Sen. Jay Rockefeller looked shocked: Hugh Hewitt on Democrat caught lying about Bush on TV

www.worldnetdaily.com ^ | October 15, 2003 | Hugh Hewitt

[RonDog]

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Sen. Jay Rockefeller looked shocked

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Posted: October 15, 2003
1:00 a.m. Eastern

© 2003 WorldNetDaily.com

He had expected to say anything he wanted and escape without challenge.

But Fox News Channel's Tony Snow had a different idea. Snow thought it might be interesting to stick to the facts for a change.

This Sunday past, Sen. Rockefeller took a play from the Terry McAuliffe playbook and simply invented a convenient history. He told Snow and a national television audience that President Bush has alarmed the nation with a speech warning that an attack from Iraq was imminent.

Snow coolly played a tape of the president's State of the Union speech where he in fact said exactly the opposite. Bush warned the Congress that the United States could not wait for a threat to become imminent, to appear suddenly and without warning.

Snow then read from a speech that Rockefeller himself had given, one in which the West Virginia Democrat had proclaimed the threat from Iraq to be imminent.

Sen. Rockefeller was exposed and embarrassed and babbled on incoherently about what an average American should have inferred from the president's speech. I think he was close to proclaiming psychic powers when the interview – mercifully for him – ended.

Finally, a Democratic critic of the president had been obliged to confront the facts. It doesn't happen too often. On the same day, Slow Joe Biden was allowed by Tim Russert to repeatedly dodge the hard questions such as why he had voted for the war in Iraq if it seemed like a bad idea to him now. Few can filibuster like Joe, however, and Russert didn't corner him.

The Democrats need cornering right now, especially on the Kay Report. It has become an intonation from the left that David Kay's catalog of horrors represents a huge setback for the administration when in fact it is an eye-opening and verdict-sealing litany of the many threats Saddam posed to the world.

The infrastructure and production of banned weapons is documented, as is the last minute rush to destroy the evidence and conceal the trail. The factually-minded, however, have all the evidence they need.

• Saddam routinely and thoroughly violated the U.N. resolutions.

• He routinely pursued and likely possessed a wide array of the world's deadliest weapons. His ambitions in this area were enormous.

• His regime would never have "evolved," and his brutal sons would have been even more dangerous than the father.

• Of 130 massive weapons depots, we have searched 10.

Even the summary of the report goes on at length with details of this sort.

Democrats and their allies in the media are attempting the biggest spin since Clinton's declaration of chastity toward Ms. Lewinsky. They are saying that David Kay has produced no proof of Saddam's threat. From that premise, they launch into attacks on the war in Iraq, even when those attacks, like Rockefeller's, depend on obvious lies.

It doesn't take much to expose this tactic and to demonstrate the agenda.

But it does take questioners willing to embarrass powerful Democrats, and it does take a press corps willing to read the reports that brave men and women have prepared.

The American voter will not be fooled by the double talk and posturing of Democrats eager to return to power by any means. But it remains alarming that elite media are so intent on assisting in their return that they will ignore and distort even chapter and verse on the evils of Saddam's regime.

Recall that late in 2002, Saddam produced a detailed report for the U.N. that purported to prove his compliance with all U.N. resolutions. Recall as well how closely reported the production of that report was, and how many thought the report combined with the return of inspectors to Iraq would protect Iraq from invasion.

David Kay has now conclusively given the lie to all the theatrics of late 2002 and early 2003, to the ego of Blix and the maneuvers of the French. There is overwhelming proof that all of the forces of appeasement then were wrong.

It is startling and shameful that instead of trumpeting this evidence of American justice and wisdom, Democrats are joining with European critics to question the predicate for the war.

Even if this turned out to be shrewd politics, it would still be reckless.

And it is likely to be the opposite of shrewd when Americans vote in 13 months.

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[Arthur Wildfire! March]

Go Tony Snow! Snow is normally an easy-going guy. I guess after enough exposure to liberal schemes, he got fed up.

