won’t hard to steal....


32 posted on 01/01/2014 5:49:52 PM PST by Popman ("Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God" - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Popman

Hitlery will be the next pres.

Never underestimate the ignorance of the American electorate that elected zero twice.

Ben who? Oh that old 50’s tv show?


33 posted on 01/01/2014 6:03:15 PM PST by bicyclerepair (TERM LIMITS TERM LIMITS TERM LIMITS)
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To: mountainlion

———Landslide in 2016 for Sarah.-——

I wonder the Palin cheering section understands how out of touch you are?

Palin has zero chance of being the nominee....

The left has destroyed her brand, her image, her name, her viability....

To think otherwise is living in lala land...

Don’t get me wrong ... I would vote for her in a heartbeat... She is exactly what this country needs....

But that is not reality ...


34 posted on 01/01/2014 6:04:01 PM PST by Popman ("Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God" - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

maybe she is just a stalking horse again, and they have some other evil creep that they hope to sneak in without serious vetting.


35 posted on 01/01/2014 6:25:02 PM PST by FreeAtlanta (Liberty or Big Government - you can't have both.)
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To: blueunicorn6

Another female candidate I can think of isn’t even 50 yet, runs marathons, seems very healthy and already has a following.


36 posted on 01/01/2014 6:32:19 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (A courageous man finds a way, an ordinary man finds an excuse.)
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To: Popman; mountainlion

Tied for third most admired in the whole world:

Gallup: Sarah Palin And Michelle Obama Equally Admired
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3106795/posts


37 posted on 01/01/2014 6:34:43 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (A courageous man finds a way, an ordinary man finds an excuse.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Not only is she inevitable but she is the answer to the prayer for every member of the elitist Republican establishment. Well, if not the answer, then another excuse to send up another Dole/McCain/Romney Progressive who wouldn't think if slamming Hillary for fear of being called sexist. My gut tells me Barry will not go quietly and will run Michelle and threaten the Clinton's with racism if they utter any remark disparaging to FLOTUS, like she has no experience. If the Clinton's says it's Hillary's turn, the Obama’s turn the table on her and make her look like the bitter old white drunk she is.
38 posted on 01/01/2014 6:34:47 PM PST by cashless (Obama told us he would side with Muslims if the political winds shifted in an ugly direction. Ready?)
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To: headstamp 2

What we need to do to cripple Hillary before 2016 is impeach Obama in 2104. We’ll still be stuck with Obama through 2016, but the testimony will nail Hillary. Impeachment is an opportunity to lay all of their behind the scenes crap on the table and out to the public.

No amount of bug spray will keep the flies away from her after that. she’ll be dead meat.


39 posted on 01/01/2014 6:53:23 PM PST by meatloaf (Impeach Obama. That's my New Year's resolution.)
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To: Seaplaner

So why won’t Texans who favor Cornball and George P. not also be willing to go along with Christie if Jebbie is scorned?


40 posted on 01/01/2014 8:24:40 PM PST by Theodore R. (People in TX in 2014: Cornball and George P.!)
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To: meatloaf

Good idea, but Boehner isn’t buying it at all. So no sale. And Boehner will be back in 2015.


41 posted on 01/01/2014 8:25:29 PM PST by Theodore R. (People in TX in 2014: Cornball and George P.!)
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To: Popman

Yea, and she can refuse to campaign in AR just to make them angry there.


42 posted on 01/01/2014 8:27:38 PM PST by Theodore R. (People in TX in 2014: Cornball and George P.!)
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To: Theodore R.

I think all we need to do to defeat her is actually run a decent Republican candidate for a change! And that does NOT include that fat slob from New Jersey.

Sorry, with the right marketing and campaign strategy, Hillary would be EASY to beat — but Republicans are so limp wristed and stupid these days, they can’t pull it off.

A Scott Walker type — someone smart, sensible, clean, no crazy — just someone who can break through the Bush/Clinton/Bush/Clinton cycle . . . someone who can convince this country for ONCE, not to be so damn stupid so as to vote for these jerks again.

The decent candidate could also select a female VP running mate to counter the “we don’t care who it is as long as it’s a woman” crowd.


43 posted on 01/06/2014 3:45:18 AM PST by LibsRJerks
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To: montanajoe
Americans will chose the First Woman President over anybody the GOP will run ............

What if the GOP takes away the "First Woman President" advantage and fields one also?

44 posted on 01/17/2014 6:06:37 PM PST by varon (Para bellum)
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