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The Red Wave That Wasn’t
The American Conservative ^ | December 12, 2022 | Bradley Devlin

Posted on 12/13/2022 12:24:45 PM PST by absalom01

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To: jarwulf

“3. Trump, although it is a bit unfair to dump everything on him, isn’t exactly helping and shares responsibility as the supposed leader of Republicans over three disappointing elections.”

Cry me a river. You’re delusional. Trump increased his vote total by over 16,000,000 votes (more than any second election president in history). Trump got more votes by far than any Republican or Democrat president in history (except a basement dwelling, demented old retard who couldn’t draw a crowd of 50 people and insulted blacks every other week). Yet, somehow beat Obama in his prime in every black neighborhood in the country by over 30%.

Trump got a million more votes than DeSantis supposedly great election. I can hear your whine now, but it was presidential election (normally the difference is 500,000 votes between gov and pres, not over a million).

And of course you haven’t heard about the big tech suppression, full on media bias, FBI and Intel attempting a coup, Corrupt DOJ, and all the actually voter fraud evidence.

Your TDS is in overdrive.


21 posted on 12/13/2022 12:56:38 PM PST by BushCountry (A properly cast vote (1 day voting) can save you $3.00 a gallon.)
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To: napscoordinator

Thanks for regurgitating the propaganda narrative in the face of all evidence, you stooge.


22 posted on 12/13/2022 12:56:45 PM PST by servantoftheservant
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To: SubMareener

DITTO THAT!!!


23 posted on 12/13/2022 12:57:33 PM PST by Osage Orange
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To: napscoordinator

I am in Arizona. We had outstanding candidates. The election was stolen.


24 posted on 12/13/2022 12:58:50 PM PST by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR)
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To: napscoordinator
What "horrible" Gov candidate are you referring to?

And which NAPS CO...am I taking/posting to?

25 posted on 12/13/2022 1:00:02 PM PST by Osage Orange
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To: napscoordinator

“I wish that were true. They never would’ve lost if we had better candidates.”

We could have perfect candidates but after the media gets done with them, they’ll lose their appeal.

The democrats control all the major institutions that matter & there isn’t a damn thing we can do about it.


26 posted on 12/13/2022 1:00:40 PM PST by unclebankster (Globalism is the last refuge of a scoundrel)
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To: Trump.Deplorable

“Trump’s message of “sTolEn ElecTionS” won’t bring out voters, if elections are rigged, why bother voting?”

Now, that is a strange statement.

I heard Trump speak at four or five rallies. He did mention the stolen election for a few minutes out an over sixty minute speech, and he listed things that needed to be done and what he had planned to do in 2025.

Trump can’t campaign for the entire Republican Congress and so forth.

“We are party of conspiracy nuts and Q morons”

Seems that you and the MSM are on the same page with your talking points.

Also, I would like to point out that, since the vast majority of the voters say the country in on the wrong path, and evidently enough of them still voted democrat — well, that is not the fault of anyone except the voters. We have a stupid electorate. Look at Georgia and Pennsylvania.


27 posted on 12/13/2022 1:01:33 PM PST by odawg
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To: absalom01
One party offers gov. free sh*t cradle to grave + abortion on demand.

The other "asks" you to be responsible for your own life(and a life you might create).

Dems knew the yutes viewed THEIR vision more favorably(by far)...all they needed was an apparatus to get them (yutes) to actually "cast a ballot"(an alternative option to having to make the effort to actually go to the polling place, with an ID, and... VOTE....which is something dems hadn't (until 2018) been able to do with the yute vote).

They found the solution(harvesting, etc.), then the "never let it go to waste" crisis of covid, which opened up countless ways to (perhaps forever) game the system through absentee(laziness/lawlessness) for everyone.

That, along with the MAGA vs. GOPe internal strife/power struggle...

...that soured the stew enough to make many Rep. voters just say "why bother...tails they win, heads we lose".

....this isn't rocket science...it's manipulation/indoctrination vs. tradition.

Yutes have been manipulated/indoctrinated to view ANY/ALL tradition as...evil.

28 posted on 12/13/2022 1:03:00 PM PST by RckyRaCoCo (Please Pray For My Brother Ken.)
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To: Trump.Deplorable

We weren’t beat by the RATS this time. RINOs beat the Republicans in 2022. They ate the Red Wave. The Romenys, the Cheneys, Michael Steele, the Boltons, the Barrs, the Christies, the Moosekowskis, all of the “experts” on FNC, to name a few.


29 posted on 12/13/2022 1:05:25 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Hey Amerika! The whole world is watching and laughing their asses off. )
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To: RckyRaCoCo

All true.