[RonDog]

See also:

Hooray for Tony Snow
AndrewSullivan.com [Rockefeller snowed] ^ | October 13, 2003 | tony snow/ jay rockefeller
Posted on 10/13/2003 5:48 PM PDT by Roscoe Karns

Monday, October 13, 2003
Hooray for Tony Snow: On Fox News Sunday, Sen. Jay Rockefeller attacked President Bush for alleging that there was an imminent threat to the United States from Iraq.

Snow, then confronted the senator with a clip from this year's State of the Union address, where President Bush said:

Some have said we must not act until the threat is imminent. Since when have terrorists and tyrants announced their intentions, politely putting us on notice before they strike? If this threat is permitted to fully and suddenly emerge, all actions, all words, and all recriminations would come too late.

Rockefeller's response:

Rockefeller: Tony, if you listen to that as an average American person would, you, at least myself included, that is talking about the danger of an immediate attack. And in fact, the intelligence committee, the one thing they did not say was that there was, we were in danger of being attacked in this country.

Snow: I'm sorry. We've done a lot of research on this, and the president never said, and we've been looking for it, because a lot of you and your colleagues have said he talked about an imminent threat. And he never did. As a matter of fact, the key argument, was it not, that you can't wait for it to become an imminent threat because then it's too late.

Rockefeller: No. The argument, Tony, was based upon, I was there and I heard the speech, very close, and he was talking about weapons of mass destruction -- biological, chemical and nuclear -- and that was more or less signed off on by the intelligence community. Which raises a whole 'nother set of questions. And the whole problem was that there was a danger of attack. If the word "imminent threat" wasn't used, that was the predicate, that was the feeling that was given to the American people. And to the Congress whose vote the president clearly was trying to argue, or to convince during the course of that State of the Union message.

So, it doesn't matter what the president said, all that matters is that we (the American people and, apparently, much of the Senate) suffer from extremely poor comprehension skills. Yeah, he didn't say there was a threat was imminent, but he used the word, so we were confused.

Of course, Fox News' crack researchers didn't stop there. Rockefeller digs himself a deeper hole after Snow dug up an Oct. 10, 2002 speech by Rockefeller himself.

There has also been some debate over how "imminent" a threat Iraq poses. I do believe that Iraq poses an imminent threat, but I also believe that after September 11, the question is increasingly outdated. It is in the nature of these weapons, and the way they are targeted against civilian populations, that documented capability and demonstrated intent may be the only warning we get. To insist on further evidence could put some of our fellow Americans at risk. Can we afford to take that chance? We cannot!

Back to Snow:

Snow: What made you change your mind?

Rockefeller: That's correct. And that's what I felt at the time I cast that vote based upon the intelligence community's analysis of the situation. Particularly weapons of mass destruction. And what the president said in his speech. But the situation turns out not to have been quite like either the intelligence community or the president indicated. And that would be a vote that I would probably not make today based upon the revelations that there don't appear, at least to this point, to be any weapons of mass destruction. I've heard David Kay a number of times now. He has not indicated that. He's talking about perhaps they were all burned up or gotten rid of.

Work your mind around that one. Rockefeller didn't change his mind, but he did. But he didn't. But he was deceived. But it didn't matter. But... But....

That's more flip-flops than you'd see on a summer day at any San Diego beach.

But it gets better. Snow quotes again from the same Rockefeller speech.

But this isn't just a future threat. Saddam's existing biological and chemical weapons capabilities pose a very real threat to America now. Saddam has used chemical weapons before... He is working to develop delivery systems like missiles and unmanned aerial vehicles that could bring these deadly weapons against U.S. forces and U.S. facilities in the Middle East.

Well, at least that much is true, isn't it? Nope, Rockefeller continues the backpedaling.

Snow: And that, indeed, is what David Kay reported to Congress last week, is it not?

Rockefeller: No. It is not. David Kay did not report that degree of possibility at all to the Congress. And he actually was very clear in his public statements, forget his intelligence committee statements, he was very clear about that. He was not certain about it. He said we had a lot more work to do. It's going another six to nine months to find out if he had these weapons of mass destruction or not.

But as Andrew Sullivan pointed out after Kay made his first report to Congress and the public, it is 100 percent true.

