Posted on 04/04/2015 8:51:24 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
“Bottom Line - if a majority of white voters in the Pacific northwest, the Midwest, and the N.E. really want a Conservative president, why don’t they vote like the white voters in Texas and the Old South? “
Because the last CONSERVATIVE that ran was Reagan. Perhaps we give them the opportunity again.
“Republicans have been getting 70%-90% of the white vote in most of the southeastern states since Nixon’s landslide in 1972.”
You still need to revisit history. The South was SOLID DEMOCRAT until 20 years ago...and then only slowly became solid Republican. It wasn’t Democrat back then because of black/Hispanic voters.
The leftards sure do spill a lot of ink over someone who they insist is unelectable and irrelevant.
Cruz Derangement Syndrome ...
Certain political elites, certain bureaucrats, and an androgyne I have never heard of before all oppose Ted Cruz, therefore I must vote for Hildebeeste?
WTF?
TED CRUZ FOR PRESIDENT!!!
“Except for a couple years in Reagan’s first term, except for a couple months during the Newt Gingrich revolution in 1995, this country has relentlessly moved to the LEFT for the last 55 years...If you have a serious national strategy to stop that, I look forward to hearing about it. “
I don’t disagree that the country has moved left (sadly), but the Democrats have moved left MUCH FASTER than the country. The strategy SHOULD BE to call them out on it, rather than join them (i.e., most of today’s Republicans), or simply give up.
...and just what do you hope to accomplish coming here and telling everyone we lost and to simply give up? I have kids, so I REFUSE to make it easy for the Democrats to wreck their lives.
It’s rare when an author’s photograph so accurately summarizes an article. :)
1972 - Nixon wins every Southern state plus Texas.
1976 - Georgia governor Jimmy Carter wins the South back against Gerald Ford, a very weak candidate, and against the political chaos of Watergate, three years of high inflation, a 400% oil price increase, severe gasoline shortages, and the collapse of Vietnam.
1980 and 1984 - Reagan wins every Southern state plus Texas in two elections, except Georgia, Carter's home state, which Reagan lost once, in 1980.
1988 - Bush wins every Southern state plus Texas.
1992 - Bush wins Texas plus more Southern states than the all-Southern boy Clinton-Gore ticket.
“Re: “You still need to revisit history. The South was SOLID DEMOCRAT until 20 years ago.”
1972 - Nixon wins every Southern state plus Texas.....”
You may not know how things operated in the South, but DEMOCRATS sure as hell ran Texas and EVERY OTHER Southern state FOR DECADES. While Republicans could usually win at the presidential level - this area was SINGLE PARTY DEMOCRAT RULE until only 20 years ago.
Whites in the South DID NOT vote 70-90 Republican, EVER, until LAST YEAR - at least not at any level below president. The idea that voting patterns will remain STAGNANT is TOTALLY DISPROVEN down here. You can count the elected white Democrats at the State House level and above on ONE HAND now. 20 years ago THEY RAN EVERYTHING.
You still HAVE NOT answered my question - WHAT DO WE DO NOW?
You seem to only say that we (collectively) screwed up and that you (and just about everyone else on this site) tried to stop the idiots running the Republican Party, but they wouldn’t listen.
So, WHAT DO WE DO NOW? If it’s simply give up, that’s not acceptable, not on this site. It’s usually considered trolling when someone tries to demoralize others on this site, although your earlier posts almost make me think you’re serious about throwing in the towel.
Bob,
This is a thread about presidential elections.
I’m talking about presidential elections.
And I lived the first 35 years of my life in North and South Carolina and Florida.
What do we do now?
We support presidential candidates who do not reward illegal immigrants, and who do not support massive LEGAL immigration.
If no such candidates step forward - and none have - then I plan to keep reminding my fellow Conservatives that a political catastrophe is very, very near.
“If no such candidates step forward - and none have - then I plan to keep reminding my fellow Conservatives that a political catastrophe is very, very near.”
I guess you can keep trying to DEMORALIZE FReepers here, essentially telling them to give up, since you already know that there will NEVER be the candidate you desire.
I’m just not sure the mods appreciate that attitude here.
The NYTs exit polling has it at 67% in 1972, and 64% in 1984.
Re: “I’m just not sure the mods appreciate that attitude here.”
Well, they have had 15 years to kick me out.
So far, not even a warning - most likely because I publish hard data and link my sources whenever I am seriously challenged.
My prediction - In November 2016, after a solid Democrat victory, you will be claiming that the Democrats cheated, or that perfectionist Conservatives like me stayed home.
My analysis of your politics - Either you are indifferent to immigration policy, or you quietly support the current level of massive LEGAL immigration.
At least twice in this thread I have posted - and agreed with - the 1984 (64%) number.
Gallup actually has 1972 at 68%.
Very easy to calculate if the 67% and 68% numbers are accurate - and they are not.
In 1972, 90%-91% of the voters were white.
In 1972, Nixon's certified vote total was 60.7%.
Gallup claims that only 13% of non-whites voted for Nixon, which would be the lowest number in modern history.
Multiple sources challenge that and claim that Nixon received about 18% of the Black vote and about 35% of the Hispanic vote.
If you plug in Gallup and NYT exit numbers, you do not get Nixon at 60.7%. You get Nixon at about 63%-64%.
Around 1980, exit poll takers started “norming” their numbers. In other words, they adjust their exit polls until they agree with the actual results.
If you want to claim that Nixon got 64%, that's possible, and I won't challenge you.
If you claim 67% or 68% like NYT and Gallup, the certified election results do not support that math.
I’ll go with the exit polling data, not your system.
Norm the data to the actual results.
If you reject “my system,” you reject all current exit data.
And, just so I understand...
Gallup says 13% of non-white voters voted for Nixon in 1972.
NYT says Blacks voted 18% for Nixon, and Hispanics voted 35% for Nixon.
And, neither Gallup or NYT published voter turn out by ethnicity, so we have no idea what base they were using, although it can be estimated.
Which of those data sets is correct?
Or, maybe both data sets are incorrect?
“Re: “I’m just not sure the mods appreciate that attitude here.” Well, they have had 15 years to kick me out.”
Maybe so, but I’ve been on DOZENS of threads on this site on immigration and have not run into you before, certainly not with the line you’re spouting about. And you sound more like a troll, trying non-stop to tell our side to HANG IT UP, IT’S OVER, more than anyone else I’ve dealt with. You can KEEP THIS UP on future thread, but I will not play with you as long, and the mods do have limitations on their patience.
“My analysis of your politics - Either you are indifferent to immigration policy, or you quietly support the current level of massive LEGAL immigration.”
So by supporting Cruz that means I support open borders, or at least unlimited immigration. I assume you feel the same way regarding Mr. Robinson as he supports Cruz to the same level, and I’ll be sure to tie him into the the thread that you start this crap on.
You aren’t very convincing, about anything, frankly.
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