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CURL: 1%: Hillary is 2016ís Mitt Romney
The Washington Times ^ | June 22, 2014 | Joseph Curl

Posted on 06/22/2014 10:05:31 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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Hillary Clinton is, without question, a smart lady. She has been a senator and secretary of state, after all. So no dummy, she.

But is she smart enough to not run for president in 2016?

She was beaten handily in 2008 by a first-term senator named Barack despite the feared Clinton Rolodex of party high rollers. And while her favorability rating has risen steadily, especially since she left the public eye early this year, millions and millions of Americans who opposed her in 2008 — Republican and Democrat — are still out there.

Things are off to a terrible start. Has there ever been a more disastrous rollout of a presidential candidate than Hillary’s this past month? She couldn’t answer what she’d do in Iraq. She was caught in a lie about her health — outed by her own husband. Then she said they were “dead broke” when they came out of the White House (they had two houses worth at least $5 million). On Saturday, she said she and Bubba are not “truly well off,” despite Bill’s $100 million bankroll.

Worse, her 656-page book has been roundly panned — even by liberal outlets like The Washington Post. Some critics found it boring, staid, cautious, defensive. First-week book sales were dismal: 85,721. (Sarah Palin’s first week book sales: 467,604.)

Still worse, questions about her health continue to swirl....

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Parties
KEYWORDS: 2016; hillary; obama; palin
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1 posted on 06/22/2014 10:05:31 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Hillary Clinton is, without question, a smart lady.

When an article starts off with two major errors in the first sentence it is not possible to continue reading.

2 posted on 06/22/2014 10:09:05 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Wishful thinking I’m afraid. She’s got the infamous Mitt Romney statement (which he was right about) of 47% built-in vote. Single women adore her. If her health gets worse, which is a very real possibility, then the GOP will be ok.....otherwise she’s going to be difficult to beat.


3 posted on 06/22/2014 10:10:46 PM PDT by LongWayHome
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Why hasn’t she testified UNDER OATH about Benghazi ?


4 posted on 06/22/2014 10:11:53 PM PDT by Ray76 (True change requires true change - A Second Party ...or else it's more of the same...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Collective, behind the scene, forces beat Hillary. The same forces will determine who they want to win next election and organize all their effort money, rabble rousers and, most importantly, fraud apparatus behind that candidate. Right now it looks to be Hillary. If that remains we will see.


5 posted on 06/22/2014 10:17:08 PM PDT by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“illary Clinton is, without question, a smart lady”

Proof being what? She failed at all she has done.


6 posted on 06/22/2014 10:20:11 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: LongWayHome

Romney’s 47% statement was unexplainable, that is why no one has ever been able to explain who the 47% are.


7 posted on 06/22/2014 10:20:25 PM PDT by ansel12 (( Rand Paul---What a tragedy if America wouldn't have gotten to see Barack Obama as a leader.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The first sentence is sarcasm aimed at Lefties who idolize the HAG.
I had to google Joseph Curl and Sarah Palin to realize Curl is no bot for the GOPe/Left.


8 posted on 06/22/2014 10:26:14 PM PDT by RginTN
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To: ansel12

The 47% are the welfare moms, the massive amount of LEGAL immigrants that have come here, the low info voters, liberals on the east & west coasts, most black voters, over 60% of hispanic voters & most asians who now vote democrat.

Add them all up with some union thugs & Reagan democrats in the upper mid-west who sat out the election in 2012 you get not 47%, but a little over 51%....and Obama wins. That’s what we face in 2016.


10 posted on 06/22/2014 10:28:56 PM PDT by LongWayHome
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To: Norm Lenhart

Hillary did not fail at everything. She was quite successful in squashing the bimbo eruption against her philandering husband. B.J. (Billy Jefferson) Clinton finished his 8 years in White House.


11 posted on 06/22/2014 10:29:02 PM PDT by entropy12 (Obummer = worst president ever, thanks to voters who abstained on election day!)
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To: entropy12

True. She also Gayed a couple countries in lieu of foreign aid.