From Sullivan's blog:

* A clandestine network of laboratories and safehouses within the Iraqi Intelligence Service that contained equipment subject to UN monitoring and suitable for continuing CBW research.

* A prison laboratory complex, possibly used in human testing of BW agents, that Iraqi officials working to prepare for UN inspections were explicitly ordered not to declare to the UN.

* Reference strains of biological organisms concealed in a scientist's home, one of which can be used to produce biological weapons.

* New research on BW-applicable agents, Brucella and Congo Crimean Hemorrhagic Fever (CCHF), and continuing work on ricin and aflatoxin were not declared to the UN.

* Documents and equipment, hidden in scientists' homes, that would have been useful in resuming uranium enrichment by centrifuge and electromagnetic isotope separation (EMIS).

* A line of UAVs not fully declared at an undeclared production facility and an admission that they had tested one of their declared UAVs out to a range of 500 km, 350 km beyond the permissible limit.

* Continuing covert capability to manufacture fuel propellant useful only for prohibited SCUD variant missiles, a capability that was maintained at least until the end of 2001 and that cooperating Iraqi scientists have said they were told to conceal from the UN.

* Plans and advanced design work for new long-range missiles with ranges up to at least 1000 km - well beyond the 150 km range limit imposed by the UN. Missiles of a 1000 km range would have allowed Iraq to threaten targets through out the Middle East, including Ankara, Cairo, and Abu Dhabi.

* Clandestine attempts between late-1999 and 2002 to obtain from North Korea technology related to 1,300 km range ballistic missiles --probably the No Dong -- 300 km range anti-ship cruise missiles, and other prohibited military equipment.

Snow is much too nice. Rockefeller is either a liar or an idiot. I'd bet on liar. Seriously, what else can be said about this man's statements?

There are issues here that can be debated, and then there are simple truths.

The simple truth is that Iraq's WMD capabilities were there and were hidden -- and that David Kay reported just that.

The simple truth is that Iraq was working on UAVs and missiles that could threaten his neighbors and U.S. forces in the region -- and David Kay reported just that.

To deny these facts and to attack the president based on that willful deceit is outrageous. Sen. Rockefeller is placing partisan politics above the security of the United States and the troops on the ground in Iraq.

*UPDATE* Fox News' official transcript can be found here...

CLICK HERE for the rest of that thread

[MEG33]

As I said on the Sullivan thread,Snow is the first to call someone on the lie on TV.Rockefeller lied so smoothly when he came out of the Kay briefing,I was stunned.Tony..you did yourself proud!

[RonDog]

Go Tony Snow!

Snow is normally an easy-going guy.
I guess after enough exposure to liberal schemes, he got fed up.

See also, from www.foxnews.com:

Tony Snow is the host of FOX News Sunday with Tony Snow, FOX Broadcasting Company's (FBC) Sunday morning public affairs program.  He also hosts Weekend Live with Tony Snow which airs Saturday and Sunday afternoon from 12-2 p.m. (ET) on FOX News Channel (FNC). Snow serves serves as an FNC political analyst and contributes to the network's political and election news coverage.  Snow joined the network in 1996.

FOX News Sunday with Tony Snow's weekly guest roster is one of the most diverse in Sunday morning talk, featuring an eclectic mix of exclusive interviews, politics & pop culture.  Over the past six years, Snow has interviewed numerous newsmakers, including National Security Advisor Condoleeza Rice; Secretary of State Colin Powell; Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld; Secretary of Homeland Security Tom Ridge; Sen. Minority Leader Tom Daschle (D-SD); Sen. Majority Leader Bill Frist, (R-TN), Sen. Barbara Boxer, (D-CA); Sen. Joseph Lieberman, (D-CT); Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf, and former Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

Before joining FOX News, Snow was a nationally syndicated columnist with The Detroit News from 1993 - 2001.  He was also a columnist for USA Today from 1994 - 2000. Earlier, he served as an editorial writer at The Virginian-Pilot in Norfolk, VA; editorial page editor of The Daily Press in Newport News, VA; deputy editorial page editor of The Detroit News; and editorial page editor of The Washington Times. Snow's career in journalism began in 1979 when he was an editorial writer for The Greensboro Record in North Carolina.

