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Ted Cruz vs. Rand Paul: A GOP road to nowhere
CNN ^ | March 17, 2014 | Julian Zelizer

Posted on 03/18/2014 1:37:04 PM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo

Editor's note: Julian Zelizer is a professor of history and public affairs at Princeton University. He is the author of "Jimmy Carter" and "Governing America."

(CNN) -- ...The weaknesses of both men—Cruz in terms of his style and Paul in terms of his rhetoric—point out how desperate the GOP is to find someone who can build a broad coalition, something that is essential for a presidential victory, particularly when Republicans will likely be facing a formidable candidate.

The problems of New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie have been a huge blow to the party, and there are not many alternatives at this point who are willing to run to replace a figure who, in terms of style of governance and rhetoric, would have a better chance of appealing to voters beyond the base. This is the reason former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush is getting so much buzz, as potentially the only other person who can fill this void.

If Republicans can't find some alternative and the primaries revolve around the tension between Ted Cruz and Rand Paul, Democrats will be in excellent position to retain the White House in 2016.

(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Florida; Kentucky; New Jersey; Texas; Parties
KEYWORDS: 2016elections; chrischristie; democratshill; florida; jebbush; julianzelizer; kentucky; marcorubio; newjersey; tedcruz; texas
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Seems to me that a road to nowhere describes a nomination of the retread Hillary.
1 posted on 03/18/2014 1:37:04 PM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

It’ll be Jeb...just wait


2 posted on 03/18/2014 1:37:53 PM PDT by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: bigbob

Jeb is one who might repel the electorate more than Hillary.


3 posted on 03/18/2014 1:39:44 PM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

if a Cruz/Paul ticket is a road to nowhere,what does that make a Wasserman/Dean ticket? a road that leads to a cliff?or a pile of horse manure?


4 posted on 03/18/2014 1:41:43 PM PDT by Cruz_West_Paul2016
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Is this author someone with no axe to grind? Does he share the Constitutionalist viewpoint? Or is he a self-styled pragmatIst with no feeling for or interest in maintaining a Constiutional Republic?

Based on what I read here this guy’s opinions carry no weight with me.


5 posted on 03/18/2014 1:42:25 PM PDT by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Thanks liberals! It’s good to know you’re helping us!


6 posted on 03/18/2014 1:42:36 PM PDT by Mr. K (If you like your constitution, you can keep it...Period.)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

I was all for Cruz/Paul. But I am disheartened. I don’t hear anything from them about a new foreign policy direction, one that puts guarding our own southern border as the priority. There’s no one in either party that has a vision that will stop the US from falling into the trash heap of failed civilizations, soon.


7 posted on 03/18/2014 1:43:05 PM PDT by grania
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Probably...but when you examine how the GOP works, he’s the most likely choice for them. (Besides, he’s a Bush, and it’s his turn!)


8 posted on 03/18/2014 1:45:03 PM PDT by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

We’re on the road to nowhere...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWtCittJyr0


9 posted on 03/18/2014 1:46:00 PM PDT by Nachum (Obamacare: It's. The. Flaw.)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

10 posted on 03/18/2014 1:48:06 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Cruz/Paul, Paul/Cruz.

Palin/Paul/Cruz/West/Nugent...

Pick two and let’s get out in front of this before we end up with Ryan/Jeb/Willard/or worse...


11 posted on 03/18/2014 1:48:15 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (Tre Norner eg ber, binde til rota...)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
The weaknesses of both men—Cruz in terms of his style and Paul in terms of his rhetoric . . .

Wholly unsubstantiated rhetoric in terms of fact and truth.

12 posted on 03/18/2014 1:49:56 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: grania

With all their faults Cruz and Paul will look pretty good, especially if the opponent is Hillary who can be portrayed as a personification of the mistakes and faulty judgment of her husband, W and Obama.


13 posted on 03/18/2014 1:50:12 PM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Rand Paul will win.


