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Ancient remains found in central Florida peat farm
Associated Press in Naples (FL) News ^ | October 13, 2003 | N/A

Posted on 10/13/2003 12:26:57 PM PDT by Bernard Marx

Associated Press

KENANSVILLE — When workers digging up peat at a former central Florida sod farm unearthed human remains with their backhoe, they called the police. But this was a cold case that authorities were unlikely to solve.

The bones found Thursday appeared to be those of a young man who died in his late teens or early 20s about 4,800 years ago, said Anthony Falsetti, an associate professor of anthropology at the University of Florida.

"It's quite significant because it ties into some earlier discoveries in the 1980s ... dating back to 8,000 years ago," Falsetti said Friday. "It continues to fill in the picture of early life ... in Florida."

The remains are being suspended in water at the lab, so they don't dry out and crumble into dust. Archaeologists will not photograph the bones, and he will not receive a nickname. Instead, the skeleton is designated as 10-B-03.

The Bureau of Archaeological Research in Tallahassee will survey the site where the remains were found for other signs of a past civilization. Animal bones designed in a decoration were also found with the remains discovered about 50 miles southeast of Orlando, Falsetti said.

After consulting with the two American Indian tribes of Florida, state archaeologist David Dickel said the bones were expected to be reburied in a private ceremony attended only by experts. There will be no marker, to thwart collectors and vandals.

"He lived in a simpler time with a simpler life, but this was no primitive," Dickel said. "Even though it's only bones, we think of it as a life."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: archaeology; clovis; florida; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; history; junkscience; kennewick; kennewickman; nativeamericans; oldbones; pc; preclovis; precolumbian
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To: Bernard Marx
There's no way to prove that the remains are culturally connnected to any modern tribes. This business of returning archaic-period Indian remains to modern tribes is PC run amuck. It's like returning remains of some Proto-Celt to modern Germans or Poles.
41 posted on 10/13/2003 2:04:20 PM PDT by Renfield
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To: Renfield
It's like returning remains of some Proto-Celt to modern Germans or Poles.

Right, it would be like that.

42 posted on 10/13/2003 2:06:11 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Law of the Excluded Middle)
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To: Bernard Marx

43 posted on 10/13/2003 2:07:01 PM PDT by blam
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To: Bernard Marx
Large sharks teeth were plentiful in the phosphate mining area east of Tampa, Florida. I once had a small collection.
44 posted on 10/13/2003 2:09:33 PM PDT by gatex
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To: Bernard Marx
That is the question of the day?

These PC people have been at PCing before it became mainstream. PC is the law of "new age" religion.
45 posted on 10/13/2003 2:12:57 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Renfield
This business of returning archaic-period Indian remains to modern tribes is PC run amuck.

Clearly. But these tribes want to keep their perks and New Age charisma as "native Americans." If they allow study of old bones someone might prove that Siberian Asians weren't here first. Thanks to Indian Casinos they also have potent political muscle -- did you follow their huge cash contributions in the CA governor's race?

46 posted on 10/13/2003 2:17:39 PM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: blam
Thanks for the map Blam. I hadn't realized there were so many. Do you have any info on underwater archaeology in the region? I imagine the coral would be a hindrance but this clearly is an area where water levels were much lower during the last ice age. Also, any new info on the underwater search near Cuba? I haven't seen anything for a while.
47 posted on 10/13/2003 2:25:36 PM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: Bernard Marx
I certainly did follow their cash contributions. This brings up an interesting point. Der Arnold says he won't raise taxes, but I heard him say, on the day following the election, that he was going to visit the issue of "Indian Casinos" as a source of more revenue (although he didn't phrase it exactly that way). I hope he puts the real squeeze on them, although I'm not holding my breath.
48 posted on 10/13/2003 2:36:54 PM PDT by Renfield
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To: Bernard Marx
That's yet another field that deserves more study. 13,000 years ago, at the height of Wisconsinian glaciation, the coastline of western Florida was about 90 miles west of present-day Tampa Bay. I often wonder what's buried under the waves.
49 posted on 10/13/2003 2:40:37 PM PDT by Renfield
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To: Renfield
Oil and lots of it.
50 posted on 10/13/2003 2:52:39 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Of course it doesn't rhyme. It's a tagline not a poem.)
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To: blam
Well we both know that there are giant sunken megalithic structures South of Florida, just off the western end of Cuba. I bet lot of "Atlantean" refugees made it to Florida.