In 1991, Snow took a sabbatical from journalism to work in the White House for President George H. Bush.  He first served as the deputy assistant to the president for communications and director of speechwriting, and later as deputy assistant to the president for media affairs.

Snow earned his bachelor's degree in philosophy from Davidson College in Davidson, North Carolina.  A native of Cincinnati, Snow currently resides in Virginia with his wife, son, and two daughters.

 

[WilliamofCarmichael]

More of this! More of this! For the sake of our Republic confront the SOBs!

A growing number of patriot TV personalities are emerging. Counting O'Reilly and Snow that makes it two already.

Guys like Rockefeller may or may not be leftwing pig vomit but they are too self absorbed to realize that we have a free press today. Don't let 'em ever return us to the dark ages of the "Fairness Doctrine." I think that's a given! There will be blood ankle deep in the streets if the FD comes back, their blood.

Also, "Senator" the little people have google. Deal with it.

[tkathy]

Who votes for these millionaire morons anyway?

[RonDog]

"...Sen. Rockefeller was exposed and embarrassed and babbled on incoherently about what an average American should have inferred from the president's speech. I think he was close to proclaiming psychic powers when the interview – mercifully for him – ended.

Finally, a Democratic critic of the president had been obliged to confront the facts..." - Hugh Hewitt

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[RonDog]

Who votes for these millionaire morons anyway?

See also, from www.evote.com:

Jay Rockefeller (D-West Virginia)

Rockefeller has money and a famous last name, and West Virginia has a strong history of voting Democratic. However, Bush ended up carrying the state in November, further adding to suspicions that West Virginia is emerging as more of a swing

[RonDog]

Bush ended up carrying the state in November, further adding to suspicions that West Virginia is emerging as more of a swing...

That SHOULD HAVE been:

Bush ended up carrying the state in November, further adding to suspicions that West Virginia is emerging as more of a swing state.

[CROSSHIGHWAYMAN]

Who votes for these millionaire morons anyway?

Mind-numbed robot Democrats is who.

pathetic that West Virginia is so poorly represented in the Senate.

KKK and inbred rich boy.......where are the Chuck Yeager types?

HUH??

[Ed_in_NJ]

Go, Tony!

[conservatism_IS_compassion]

This Sunday past, Sen. Rockefeller took a play from the Terry McAuliffe playbook and simply invented a convenient history. He told Snow and a national television audience that President Bush has alarmed the nation with a speech warning that an attack from Iraq was imminent.

Snow coolly played a tape of the president's State of the Union speech where he in fact said exactly the opposite. Bush warned the Congress that the United States could not wait for a threat to become imminent, to appear suddenly and without warning.

Snow then read from a speech that Rockefeller himself had given, one in which the West Virginia Democrat had proclaimed the threat from Iraq to be imminent.

The rest of journalism (other than FNC) is patently willing to give their fellow Democrats a pass. But things might sound a little different when the Republicans open up that campaign kitty and do a little advertising . . .

[JohnHuang2]

Hugh Hewitt MEGA PING!!

[tkathy]

Term limits. Get career politicians back into the real world.

[ReleaseTheHounds]

A Democrat lying??? I'm shocked! Shocked!

[2timothy3.16]

Good post, made my morning, thanks.

[RushLake]

In the case of Rockefeller, its a bunch of dirt poor West Virginians. My wife's family is from there. I've visited several times. To me, one of the telling examples of life there is that you cannot walk into the average convenience store in the small towns and find a magazine rack that sells even TIME or Newsweek magazine let alone anything conservative. The best you can do is car mags. Every other road, bridge, kid is named for KKK Byrd. West Virginia became a state because the people there did not own a lot of slaves and did not support slavery; and they did not want to pay taxes and send soldiers to the aristocratic state government in Richmond which gave them nothing in return. In modern times, every other citizen displays a rebel flag on their home or car. Almost all own guns, almost all believe in fundamental Christianity, almost all abhor special rights for africanhyphenamericans, antiheterosexuals, and other "victim groups". Because democrat trash like Byrd and Rockefeller bring home the federal pork, the people blindly vote for them.