12 posted on 06/22/2014 10:36:51 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: LongWayHome

Yeah, you didn’t define it either, you just threw a bunch on nothing against the wall to see if it would stick.

By the way, Romney won the Independents, so are you sure it was the “Reagan democrats” (whatever that would 32 years later””, that didn’t vote for him?

For what it’s worth, Romney had left the GOP and didn’t vote for Reagan/Bush, by the late 1980s he became solely a democrat supporter and even a fund raiser and voter.


13 posted on 06/22/2014 10:37:09 PM PDT by ansel12 (( Rand Paul---What a tragedy if America wouldn't have gotten to see Barack Obama as a leader.)
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To: ansel12

My God Ansel...This has to be part/a result of the Romney get together . They are suddenly everywhere pushing him AGAIN.


14 posted on 06/22/2014 10:46:13 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: ansel12

Here’s a clue for you: demographics. We keep losing national elections. We lost to a total nothing, Obama, because he has tied together enough voting blocks to beat the GOP. I could care less what you think, or believe. Fact is THEY won the last 2 elections & unless the GOP wakes up Hillary is going to win in 2016. Let me define this for you: due to massive LEGAL immigration & the shrinking white vote the GOP may never win another election on the presidential level.


15 posted on 06/22/2014 10:46:14 PM PDT by LongWayHome
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To: Norm Lenhart

I’m not pushing Romney if that’s what you are saying....I’m explaining why the GOP lost, and due to demographics it matters little at this point who’s on the ticket. The GOP is fading away, and Clinton is going to be difficult to beat because of the demographic shift in the nation....not cause she’s any good, she’s not.


16 posted on 06/22/2014 10:50:27 PM PDT by LongWayHome
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To: LongWayHome

He lost for one reason. He didn’t get the votes needed. Demographics or fraud are something all non Democrat candidates have faced. In 2012 he needed more than average to overcome it. But he still didn’t get enough. And ultimately that’s what counts.

Had the GOP run someone that could point to a more conservative record than Barry, we would have not had a 2nd Obama presidency. But where everyone knows Barry was against gay marriage once, Mitt could not even point to that much on his record. Instead, there was a desire to grab guns, gay the military and civ institutions, hard left judges and a seemingly endless list of leftism.

But no one EVER could say Mitt was even a moderate Repub because his record proved he could not aspire so high. And so people either stayed home or voted 3rd party. And if the GOP again runs Mitt or one of his many clones...Jeb, Perry, Rand or their ilk, we will see a third consecutive Democrat term unless the previous Romney voters abandon the path of failure and join us in voting for a conservative.

There are 2 years to find one and get behind him or her. There is no excuse and there is no reason anyone on the political right should ever consider a liberal like that idiot ever again. People who even bring up the possibility of holding their nose at this point, regardless of who they may be are not ‘us’ and as Reagan said in his 75 speech, ‘Let them go their own way.’


17 posted on 06/22/2014 11:10:46 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

For such a smart lady , Hillary does an awful lot of incredibly stupid things


18 posted on 06/22/2014 11:12:26 PM PDT by rdcbn
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To: LongWayHome

“.otherwise she’s going to be difficult to beat.”

Election stealing is a democratic fine art. Especially for Chicago natives. “ Bring out your Dead!”


19 posted on 06/22/2014 11:13:04 PM PDT by Artie (We are surrounded by MORONS)
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To: Norm Lenhart

Well, aside from the fact that I quoted the Romney 47% statement to show what a difficult spot the GOP is in I don’t get why you are even bringing him into the conversation ? He’s beside the point in what I was getting at. And this is what matters: Romney got more of the white vote than Reagan....and he still lost. So I disagree with you. Demographics are destiny; Period. Look at California.

The traditional GOP voter is being replaced by third world immigration. It’s simple math.