14 posted on 03/18/2014 1:50:54 PM PDT by BarnacleCenturion
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To: Dead Corpse

you have to keep in mind that with a Cruz/Ticket, an hispanic on the ticket,especially as president will take those western states Obama took,especially New Mexico/Colorado/Nevada.


15 posted on 03/18/2014 1:51:12 PM PDT by Cruz_West_Paul2016
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

This is a very positive sign. The other way to interpret this is that far left is very much worried that a president Cruz or Paul won’t play by their rules. The more they focus on them, the stronger they surely are.


16 posted on 03/18/2014 1:56:01 PM PDT by grayhog
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
The left is always telling us that the opposition they fear the most can't win.

For a change, Republicans need to do what Custer did in Little Big Man: do the opposite of what they advise.

17 posted on 03/18/2014 1:57:01 PM PDT by RatRipper (The political left are utterly evil and corrupt)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
Watch how the MSM will highlight dissension on the Right. Watch also how they will do everything to keep the subject off the perverse, economy-killing, immorality-promoting, unconstitutional, increasingly authoritarian federal government. Watch how the Right helps. The Right must unite around the common cause of CUTTING GOVERNMENT AND TAXES and PROMOTING THE WEALTH-CREATING FREE MARKET.

The Right knows the problem and has the answer. THE problem of the day is big government and the answer is the free market economy. I like Paul because he seems like the strongest proponent for seriously cutting government and taxes and seems to best understand the alternative - the free market.

Whatever else happens, the Right needs to educate itself on how to best present and promote the free market economy as our best and IMO, only, way out of this mess.

18 posted on 03/18/2014 1:57:07 PM PDT by PapaNew
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Seems to me like everytime the Pubs run an RHINO they lose; and when they run a true-blood conservative to the core, they win. Someone has defined insanity as “doing the same thing over and over again, while expecting things to change.” Washington needs to be “turned upside down,” the status quo is no longer relevant, they are only serving to be nails in America’s coffin.


19 posted on 03/18/2014 1:59:03 PM PDT by evangmlw
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To: John Valentine; Colonel Kangaroo
Is this author someone with no axe to grind? Does he share the Constitutionalist viewpoint? Or is he a self-styled pragmatIst with no feeling for or interest in maintaining a Constiutional Republic?

Julian Zelizer is a liberal who argues that Obamacare didn't go far enough and the Democrats should emulate Ted Kennedy.

His point of view is pretty predictable, but he gives his opinions a spin or twist. Even that gets predictable, as the spin or twist always seems to be that Democrats should be bolder and more aggressive, that there's too much bipartisanship in Washington, at least on the Democrats part.

Cruz versus Paul, though, doesn't look like a great choice. On the other hand, when is the last time there were really great choices in presidential elections?

Both guys are an improvement over some of the candidates in the last race. Limited experience, though is a problem both men face (I know -- lack of experience didn't hurt Barack Obama, but how did that work out for the country?).

20 posted on 03/18/2014 1:59:58 PM PDT by x
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Cruz is “weak” but their guy Barry is a tower of strength. Right.


21 posted on 03/18/2014 2:00:31 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
Certainly it is a mistake for the supporters of Cruz & Paul to engage in reciprocal insult. But the idea of Jeb Bush is suicidal for Republicans & just plain insane for Conservatives.

Methinks the Professor has adopted premises that would never fly at this venue. What he thinks is practical politics simply reflects the false premises so common in the shallow world of contemporary American Academia.

What we need is not an echo--to paraphrase Phyllis Schlafly's classic from 1960--but a real choice--else what is the point?!

William Flax

22 posted on 03/18/2014 2:03:30 PM PDT by Ohioan
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To: Cruz_West_Paul2016

“an hispanic on the ticket,especially as president will take those western states Obama took”

You are dreaming. Cruz did worse than Cornyn among hispanics in Texas.

Hispanics don’t care about race. They just want “free stuff”.


