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Faith of Our Fathers: Liberal Lies About Founders' Beliefs
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| October 13, 2003
| Dale Hurd
Posted on 10/13/2003 10:45:51 AM PDT by Between the Lines
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To: XRdsRev
I think I read too much into his quote. What threw me is that Prof. Barton was sloppy with the way he phrased it. He said more than half of the states in 1776 abolished slavery, then listed only six, and the way he said "four in the south," instead of all southern states or something similar, made me think he had switched in mid-sentence to a later time period.
You're right about Princeton, but, to be 100% accurate, it was called the College of New Jersey at the time. My screenname refers to Henry Lee II who, although a College of William & Mary man, sent his two oldest sons, "Light-Horse Harry" (Am. Rev. hero, governor of Va., U.S. Rep. from No. Va., and father of Robert E. Lee) and Charles (the second U.S. Attorney-General under Washington and Adams) to the College of N.J.
To: Between the Lines
So, you are saying that Liberals are anti Christian and Conservatives are the only true Christians?
What utter nonsense!
To: CobaltBlue
David Barton holds a Bachelor of Arts degree from Oral Roberts University and an Honorary Doctorate of Letters from Pensacola Christian College.
No bias there!
To: f.Christian
>The founding father's via the reformation established the ' secular ' state ... liberals via atheism - evolution --- has destroyed it ! I could say
exactly the same for the FR ...
it's happening !
It's your belief that
"atheist" "liberals" are
destroying FR [!]
with "evolution?"
Wow. I think you should put that
in a thread itself!
To: LittleJoe
So, you are saying that Liberals are anti Christian and Conservatives are the only true Christians?We all know that heaven is exclusive not inclusive.
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10/13/2003 1:55:20 PM PDT
by
Between the Lines
("What Goes Into the Mind Comes Out in a Life")
To: LittleJoe
No bias there!Of course it is bias. Does anyone check out where the articles come from anymore? The Christian Broadcasting Network. No one claimed it was non-bias.
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posted on
10/13/2003 1:58:25 PM PDT
by
Between the Lines
("What Goes Into the Mind Comes Out in a Life")
To: Between the Lines
The only places on the net that question Barton are all athiest or seperation of church and state sites. And even they do not claim that he has made any retractions. From his own website:
http://www.wallbuilders.com/resources/search/detail.php?ResourceID=20
The only reason that page exists is because he was publishing those quotes as accurate. If he hadn't been questioned so vociferously, he wouldn't have needed to own up to poor scholarship.
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10/13/2003 2:02:43 PM PDT
by
jess35
To: f.Christian
Dr Bradford's study is bogus. Any student of American history can see that at first glance.
He lists 25 members of the delegates as Episcopalian. This list is from 1787.
There were no Episcopalians in 1787. The Episcopal church was formed in 1789.
Reread American history. He leaves out Unitarians and short changes Deists and Catholics!
To: LittleJoe
Are you splitting hairs (( denomination )) ... to prove a falsehood (( liberalism - atheism )) --- this is done all the time on the evo threads !
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posted on
10/13/2003 4:00:49 PM PDT
by
f.Christian
(evolution vs intelligent design ... science3000 ... designeduniverse.com --- * architecture * !)
To: f.Christian
Truth is not splitting hairs.
Denomination is listed as proof in the study. Since we know that the denomination cited in the study did not exist at the time, we know that the study is bogus.
I find it interesting that a self proclaimed Christian, such as yourself, is so willing to abandon truth for your own vanity.
What you should be asking, if you really cared about truth:
What denomination, if any, were those twentyfive men?
Were any of the other listed denominations in error?
Does any of this really matter?
To: f.Christian
That would be Mel or Melvin or M.E. Bradford. But would all those Episcopalians (Anglicans might have been a better term) really have been Calvinists? Anglicans and Calvinists had fought each other in the English Civil War and there was no love lost between Anglican and Congregationalist or Presbyterian clergy in subsequent years.
Jefferson may have considered himself orthodox in his later years, but would most orthodox Protestant Christians have considered Jefferson one of their own? If you were a part of Jefferson's class and kin, formal Anglicanism (Episcopalianism) was the standard (Presbyterianism also might be acceptable), but the Unitarians claim Jefferson as one of their own.
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10/13/2003 4:42:03 PM PDT
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x
To: HenryLeeII
No disrespect intended, but a BA + an honorary doctorate does not a professor make.
To: x
Great link...I think the Jefferson Bible is a must read for anyone interested in Jefferson and Unitarian thought in early America.
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