20 posted on 06/22/2014 11:19:10 PM PDT by LongWayHome
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To: LongWayHome
The 47% are the welfare moms, the massive amount of LEGAL immigrants that have come here, the low info voters, liberals on the east & west coasts, most black voters, over 60% of hispanic voters & most asians who now vote democrat.

Let's see.. The GOP plan to gain any and all of those votes is to be not quite as liberal as the Democrat. This plan has been successful in nearly zero actual contests. Welfare Moms don't want illegals hogging up all the freebies, 'Hispanics' don't want the illegals, period, and would dearly love to go into a store and not have a sales person immediately say 'I'll get someone who speaks Spanish - one momento, si habla espanol.' Asians are far more conservative than anyone is giving them credit for; their voting numbers are skewed because they're mostly avoiding the polls.

Black voters are the reason why battles at the ballot box for gays calling themselves married was utterly abandoned.

That 47% only exists because the GOP constantly abandons the conservative corner in the spirit of bipartisanship. When was the last time a liberal compromised on anything? OH, right, all the time, as they 'compromise' by not quite getting everything they want immediately.

21 posted on 06/22/2014 11:28:58 PM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: LongWayHome

Strange post considering the context of our exchange.

Romney lost because he was too liberal and depressed the republican vote, while winning the Independents.


22 posted on 06/22/2014 11:34:46 PM PDT by ansel12 (( Rand Paul---What a tragedy if America wouldn't have gotten to see Barack Obama as a leader.)
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To: kingu

And, all of these group vote democrat more & more every year. Asians do indeed vote democrat whereas in the 80s they voted for the GOP. To put it bluntly: they ain’t buying what we are selling no matter what member of the GOP speaks.


23 posted on 06/22/2014 11:41:28 PM PDT by LongWayHome
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To: ansel12

We are losing our voting demographic. That’s my point. Romney got more white votes than Reagan did. My contention is simple: we can have the best ideas & the best people, but if we lack the raw numbers....we lose. Every time. Nevada is now a blue state, It’s just a matter of time until Texas turns blue....why, new voters who don’t share our vision.


24 posted on 06/22/2014 11:50:10 PM PDT by LongWayHome
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To: LongWayHome

Most of them never even hear our vision.


25 posted on 06/23/2014 12:02:44 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: Mastador1
They misspelled it. It is Hilldabeast.
26 posted on 06/23/2014 12:04:13 AM PDT by Domangart (Tho I walk Through the valley of Wall Mart, I fear no man.)
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To: GeronL

Well, that’s true, the media is killing the GOP. That does not help things. Even with the internet, the main stream media still controls the message.


27 posted on 06/23/2014 12:18:36 AM PDT by LongWayHome
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To: LongWayHome

You forgot 70% of American Jews.


28 posted on 06/23/2014 12:32:05 AM PDT by luvbach1 (We are finished. It will just take a while before everyone realizes it.)
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To: entropy12
She was quite successful in squashing the bimbo eruption against her philandering husband.

Oh, you're talking about Hillary's private war on women.

29 posted on 06/23/2014 12:33:23 AM PDT by luvbach1 (We are finished. It will just take a while before everyone realizes it.)
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To: luvbach1

Yup.....but the GOP has been losing the Jewish vote forever....the GOP had the Asian vote in the 80s.


30 posted on 06/23/2014 12:35:46 AM PDT by LongWayHome
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To: LongWayHome

I understand your point, but that isn’t why Mitt Romney lost.

Romney lost because he killed turnout, for instance coming out as pro-abortion and reaffirming his pro-gay Scout leader positions after he won the nomination, and running pro-choice ads in Ohio and Virginia and Wisconsin, and losing all three states.

His problems were him, the man who had won a single election in his 20 year career, and that one with less than 50% of the vote. Romney is a walking talking disaster of a man.