[grumple]

It is startling and shameful that instead of trumpeting this evidence of American justice and wisdom, Democrats are joining with European critics to question the predicate for the war.

That about says it all...

[Jimmy Valentine]

I saw this. Rockefeller looked like he had been tapped on the back of the head with a tire iron.

Tony Snow would not let him off the hook. Great television!

Regards,

[Jimmy Valentine]

When Rockefeller first ran for Senate, his campaign cost $10,000,000 and unheard of amount of money to be spent at that time, especially in West Virginia.

Regards,

[BillF]

Another take on one of your lying senators.

[ReleaseTheHounds]

Term limits. Get career politicians back into the real world.

This guy hasn't known the real world for his entire life... His grandfather must be spinning in his grave with all these liberal leaches being his progeny (sp?). All the great capitalist "creators of wealth" seem to have liberal/socialist or even communist heirs doing all they can to spit on the principles that their ancestors stood for. Jay Rockefeller is perhaps the poster-child for this curious tradition.

[Arrowhead1952]

Term limits. Get career politicians back into the real world.

There is not one single politician who could live under the laws they have passed. We are paying for their retirement. If they had to pay their retirement, and live under the laws they have imposed on us, many would be broke. I am 100% for term limits for all elected officials. Getting them to pass legislation proposing term limits would be hard enough, much less have a chance of passing.

[cyn]

Hi, RonDog -- thanks for your posts!

"The Democrats need cornering right now, especially on the Kay Report." -- he's got that right. I appreciate all the newly emerged media (thanks to FoxNews, WorldNet, NewsMax and . . . Free Republic?) who actually do homework and ask questions.

We are otherwise faced with a one-sided view of the world. I will never forget watching CSPAN, when Bob Barr made a reference to what it is like in "real America" and it being immediately, deliberately, and forever 'misunderstood' by House dims as "real Americans" without challenge, despite Bob's protestations at that time.

So, thank you, Tony, for your work; FoxNews -- stay healthy; Hugh -- I gotta go look at your book.

Terri & family -- you are in my prayers at this difficult time. FR keyword terrischiavo or http://www.terrisfight.org

[Iowa Granny]

Thanks for bring this to us. I'm sending it to a couple of the Doubting Thomases in my community.

[sauropod]

I happened to see this interview. JDRIV looked totally not credible by the end of the interview.

I loved it.

[sauropod]

Long see no time! Howrya doin?

[jmaroneps37]

Here's what's facing the rats next year,in the senate. On net, they will lose either 2 3 0r 4 seats ( pickups of SC NC GA FLA for sure; pickups of SD WASH maybe; pickup of Cal - now at least a possibility vs loses of Ill. and Penn.
That means that in the future we will see more of jerk rockerfeller. This is a good thing because he is nothing but a rich affable dunce. This is why we have not seen him on tv before. The rats know he can not be trusted to effectivly lie. He has even been known to throw out the fax and let the truth slip out. In an interview about the wilson/plame situation he slipped and referred to her as a
"potential" covert operative while chuckie was wringing his hands about the eeeevil W "outing" a "covert operative". Yes it will be fun listening to this affable dunce try to lie in the future.

[cyn]

Good morning! It is SO good to see you! I'm spending more time on FR for Terri, and am reminded of why I don't 'live' here anymore!

The situation surrounding Terri Schiavo is so evil -- I felt much the same way at Darby, seeing lives wrecked. Did you? or am I just overly sensitive?

[Havoc]

Tony Snow Bump!! I watched that interview and was howling when Snow stuck him. I'm sure the libs all think Fox is biased when Tony points out lies or Brit chuckles at the absurdity of Baghdad Bob. lol

[AnAmericanMother]

What on earth happened to the Rockefeller brains in three generations?

Did the men all marry pretty little idiot trophy wives?

(I will never understand how intelligent men who would reject a poorly bred horse or dog think that they can marry a dim-bulb woman and get smart kids.)