23 posted on 03/18/2014 2:03:38 PM PDT by BarnacleCenturion
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To: grania
"There’s no one in either party that has a vision that will stop the US from falling into the trash heap of failed civilizations, soon."

That's exactly how I see it. We've been in wars for 100 years and that has taken its toll in blood, treasure and a collapsed economy.

Hillary want's to break the glass ceiling by being the first women to be a war time president. And whichever republican you site, once you scrape off the talk, they are all bomb, bomb, bomb McCains.

The USA needs someone that wants to preserve America and not the world. Any such person to emerge, will be blown out of the water by the military industrial complex and foreign interests.

24 posted on 03/18/2014 2:04:05 PM PDT by ex-snook (God is Love)
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To: bigbob

Always good to hear from a left wing a## hole about how we on the right need to vote. If you think 6 million that stayed away from the polls in 2012 wait tell 20 million don’t show up in 2016. Jeb is a weak sister on his best day.


25 posted on 03/18/2014 2:09:53 PM PDT by lostboy61 (Lock and Load and stand your ground!)
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To: bigbob
It’ll be Jeb...just wait

I was thinking that he'd be too old, but actually he'd only be 63 (7 years younger than his brother and Bill Clinton, 6 years younger than Hillary). That's not all that old for a president.

But if the country isn't tired of the Clinton-Bush generation, it's certainly tired of the Bushes (and maybe of the Clintons as well -- a big reason Hillary didn't win the first time she ran).

26 posted on 03/18/2014 2:10:26 PM PDT by x
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To: x
Thanks for the description. It certainly explains the tone and substance of the article which I think betrays Zelizer’s lack of awareness on what makes conservatives tick in 2014.
27 posted on 03/18/2014 2:10:56 PM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
Pls ping me when Obama-Boy Julian critics the Obama years, Democrat policy and the Democrat field for 2016.
28 posted on 03/18/2014 2:11:27 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: grania
I would rather see a Cruz/ West ticket then Cruz / Paul.
29 posted on 03/18/2014 2:17:17 PM PDT by peeps36 (I'm Not A Racist, I Hate Douchebags of All Colors)
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To: Ohioan

Paul has already come out against conservatives.


30 posted on 03/18/2014 2:20:11 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: Ohioan

And Chris Christie, who Zelizer seemed to think a threat, is another echo.


31 posted on 03/18/2014 2:20:29 PM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: BarnacleCenturion
Cruz did worse than Cornyn among hispanics in Texas.

I would like to see your numbers on the Hispanic vote in Texas.

32 posted on 03/18/2014 2:27:12 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: peeps36

safe to assume that criz/paul will be on the ticket,but who will they be up against? Clinton/Kerry? lol


33 posted on 03/18/2014 2:29:02 PM PDT by Cruz_West_Paul2016
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Always love it when the lefties at CNN tell me how conservatives aren’t the right choice


34 posted on 03/18/2014 2:30:33 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Why would the majority of GOP voters vote for anybody who is for amnesty for illegal immigrants?


35 posted on 03/18/2014 2:31:42 PM PDT by johnthebaptistmoore (The world continues to be stuck in a "all leftist, all of the time" funk. BUNK THE FUNK!)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
Cruz makes a lot of people feel good, but good luck with the parts about his being born in Canada to a Cuban father.

There are still enough around who don't believe that makes him a NBC and won't vote for him for that reason alone.

And, the demonrats will argue that even obama supposedly was born in America, unlike Ted Cruz, and use his foreign birth against him and his supporters.

I expect that to all be ignored by his faithful Cruz for Prez hopefuls, but don't say I and others didn't warn you, way ahead of time.

36 posted on 03/18/2014 2:34:26 PM PDT by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

I like Paul, but am afraid that by 2016 he will not be overcome the MSM offensive that will paint him as a bigot and a racist.


37 posted on 03/18/2014 2:34:46 PM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: GBA

Cruz is American, and fully qualified to be president.