30 posted on 12/13/2022 1:06:41 PM PST by absalom01 (You should do your duty in all things. You cannot do more, and you should never wish to do less.)
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To: absalom01

Fighting for what exactly? On the eve of the election is he doing anything to improve the all important GOP ground game? Probably the most effective shortterm tool we have available? Not just tweeting about it but actually do real things behind the scenes? Nope, the times he talks about it he just effectively encourages conservatives to only limit themselves to election day while leftists get weeks or months to vote.

Does he actually do anything effective against electoral fraud? Nope. He just tries the same old strategy that failed over and over to reach outside the GOP. He focuses too much on vague grand conspiracies he cannot offer enough evidence for to independents and simply yelling fraud and not enough on the indisputable banality of the vote harvesting etc occurring right in front of us. It simply doesn’t work as shown repeatedly. But he still returns to the same playbook every election.

Does he seem to put the party above himself? Nope, while the GOP is being bloodied his main concern is attacking not McConnell but DeSantis. He talks a big game about GOPe and the deep state but when you look at the people he surrounds himself with and chooses they are a lot more deep state than they are conservative.


31 posted on 12/13/2022 1:08:07 PM PST by jarwulf
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To: jarwulf

What are you expecting him to do against fraud? He’s not holding the reins of power thanks to said fraud.

Perhaps you’re saying it’s time to exchange the ballot box for the bullet box?


32 posted on 12/13/2022 1:11:20 PM PST by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: SubMareener

The elections WERE stolen. I wrote my senators and told them I’ll be registering as an independent this week because Republicans are STILL NOT ADDRESSING ELECTION FRAUD. Almost none of the pubs are even talking about it! There is no point in voting if elections aren’t made more honest. Burn it down mf’ers!


33 posted on 12/13/2022 1:11:45 PM PST by subterfuge (I'm a pure-blood!)
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To: SubMareener

The elections WERE stolen. I wrote my senators and told them I’ll be registering as an independent this week because Republicans are STILL NOT ADDRESSING ELECTION FRAUD. Almost none of the pubs are even talking about it! There is no point in voting if elections aren’t made more honest. Burn it down mf’ers!


34 posted on 12/13/2022 1:13:11 PM PST by subterfuge (I'm a pure-blood!)
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To: absalom01

There WAS a red wave tsunami

AND

A blue election/voter crime wave.


35 posted on 12/13/2022 1:13:12 PM PST by cuz1961 (USCGR Veteran )
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To: Trump.Deplorable

You’re saying election fraud didn’t happen last month?


36 posted on 12/13/2022 1:15:07 PM PST by subterfuge (I'm a pure-blood!)
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To: subterfuge

Can’t expect the Uniparty to address one of their latest tools for consolidating power, can you.


37 posted on 12/13/2022 1:16:00 PM PST by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: Trump.Deplorable
It was all a head fake

correct

Because we offered the voters nothing

Again, correct

We didn’t even have a ground game and whined about how the democrats were doing a way better job

Again, correct

Our message was non existent

Again, correct

Our senate leadership failed

Again, correct

Trump’s message of “sTolEn ElecTionS” won’t bring out voters, if elections are rigged, why bother voting?

could be

We didn’t encourage early voting, think about it, you can get way more voters through the voting machines quicker over 7 days vs 1 day, we could have had shorter lines, which would easily mean more voters on election day being counted. But we refuse to do this, why?

I disagree with early voting except in extreme circumstances and I don't think this is a valid criticism/scenario

We are party of conspiracy nuts and Q morons

not sure about this because many of the so-called "conspiracy theories" are turning out to be correct.

We poisoned ourselves with moderates, centrists, etc. They either don’t show up or vote for the D because they appear safer and more reasonable

I agree with this.

Our media sucks

This is an obvious truth

One more HUGE thing - we don't have anyone running for office that can succinctly state and argue the Conservative issues in a measured and reasonable manner. This is partially due to the terrible cultural climate we have fostered mostly thru the Internet/Cable News/Instant gratification/Tik-Tok/Facebook/Me me me me world.

Memes are not going to win real elections.

38 posted on 12/13/2022 1:16:17 PM PST by frogjerk (More people have died trusting the government than not trusting the government.)
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To: jarwulf

Trump is the only thing saving the GOP.


39 posted on 12/13/2022 1:16:40 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: napscoordinator

Ok. Got you down for “there was no election fraud, just bad candidates.”

Asinine.


40 posted on 12/13/2022 1:17:23 PM PST by subterfuge (I'm a pure-blood!)
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