[Valin]

Of 130 massive weapons depots, we have searched 10.

I've heard that some of these re the size of Manhattan island.

On WMD. there was an e-mail posted here a couple of weeks ago from Iraq.
(I paraphrase)
It's like we're looking for a cup of coffee,
so far we've found
a coffee pot,
coffee filters,
coffee grounds,
a measuring spoon,
a coffee cup,
a spoon to stir the coffee,
water for coffee,
but so far no coffee.

[sauropod]

I felt the same.

[Cincinatus' Wife]

God help West Virginia. They need new senators. Come to think of it, most all of us do.

This interview was a classic. Good job by Tony Snow.

[Behind Liberal Lines]

bump 4 later

[bert]

The Senator was taken aback by what amounted to ruugh treatment. He was shown to be a liar, right on tv, where lots could see.

He doesn't give a damn tho......he's a Rockefeller and owns WVA in pardners with his perpetually lying colleague Byrd.

[maica]

You will enjoy this!

[MeekOneGOP]

Thanks ! Looks like Tony Snow did a number on this creep ! That was a great
article in your previous post too ... Hooray for Tony Snow!

I like Tony !! ...

[Let's Roll]

Boy are we behind the curve - not only are we supposed to keep track of exactly what our pols say but now we are even supposed to divine their meaning too.

It's obvious the Rockefeller money wasn't made by this generation.

[Saundra Duffy]

Good one!

[MeekOneGOP]

PS: It looks like it's gonna be a vicious Campaign 2004, doesn't it ?

The Dirty 'RATS trying to smear Bush on every front.

The ceaseless attempts by DUers signing up and planting their BS here!

ZOT! All the President's votes?

Excerpt:

A quiet revolution is taking place in US politics. By the time it's over, the integrity of elections will be in the unchallenged, unscrutinised control of a few large - and pro-Republican - corporations. Andrew Gumbel wonders if democracy in America can survive

Something very odd happened in the mid-term elections in Georgia last November. On the eve of the vote, opinion polls showed Roy Barnes, the incumbent Democratic governor, leading by between nine and 11 points. In a somewhat closer, keenly watched Senate race, polls indicated that Max Cleland, the popular Democrat up for re-election, was ahead by two to five points against his Republican challenger, Saxby Chambliss.

[samanella]

Jay can't even write a check! When he came to WV, the first time he ran for guv, he was a Republican against strip mining. DUH. Big loss. Second time he ran, he was a Democrat favoring unions, mountaintop removal mining, etc. Victory. And nearly bankrupted the poor state by creating more and more bureaucracies. The state is under the misguided assumption that he and Sen. Dementia bring jobs, but do not bring businesses. These morons need to be exposed for the jerks that they are.

[af_vet_1981]

Tony Snow and Brit Hume are leaders in the industry for fair and balanced reporting.

[cyn]

otoh -- they made the BEST burgers I've ever had. That plus the good company plus the lessons = well worth the trip

[Corporate Law]

Tony Snow, Princeton (H.S.) Viking bump.

[Grampa Dave]

This is great! The lying rats have never had their lies thrown back in their faces before the past year of so. This is why their Yellowcake Scams I and II failed to get any traction.

"This Sunday past, Sen. Rockefeller took a play from the Terry McAuliffe playbook and simply invented a convenient history. He told Snow and a national television audience that President Bush has alarmed the nation with a speech warning that an attack from Iraq was imminent.

Snow coolly played a tape of the president's State of the Union speech where he in fact said exactly the opposite. Bush warned the Congress that the United States could not wait for a threat to become imminent, to appear suddenly and without warning.

Snow then read from a speech that Rockefeller himself had given, one in which the West Virginia Democrat had proclaimed the threat from Iraq to be imminent.

Sen. Rockefeller was exposed and embarrassed and babbled on incoherently about what an average American should have inferred from the president's speech. I think he was close to proclaiming psychic powers when the interview – mercifully for him – ended." =============================================================

How many phoney conservatives on Free Republic tried to electronically lynch our president and members of the White House with their lies/scripts from the DNC about what President Bush didn't say.