31 posted on 06/23/2014 12:38:53 AM PDT by ansel12 (( Rand Paul---What a tragedy if America wouldn't have gotten to see Barack Obama as a leader.)
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To: LongWayHome

It’s not just the media. The GOPe sounds more and more like the democrats every day because, like you, they too believe the demographic is changing and they want to be democrats to get votes.

How did that work out for Mr. Eric Cantor? His opponent, David Brat, made it clear. He ran on the traditional republican ticket and he won and Lord willing, he will win in November. If the republicans stick to the more conservative principles of its own platform, they can win. When given the choice between socialist and socialist-lite, the voters go for the real thing every time.

Uniparty ideas turn people off, especially conservatives. Even if the demographics are changing there are reasons conservative ideas work and liberal ideas don’t. We should focus on explaining that. Plus we have a history proving that case. Unfortunately too many republicans would rather run off and become democrats with ‘r’ next to their names because, the demographics are changing. Either they don’t understand the conservative principles they are supposed to stand for or they are just democrats pretending to be republicans.


32 posted on 06/23/2014 12:46:08 AM PDT by Waryone
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To: LongWayHome

Amazingly the GOP had the black vote at one time. But the Dems eventually convinced the blacks that the GOP was racist. And that coincided with blacks becoming racists themselves! A double whammy.


33 posted on 06/23/2014 12:52:32 AM PDT by luvbach1 (We are finished. It will just take a while before everyone realizes it.)
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To: Waryone

The demographics are changing.....fast. That’s just a fact. I agree that the GOP should go right. They should also become more populist. Less Wall St, more Main St. They should also come out, hard, against illegal immigration. That would help....but it’s a finger in the dike as millions pour into the States in an endless chain of third world immigration. The GOP needs to cut legal immigration way down. I suspect they don’t have the guts to do that.


34 posted on 06/23/2014 12:56:19 AM PDT by LongWayHome
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To: LongWayHome

There are about 50 million more people today than in 1980 too so that’s not entirely a shock.

There is ‘some’ truth to the Demo/destiny argument. But taken to conclusion it’s a purely racial argument (not in the racist!!!! sense). If DD is true, then the Cubans in Miami love Castro communists because hispanics have to vote for leftists and white people must vote Republican and are doomed to dance funny at weddings eternally. We know neither is the case. Well, maybe the wedding part... Raise a Mexican kid in a right wing household of any color but white and his chances for being a rabid leftist are equal to his lily white neighbor’s kid from another right wing household.

Today the D/D thing comes down to propaganda and a refusal of the right to stand for anything. The dems at least stand for corruption and bribing minorities. Put Bhoner and Cruz on a stage. Do they agree on anything? No by and large. So we cannot overcome a united Dem propaganda offensive targeting minorities pr anyone else.

There is a reason that minorities don’t vote R and it isn’t solely because many enlisted in the Democrat sponsored free sxit Army. And it is the exact same reason most of my Millenials will never vote R. they don’t trust them any further than they can throw them. Not because of the TV news. But because they aren’t blind or deaf. They heard parents. They saw the flip flops. The mixed messaging doesn’t cut it for them anymore than it does for most of us.

Want to overcome the Dem FSA? It’s a rough road. But it’s one that begins with people one can trust. Minorities and millenials have one thing in common. No alternatives. Give them one and ‘change’ begins.

that said, I fully grasp that the free sxit Army isn’t shrinking, it’d growing. I get that some will ride the train no matter if Christ campaigns for President personally. But nothing changes as long as we mirror leftism in our candidates. there is no reason for an FSA soldier to ever do anything different if there is nothing different presented. there is no chance of a normal minority or young person to leave the lib rez as long as they have a choice of suck or suck.

As I said. Some never will. We only need ‘enough’. Then the FSA can either get on this train or do without entirely.


35 posted on 06/23/2014 12:58:19 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: luvbach1

The democrats own the “culture wars”. They dictate how the media shapes what the GOP is. We are a center-left nation.