38 posted on 03/18/2014 2:53:20 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: GSWarrior

As long as Paul keeps taking it to the conservatives, and embracing the GOPe, then the media will treat him fine.

It is the conservatives that the media really go after.


39 posted on 03/18/2014 2:55:00 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: Dead Corpse

Paul’s a pro-amnesty guy.


40 posted on 03/18/2014 3:03:35 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker

No. But thanks for playing.

And yes, I’ve read the relavent articles and seen how he’s voted.


41 posted on 03/18/2014 3:10:09 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (Tre Norner eg ber, binde til rota...)
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To: ansel12
Everyone has an opinion, but that's not the one I learned in grade school in the early 1970s.

I'm not going to argue it with you and don't want the management to ban me, but I suspect the demonrats will bring it up and hang that charge on the party of Nixon.

Good luck with that.

42 posted on 03/18/2014 3:17:22 PM PDT by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: Dead Corpse

Indeed Paul is pro-amnesty and you shouldn’t inaccurately post otherwise here.

Here’s just one quote:

“Are you willing to try to bring the 11 million people who are here, bring them out of the shadows, give them an existence, try to be more humane, and try to get a better situation for them? That could happen tomorrow,” Paul said on ABC’s “This Week.”

“The problem is, is the sticking point going to be we have to have immediate voting privileges for those who came here illegally,” Paul added. “If the Democrats are willing to come halfway, I think we can pass some meaningful reform.”

http://patdollard.com/2014/01/rand-paul-backs-amnesty-if-illegals-cant-vote-immediately/


43 posted on 03/18/2014 3:24:04 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: bigbob

I love it when the Libtards start to care about who we nominate for Presdient. :-)


44 posted on 03/18/2014 3:34:18 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: RatRipper

exactly, the left said that Reagan would be the easiest to beat too :)


45 posted on 03/18/2014 3:41:49 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: GBA

That must have been quite a grade school that taught you that “under the law in effect between 1952 and 1986 — Cruz was born in 1970 — someone must have a citizen parent who resided in the United States for at least 10 years, including five after the age of 14, in order to be considered a natural-born citizen. Cruz’s mother, Eleanor Darragh, was born in Delaware, lived most of her life in the United States, and gave birth to little Rafael Edward Cruz in her 30s.”


46 posted on 03/18/2014 3:59:20 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: ansel12
I was taught born in the USA to citizen parents is a natural born American citizen, nothing else.

Not hard to understand at all. So simple even a fifth or sixth grader can understand it.

It's all the exceptions people come up with that are hard to understand, like your example as written in your post, for instance.

47 posted on 03/18/2014 4:12:25 PM PDT by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: GBA

If you disagree with the Cato institute and think that Senator Cruz is not qualified to be President, then you should go to this thread to argue it.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3060736/posts


48 posted on 03/18/2014 4:23:53 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: 9YearLurker

How did he vote on the immigration bill? Agains it you say.... Hhmmm, that’s not very “amnesty” like.

How about his 11mil out of the shadows comment there? Was it “amnesty” with full citizenship like Reagan did? No? They’d go to the back of the immigration line and lose all of their current benefits? Well shoot, that’s not much of an “amnesty” either...

Wasn’t there something about finishing the border wall and making any reforms contigent upon an annual Congressional panel afirming the border being “secured”?

Well darn, that ain’t very “amnesty”/pro-illegal immigrant either.

So maybe it’s YOU doing the lying here...

Who’s your favorite for POTUS? Christie or Jeb?


49 posted on 03/18/2014 4:50:54 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (Tre Norner eg ber, binde til rota...)
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To: Dead Corpse

Amnesty has nothing to do with finishing a border wall. Making them eligible for citizenship, albeit a tad delayed, is amnesty.

And of course I’m not for Jeb or Christie, who are two more pro-amnesty types.

Cruz is probably the best we have.


50 posted on 03/18/2014 4:56:18 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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