Cherokees are a mixture of these refugees and Native American types. Heck, we have even have a mythic figure called Wotan. Probably the same as the European one. Both were considered culture bearers.

51 posted on 10/13/2003 2:52:59 PM PDT by Eternal_Bear
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To: Bernard Marx; Eternal_Bear; Renfield; glock rocks
"Do you have any info on underwater archaeology in the region? "

Sorry, no.

"Also, any new info on the underwater search near Cuba? I haven't seen anything for a while."

Linked below is the latest (2003) update

Update On Deep Water Megalithic Stones And Structures Near Western Cuba

52 posted on 10/13/2003 3:09:40 PM PDT by blam
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To: Eternal_Bear
Heck, we have even have a mythic figure called Wotan. Probably the same as the European one.

Absolutely! And the Northern Chyenne were decendants of the Phoenecians. I love reading all that stuff!

53 posted on 10/13/2003 3:12:24 PM PDT by johnny7 (Scratch the crust off a cow-pie and the stink comes out. It's true!)
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To: Eternal_Bear
I am Cherokee, Irish, and English. But I have never gotten too involved with the Cherokee part.
54 posted on 10/13/2003 3:16:18 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Of course it doesn't rhyme. It's a tagline not a poem.)
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To: RightWhale
Were they American Indian remains?

Sounds to me like they accidently came across Jimmy Hoffa.
Under the circumstances, I can't blame them for wanting to ditch the bones ASAP with minimal publicity.

55 posted on 10/13/2003 3:23:26 PM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: Renfield
"That's yet another field that deserves more study. 13,000 years ago, at the height of Wisconsinian glaciation, the coastline of western Florida was about 90 miles west of present-day Tampa Bay. I often wonder what's buried under the waves."

I have a theory that the Gulf Of Mexico was blocked off from the world's oceans across Yucatan, Cuba and Florida during the last Ice Age.
The Gulf Of Mexico would have dried up and essentially become a big lake. That's the only explanation I have for the underwater structures off the Cuban coast. They were built there on dry land during the Ice Age and were flooded 7-12,000 years ago when the 'dam' was broken...similar to the Black Sea flood in 5,600BC.
It could be a good site for Atlantis.(?)

56 posted on 10/13/2003 3:24:05 PM PDT by blam
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To: Lee'sGhost
I shoulda known somebody beat me to it.
I got to this thread waaaaaaaaaaay too late.
57 posted on 10/13/2003 3:25:38 PM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: johnny7; Bernard Marx; Renfield; Flurry; Eternal_Bear
"I love reading all that stuff!"

I think all of you will enjoy reading this, long but good.

Going Into The Water: A Survey Of Impact Events And The Coastal Peoples Of Southeast North America, The Carribean, And Central America.

58 posted on 10/13/2003 3:34:18 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

59 posted on 10/13/2003 3:40:31 PM PDT by blam
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To: Eternal_Bear
From the article linked in post #58

"Many in the anthropological community decry any suggestion of trans-Pacific or trans-Atlantic contact, as though the adoption by Native Americans of “foreign” technology would somehow take something away from them. The plain fact is that due to natural currents, both trans-Pacific and trans-Atlantic contacts were inevitable, if not by design, with certainty by accident. In the one century from 1775 to 1875 at least 20 Japanese junks were involuntarily driven by storms and currents to landing points from the Aleutian Islands to Mexico, an average of 1 watercraft every 5 years. (Robert Heine-Geldern, The Problem of Transpacific Influences in Mesoamerica, The Handbook of Middle American Indians, Volume 4, University of Texas Press, citing Brooks, 1875.) Further, in the last century some 600 African craft have washed up on the coast of South America, a rough average of 1 watercraft every 2 months. (John L. Sorenson and Martin H. Raish, Pre-Columbian Contact with the Americas Across the Oceans: An Annotated Bibliography, Vol II, p. 106, entry M-143)

60 posted on 10/13/2003 4:09:33 PM PDT by blam
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