36 posted on 06/23/2014 12:59:15 AM PDT by LongWayHome
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If you are allowed to make a bet anywhere in the World anymore, I’d put my $ on Cuomo.


37 posted on 06/23/2014 1:02:35 AM PDT by Forgotten Amendments (Peace On Earth! Purity of Essence! McCain/Ripper 2016)
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To: Norm Lenhart

If we could ever get a hold of this massive influx of legal & illegal immigrants I suspect things could turn around over time. But with millions coming in, every year, and with many of those millions being poor & uneducated, well, it makes them perfect dupes for the left.


38 posted on 06/23/2014 1:05:31 AM PDT by LongWayHome
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To: LongWayHome

They don’t want to do that because they believe the demographics are changing and they think the only way to manage that is turn into democrats. They won’t go with less Wall St. because they think money is more important than people to get elected.

I agree that putting the US citizen and the nation’s sovereignty first would do very well with the people and would gain votes, but Wall St. won’t financially support candidates who put the people ahead of their bottom line. So some of those candidates will have to lose before people realize it’s the people who vote, not money.


39 posted on 06/23/2014 1:13:48 AM PDT by Waryone
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To: LongWayHome

Agree completely. Ultimately I think there is a problem on the horizon no one mentions or discusses much. The millennials and minorities are starting to feel the screws turning themselves. And they aren’t as tolerant as we are about a lot of things. Because the left programmed them to be very self centered. Now I am speaking generally here.

I use this example semi often and it seems off track but think about it in a broader sense.

Video games/Guns.

What is the hands down most popular games out there? First person shooter stuff like Call of Duty. All those kids/younger people LOVE those games. Many older guys too but for now, lets talk the young voters and soon to be voters.

For decades now, the left has ramped up anti gun/guns are satan propaganda. they have spent hundreds of millions to make every grade schooler with a pop tart fear eating it wrong because if someone thinks it resembles a Glock, hes toast. And what does that kid do? Goes home and games. Probably with an older kid on COD or another shooter with guns.

They LOVE their virtual guns. they don’t fear them. Gun sales are record setting your after year. Who bought them?

yup. Gamers. Nor exclusively of course. But a LOT of them.

My point? They broke the leftist programming. Why? They don’t care what the left wants. If Tipper and the PMRC were back, they wouldn’t care about that either. Or if a GOPer was pushing simmilar bans, they are going to do what they like. Because they were TRAINED to do what they like.

By the left. Who is already losing control. Hipsters don’t read cig/Alcohol warning labels. And they are hard left. Or are they entirely? No, they are hard left when it’s cool to be and a lot like us when they think the cigs or whatever the left hates is cool too.

Extrapolate that out a bit and the reasons behind them. I think the left is in for a surprise. Not that there are 50 million young Reagans in training, but neither 50 million Bill Ayers clones.

And they arent buying all the leftist crap.


40 posted on 06/23/2014 1:23:36 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: Norm Lenhart

I think you give millenials too much credit. They buy the leftist line and will blame conservatives, Republicans, Christians or whomever for all the problems under the sun. And soon enough they will desensitized enough and detached enough that they won’t mind offing whoever their leftist leaders tell them is the bad people


41 posted on 06/23/2014 1:36:30 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

After her “Dead Broke” fiasco and her pathetic “I’m not well off” followup, one would think those clots in her brain are getting bigger.

I’d love to be in a forum where she tries to imply “not well off.” My question to her would be, “Exactly HOW did you come to this venue?” “Did you drive yourself?” “Did you fly?” “On a scheduled Airline?” “First Class or Coach?” No? “Oh, okay, you flew in a private corporate jet, huh?”


42 posted on 06/23/2014 2:24:45 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Random thoughts-A lot depends on whether or not there is an attractive alternative as their was for the Dem's in 2008. But, there is plainly something wrong with someone that wants to go back to the White House after leaving it after 8 years. But, I doubt after serving for so long she has the fire in the belly to claw her way back in. Just my disjointed two cents.
43 posted on 06/23/2014 5:13:54 AM PDT by amnestynone (Lindsey Graham is a feckless, duplicitous, treacherous, double dealing backstabbing corksucker.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“...book sales were dismal: 85,721”

If her royalty rates are anything like mine, she made a little over $2.14 million last week on these “dismal sales”.

I wouldn’t complain about that.


44 posted on 06/23/2014 5:54:28 AM PDT by Buckeye Battle Cry (Audentis Fortuna Iuvat)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Hillary Clinton is smarter than her supporters...which does NOT make her smart.

Hillary is where she is because she rode Bill's coattails their entire marriage. Without him she is nothing.

Bill and Hill have made millions of $$$$ and the only jobs they have created are ghost writers.

The only thing they have ever made is another speech!

45 posted on 06/23/2014 5:57:50 AM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: Domangart
They misspelled it. It is Hilldabeast.

Okay then, three errors!

46 posted on 06/23/2014 8:40:33 AM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: LongWayHome; Norm Lenhart; All
Demographics are destiny.

Wrong. MORALITY is destiny. Demographics are pretense.

It is why believing demographics = destiny leads to disaster and moral malaise, just like voting "against" leads to disaster and political malaise. BOTH concepts, voting "against" and that demographics determine destiny, are false and imaginary, THEREFORE operating on a false foundation leads to disastrous results.

Morality is what determines destiny. Demographics are solely a PRETENSE to divide and segregate voters into groups.

47 posted on 06/23/2014 9:20:17 AM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: GeronL

I hear ya’ but they buy it as long as it’s the cool kids thing to buy it.

I don’t think they as a whole are going to be organizing July 4th parades or WalMart appreciation day festivities anytime soon, don’t get me wrong. However I really believe that they are in fact going to crash into reality real soon now.

Another example I use is look at their entertainment. All GoPro cameras, mountain bikes, exotic type locales ect. What happens when Joe Hipster goes out to X mountain for some totally bitchin Wingsuit flying and the mountain is now off limits to wing suits? Or the downhill mountain biker meeting the “No mechanical conveyance” sign at the trailhead?

Back when I did the Off-Road stuff I saw that happen semi often. The more well known example (in those circles) being one of the big mountain bike groups siding with Sierra to ban evil OHVs. Then Sierra, after that assistance helped them win an OHV ban, turned IMMEDIATELY on the mountain bikers and told them, we we SAID no mechanical. That meant you guys too! That was 15 years ago and it has happened with increasing frequency since across the spectrum.

Those were not evil right wingers closing areas and banning their fun then or now. And they know it. They just have to hit the tipping point where the left becomes more a burden on their fun than a ‘cool kids’ group to hang in. And daily its happening as the left grabs more power and Auth-or-I-tay from THEM. Because they already burned through most of the control points with the right. Now they are grabbing the issues near and dear to millenials ans spoiling THEIR fun.

And when you consider that those millenials were trained from birth that they were special, unique little snowflakes that the world exists to revolve around them, I do not see a whole lot of Lolcats hazzing a happy on the horizon.


48 posted on 06/23/2014 11:10:22 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: Norm Lenhart

When they run smack into reality they will search the same leftist sources for answers and end up blaming conservatives. They have no frame of reference to do any actual thinking.


49 posted on 06/23/2014 11:47:30 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: GeronL

e. but Sure. But all the leftist sources promote the leftist view of saving the planet for example. They can’t say the Koch Brothers closes the mountian because all their literature says that Sierra and Greenpeace and all the leftist groups had to do it to save it from evil capitalists.

There is nothing IN that literature to blame us. And if their were, it would be a Spock/Robochick moment for them. does not compute. I am counting on the fact that the left trained them so very thoroughly that they can’t reverse their programming. I have personally seen the results.

Whether that happens wide scale is the only question.


50 posted on 06/23/2014 11:59:11 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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